Innocence of Muslims

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BY: Jake Neuman

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has called the movie, Innocence of Muslims, “disgusting and reprehensible”, “inflammable and despicable”?

Is that so? I guess it is. After watching the movie, I too found it disgusting, despicable, reprehensible and offensive. Although this is no academy award winning movie to say the least, the acts of Muhammad as seen in the movie are indeed horrifying. The only thing Clinton didn’t probably realize is that the movie, disgusting and horrifying as it is, is a rather a true portrayal of the life of Prophet Muhammad, a monster of history.

1)  The movie would arouse disgust for the way Muhammad is shown to murder Jewish chieftain Kinana of Khayber in front of his 17-year-old wife, then taking her as his sex-slave. But that was a fact as sacred Islamic texts tell us. In fact, Kinana was tortured by setting a fire on his chest to force him to reveal the location of the treasure under his care, and after the treasure was found, he was murdered by beheading. But in the movie, Muhammad’s cruelty is somewhat softened by simply showing Kinanah being killed by stab on the neck with a sword. Of course, Kinana’s beautiful young wife Safiyah taken to bed by Muhammad and raped on the same night. Here is the story (Sahi Buchari Hadith #143, page-700):

“Sulaiman Ibne Harb… Aannas Ibn Malek (ra) narrated, “in the war of Khayber after the inhabitants of Banu Nadir were surrendered, Allah’s apostle killed all the able/adult men, and he (prophet) took all women and children as captives… Among the captives Safiyya Bint Huyy Akhtab was taken by Allah’s Apostle as booty whom He married after freeing her and her freedom was her Mahr.”

For a man, believed to be the final and finest prophet of God by the world’s 1.6 billion Muslims, committing murder of a man in such barbaric manner and then raping the poor man’s wife on the same night is despicable and reprehensible indeed, probably more than that.

2)  The movie also shows the Prophet of Islam murdering a 120-year-old woman by tearing her apart by camels for daring to defy him. Nothing could be more disgusting and horrifying that this. But that’s what happened in reality as sacred Islamic texts inform us. Here’s the story from al-Tabari, VIII:96:

“A raiding party led by Zayd set out against Umm in Ramadan. During it, Umm suffered a cruel death. Zyad tied her legs with rope and then tied her between two camels until they split her in two. She was a very old woman. Then they brought Umm’s daughter and Abdallah to the Messenger. Umm’s daughter belonged to Salamah who had captured her. Muhammad asked Salamah for her, and Salamah gave her to him.”

3)  Mrs. Clinton should be commended for calling the movie disgusting, despicable, reprehensible and offensive, given it shows Prophet Muhammad lusting for his adopted son’s wife, and abolishing the noble tradition of adoption forever in Islam in order to marry her. The fact is: This is also what happened in reality, and that’s what should be deemed disgusting and horrifying. Here’s the story:

The name of Muhammad’s adopted son was Zayd bin Harithah, who, upon adoption by pagan Muhammad ca. 696 AD, became Zayd bin Muhammad. Zayd’s wife was Zaynab bint Jahsh. The Arabs regarded an adopted son as their son. Thus, sexual relations with the wife of someone’s adopted son was deemed incest and disgusting. However, when Muhammad took Zaynab as his wife, raising disgust and criticism amongst the Arabs, he came up with a solution to kill the criticism, at least within his own community, by banning the noble custom of adoption in Islam. So, he brought out the following verse (Quran 33:37):

“And when thou saidst unto him on whom Allah hath conferred favour and thou hast conferred favour: Keep thy wife to thyself, and fear Allah. And thou didst hide in thy mind that which Allah was to bring to light, and thou didst fear mankind whereas Allah hath a better right that thou shouldst fear Him. So when Zeyd had performed that necessary formality (of divorce) from her, We gave her unto thee in marriage, so that (henceforth) there may be no sin for believers in respect of wives of their adopted sons, when the latter have performed the necessary formality (of release) from them. The commandment of Allah must be fulfilled.”

In the verse, Islamic God states that this revelation is not to apply only to the case faced by Muhammad, but for the Muslim community at all times. Therefore, by bringing in this verse, Muhammad not only destroyed a very noble age-old Arab custom, but also legalized his lust for his daughter-in-law, which the Muslim society can practice for eternity. Disgusting indeed!

4)  The movie shows the prophet of Islam ordering Jews and Christians to convert to Islam or pay the jiza tax (extortion) or be murdered. And it should be called disgusting, despicable, reprehensible and offensive, because that is what happened in reality. This is what the Islamic God says about it in the Quran (9:29):

“Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.”

5)  The movie shows the prophet of Islam ordering his followers to murder kafir men, enslave their their women and children, sell the elderly women and children for horses, camels and arms for future war and use the younger captive women as sex-slaves. Nothing can be more disgusting, despicable, reprehensible and offensive than this. And the sad thing is: that is exactly what happened as sacred Islamic scriptures and texts inform us:

Quran 8:41: “And know that out of all the booty that ye may acquire (in war), a fifth share is assigned to Allah, – and to the Messenger, and to near relatives, orphans, the needy, and the wayfarer, – if ye do believe in Allah and in the revelation We sent down to Our servant on the Day of Testing, – the Day of the meeting of the two forces. For Allah hath power over all things.”

Quran 33:27: “And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, and of a land which ye had not frequented (before). And Allah has power over all things.” [Merciful Allah asked Prophet Muhammad to confiscate entire properties of surrendered Jews] (Banu Qurayza)

Quran 8:67: “It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise.”  (Allah insisting Prophet to kill all the prisoners, and should not keep any surrendered prisoners alive until He (Prophet) occupied entire Arabia.
Quran 8:17: “It is not ye who Slew them; it is God; when thou threwest a handful of dust, it was not Thy act, but God’s…..” (Allah said, the killing of surrendered soldiers were done by the wish of Allah)

There are many more things in the movie, shown to be committed by the prophet of Islam, will be found disgusting, despicable, reprehensible and offensive by civilized people. But the sad reality is also that those are no fictions if the Quran, hadiths and biographies of Prophet Muhammad, which have been held as the sacred texts of Islam by Muslims for the past 1400+ years, are to be believed in. And the movie should be deemed truly disgusting, despicable, reprehensible and offensive, because such horrifying atrocities and immoralities were committed by the prophet of Islam, thereby perpetuating in Islamic societies.

In sum: Yes, Hillary is correct. This movie is disgusting, despicable, and reprehensible. And despite poor production, Mrs Clinton and every American, inde
ed all civilized people of the world, should watch it and condemn the fact that Muhammad committed those barbaric atrocities and immoralities. Civilized people of the world must also unite in condemnation of the Muslim Brotherhood, Egyptian President Mursi, and the wider Muslim community for not condemning those horrible and immoral actions of their prophet. They should be condemned even more strongly for not only attacking the movie despite true portrayal of the life of Muhammad, but for inciting the Muslim masses for attacking American embassies and killing Americans, who had absolutely nothing to do with the making of the movie. It’s also unfortunate, if not disgusting, that President Obama and Hillary Clinton, as if in compliance with the Sharia Law, asked Google to review its policies regarding the movie, that is, telling Google to shut down the Youtube sites showing the movie, thereby violating the First Amendment of the US Constitution.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Devolution @ Sep. 18 2012,22:11)

BY: Jake Neuman Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has called the movie, Innocence of Muslims, “disgusting and reprehensible”, “inflammable and despicable”? Is that so? I guess it is. After watching the movie, I too found it disgusting, despicable, reprehensible and offensive. Although this is no academy award winning movie to say the least, the acts of Muhammad as seen in the movie are indeed horrifying. The only thing Clinton didn't probably realize is that the movie, disgusting and horrifying as it is, is a rather a true portrayal of the life of Prophet Muhammad, a monster of history. 1)  The movie would arouse disgust for the way Muhammad is shown to murder Jewish chieftain Kinana of Khayber in front of his 17-year-old wife, then taking her as his sex-slave. But that was a fact as sacred Islamic texts tell us. In fact, Kinana was tortured by setting a fire on his chest to force him to reveal the location of the treasure under his care, and after the treasure was found, he was murdered by beheading. But in the movie, Muhammad’s cruelty is somewhat softened by simply showing Kinanah being killed by stab on the neck with a sword. Of course, Kinana’s beautiful young wife Safiyah taken to bed by Muhammad and raped on the same night. Here is the story (Sahi Buchari Hadith #143, page-700): “Sulaiman Ibne Harb… Aannas Ibn Malek (ra) narrated, “in the war of Khayber after the inhabitants of Banu Nadir were surrendered, Allah’s apostle killed all the able/adult men, and he (prophet) took all women and children as captives… Among the captives Safiyya Bint Huyy Akhtab was taken by Allah’s Apostle as booty whom He married after freeing her and her freedom was her Mahr.” For a man, believed to be the final and finest prophet of God by the world’s 1.6 billion Muslims, committing murder of a man in such barbaric manner and then raping the poor man’s wife on the same night is despicable and reprehensible indeed, probably more than that. 2)  The movie also shows the Prophet of Islam murdering a 120-year-old woman by tearing her apart by camels for daring to defy him. Nothing could be more disgusting and horrifying that this. But that’s what happened in reality as sacred Islamic texts inform us. Here’s the story from al-Tabari, VIII:96: “A raiding party led by Zayd set out against Umm in Ramadan. During it, Umm suffered a cruel death. Zyad tied her legs with rope and then tied her between two camels until they split her in two. She was a very old woman. Then they brought Umm's daughter and Abdallah to the Messenger. Umm's daughter belonged to Salamah who had captured her. Muhammad asked Salamah for her, and Salamah gave her to him.” 3)  Mrs. Clinton should be commended for calling the movie disgusting, despicable, reprehensible and offensive, given it shows Prophet Muhammad lusting for his adopted son's wife, and abolishing the noble tradition of adoption forever in Islam in order to marry her. The fact is: This is also what happened in reality, and that’s what should be deemed disgusting and horrifying. Here’s the story: The name of Muhammad’s adopted son was Zayd bin Harithah, who, upon adoption by pagan Muhammad ca. 696 AD, became Zayd bin Muhammad. Zayd’s wife was Zaynab bint Jahsh. The Arabs regarded an adopted son as their son. Thus, sexual relations with the wife of someone’s adopted son was deemed incest and disgusting. However, when Muhammad took Zaynab as his wife, raising disgust and criticism amongst the Arabs, he came up with a solution to kill the criticism, at least within his own community, by banning the noble custom of adoption in Islam. So, he brought out the following verse (Quran 33:37): “And when thou saidst unto him on whom Allah hath conferred favour and thou hast conferred favour: Keep thy wife to thyself, and fear Allah. And thou didst hide in thy mind that which Allah was to bring to light, and thou didst fear mankind whereas Allah hath a better right that thou shouldst fear Him. So when Zeyd had performed that necessary formality (of divorce) from her, We gave her unto thee in marriage, so that (henceforth) there may be no sin for believers in respect of wives of their adopted sons, when the latter have performed the necessary formality (of release) from them. The commandment of Allah must be fulfilled.” In the verse, Islamic God states that this revelation is not to apply only to the case faced by Muhammad, but for the Muslim community at all times. Therefore, by bringing in this verse, Muhammad not only destroyed a very noble age-old Arab custom, but also legalized his lust for his daughter-in-law, which the Muslim society can practice for eternity. Disgusting indeed! 4)  The movie shows the prophet of Islam ordering Jews and Christians to convert to Islam or pay the jiza tax (extortion) or be murdered. And it should be called disgusting, despicable, reprehensible and offensive, because that is what happened in reality. This is what the Islamic God says about it in the Quran (9:29): “Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.” 5)  The movie shows the prophet of Islam ordering his followers to murder kafir men, enslave their their women and children, sell the elderly women and children for horses, camels and arms for future war and use the younger captive women as sex-slaves. Nothing can be more disgusting, despicable, reprehensible and offensive than this. And the sad thing is: that is exactly what happened as sacred Islamic scriptures and texts inform us: Quran 8:41: “And know that out of all the booty that ye may acquire (in war), a fifth share is assigned to Allah, – and to the Messenger, and to near relatives, orphans, the needy, and the wayfarer, – if ye do believe in Allah and in the revelation We sent down to Our servant on the Day of Testing, – the Day of the meeting of the two forces. For Allah hath power over all things.”    Quran 33:27: “And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, and of a land which ye had not frequented (before). And Allah has power over all things.” [Merciful Allah asked Prophet Muhammad to confiscate entire properties of surrendered Jews] (Banu Qurayza) Quran 8:67: “It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise.”  (Allah insisting Prophet to kill all the prisoners, and should not keep any surrendered prisoners alive until He (Prophet) occupied entire Arabia. Quran 8:17: “It is not ye who Slew them; it is God; when thou threwest a handful of dust, it was not Thy act, but God’s…..” (Allah said, the killing of surrendered soldiers were done by the wish of Allah) There are many more things in the movie, shown to be committed by the prophet of Islam, will be found disgusting, despicable, reprehensible and offensive by civilized people. But the sad reality is also that those are no fictions if the Quran, hadiths and biographies of Prophet Muhammad, which have been held as the sacred texts of Islam by Muslims for the past 1400+ years, are to be believed in. And the movie should be deemed truly disgusting, despicable, reprehensible and offensive, because such horrifying atrocities and immoralities were committed by t he prophet of Islam, thereby perpetuating in Islamic societies. In sum: Yes, Hillary is correct. This movie is disgusting, despicable, and reprehensible. And despite poor production, Mrs Clinton and every American, indeed all civilized people of the world, should watch it and condemn the fact that Muhammad committed those barbaric atrocities and immoralities. Civilized people of the world must also unite in condemnation of the Muslim Brotherhood, Egyptian President Mursi, and the wider Muslim community for not condemning those horrible and immoral actions of their prophet. They should be condemned even more strongly for not only attacking the movie despite true portrayal of the life of Muhammad, but for inciting the Muslim masses for attacking American embassies and killing Americans, who had absolutely nothing to do with the making of the movie. It’s also unfortunate, if not disgusting, that President Obama and Hillary Clinton, as if in compliance with the Sharia Law, asked Google to review its policies regarding the movie, that is, telling Google to shut down the Youtube sites showing the movie, thereby violating the First Amendment of the US Constitution.

You are a very ignorant person the movie is a completly misleading horrible piece of junk and you don't even know what you are talking about so now it is time to challenge you to a debate on Islam will you accept the challenge?

I will debate you on this Christian Forum and have no doubt that I will defeat you in your own element, do you accept the challenge If so I will set it up immediately.

Y are so ignorant about your own religion did you know in the crusades their was no “pay the “jiza” because the Christian Crusaders would simply KILL and behead all they captured, I am not trying to insult you but your grasp of facts can only be described as STUPID and there is no such thing as an “Islamic God” Did Abraham have a different God then Ishmael his son?

You should pray to God and then read what you are trying to judge in context: read

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 19 2012,12:44)

Quote (Devolution @ Sep. 18 2012,22:11) BY: Jake Neuman Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has called the movie, Innocence of Muslims, “disgusting and reprehensible”, “inflammable and despicable”? Is that so? I guess it is. After watching the movie, I too found it disgusting, despicable, reprehensible and offensive. Although this is no academy award winning movie to say the least, the acts of Muhammad as seen in the movie are indeed horrifying. The only thing Clinton didn't probably realize is that the movie, disgusting and horrifying as it is, is a rather a true portrayal of the life of Prophet Muhammad, a monster of history. 1)  The movie would arouse disgust for the way Muhammad is shown to murder Jewish chieftain Kinana of Khayber in front of his 17-year-old wife, then taking her as his sex-slave. But that was a fact as sacred Islamic texts tell us. In fact, Kinana was tortured by setting a fire on his chest to force him to reveal the location of the treasure under his care, and after the treasure was found, he was murdered by beheading. But in the movie, Muhammad’s cruelty is somewhat softened by simply showing Kinanah being killed by stab on the neck with a sword. Of course, Kinana’s beautiful young wife Safiyah taken to bed by Muhammad and raped on the same night. Here is the story (Sahi Buchari Hadith #143, page-700): “Sulaiman Ibne Harb… Aannas Ibn Malek (ra) narrated, “in the war of Khayber after the inhabitants of Banu Nadir were surrendered, Allah’s apostle killed all the able/adult men, and he (prophet) took all women and children as captives… Among the captives Safiyya Bint Huyy Akhtab was taken by Allah’s Apostle as booty whom He married after freeing her and her freedom was her Mahr.” For a man, believed to be the final and finest prophet of God by the world’s 1.6 billion Muslims, committing murder of a man in such barbaric manner and then raping the poor man’s wife on the same night is despicable and reprehensible indeed, probably more than that. 2)  The movie also shows the Prophet of Islam murdering a 120-year-old woman by tearing her apart by camels for daring to defy him. Nothing could be more disgusting and horrifying that this. But that’s what happened in reality as sacred Islamic texts inform us. Here’s the story from al-Tabari, VIII:96: “A raiding party led by Zayd set out against Umm in Ramadan. During it, Umm suffered a cruel death. Zyad tied her legs with rope and then tied her between two camels until they split her in two. She was a very old woman. Then they brought Umm's daughter and Abdallah to the Messenger. Umm's daughter belonged to Salamah who had captured her. Muhammad asked Salamah for her, and Salamah gave her to him.” 3)  Mrs. Clinton should be commended for calling the movie disgusting, despicable, reprehensible and offensive, given it shows Prophet Muhammad lusting for his adopted son's wife, and abolishing the noble tradition of adoption forever in Islam in order to marry her. The fact is: This is also what happened in reality, and that’s what should be deemed disgusting and horrifying. Here’s the story: The name of Muhammad’s adopted son was Zayd bin Harithah, who, upon adoption by pagan Muhammad ca. 696 AD, became Zayd bin Muhammad. Zayd’s wife was Zaynab bint Jahsh. The Arabs regarded an adopted son as their son. Thus, sexual relations with the wife of someone’s adopted son was deemed incest and disgusting. However, when Muhammad took Zaynab as his wife, raising disgust and criticism amongst the Arabs, he came up with a solution to kill the criticism, at least within his own community, by banning the noble custom of adoption in Islam. So, he brought out the following verse (Quran 33:37): “And when thou saidst unto him on whom Allah hath conferred favour and thou hast conferred favour: Keep thy wife to thyself, and fear Allah. And thou didst hide in thy mind that which Allah was to bring to light, and thou didst fear mankind whereas Allah hath a better right that thou shouldst fear Him. So when Zeyd had performed that necessary formality (of divorce) from her, We gave her unto thee in marriage, so that (henceforth) there may be no sin for believers in respect of wives of their adopted sons, when the latter have performed the necessary formality (of release) from them. The commandment of Allah must be fulfilled.” In the verse, Islamic God states that this revelation is not to apply only to the case faced by Muhammad, but for the Muslim community at all times. Therefore, by bringing in this verse, Muhammad not only destroyed a very noble age-old Arab custom, but also legalized his lust for his daughter-in-law, which the Muslim society can practice for eternity. Disgusting indeed! 4)  The movie shows the prophet of Islam ordering Jews and Christians to convert to Islam or pay the jiza tax (extortion) or be murdered. And it should be called disgusting, despicable, reprehensible and offensive, because that is what happened in reality. This is what the Islamic God says about it in the Quran (9:29): “Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.” 5)  The movie shows the prophet of Islam ordering his followers to murder kafir men, enslave their their women and children, sell the elderly women and children for horses, camels and arms for future war and use the younger captive women as sex-slaves. Nothing can be more disgusting, despicable, reprehensible and offensive than this. And the sad thing is: that is exactly what happened as sacred Islamic scriptures and texts inform us: Quran 8:41: “And know that out of all the booty that ye may acquire (in war), a fifth share is assigned to Allah, – and to the Messenger, and to near relatives, orphans, the needy, and the wayfarer, – if ye do believe in Allah and in the revelation We sent down to Our servant on the Day of Testing, – the Day of the meeting of the two forces. For Allah hath power over all things.”    Quran 33:27: “And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, and of a land which ye had not frequented (before). And Allah has power over all things.” [Merciful Allah asked Prophet Muhammad to confiscate entire properties of surrendered Jews] (Banu Qurayza) Quran 8:67: “It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise.”  (Allah insisting Prophet to kill all the prisoners, and should not keep any surrendered prisoners alive until He (Prophet) occupied entire Arabia. Quran 8:17: “It is not ye who Slew them; it is God; when thou threwest a handful of dust, it was not Thy act, but God’s…..” (Allah said, the killing of surrendered soldiers were done by the wish of Allah) There are many more things in the movie, shown to be committed by the prophet of Islam, will be found disgusting, despicable, reprehensible and offensive by civilized people. But the sad reality is also that those are no fictions if the Quran, hadiths and biographies of Prophet Muhammad, which have been held as the sacred texts of Islam by Muslims for the past 1400+ years, are to be believed in. And the movie should be deemed truly disgusting, despicable, reprehensible and offensive, because such horrifying atrocities and immoralities were committed by the prophet of Islam, thereby perpetuating in Islamic societies. In sum: Yes, Hillary is correct. This movie is disgusting, despicable, and reprehensible. And despite poor production, Mrs Clinton and every American, indeed all civilized people of the world, should watch it and condemn the fact that Muhammad committed those barbaric atrocities and immoralities. Civilized people of the world must also unite in condemnation of the Muslim Brotherhood, Egyptian President Mursi, and the wider Muslim community for not condemning those horrible and immoral actions of their prophet. They should be condemned even more strongly for not only attacking the movie despite true portrayal of the life of Muhammad, but for inciting the Muslim masses for attacking American embassies and killing Americans, who had absolutely nothing to do with the making of the movie. It’s also unfortunate, if not disgusting, that President Obama and Hillary Clinton, as if in compliance with the Sharia Law, asked Google to review its policies regarding the movie, that is, telling Google to shut down the Youtube sites showing the movie, thereby violating the First Amendment of the US Constitution. You are a very ignorant person the movie is a completly misleading horrible piece of junk and you don't even know what you are talking about so now it is time to challenge you to a debate on Islam will you accept the challenge? I will debate you on this Christian Forum and have no doubt that I will defeat you in your own element, do you accept the challenge If so I will set it up immediately. Y are so ignorant about your own religion did you know in the crusades their was no “pay the “jiza” because the Christian Crusaders would simply KILL and behead all they captured, I am not trying to insult you but your grasp of facts can only be described as STUPID and there is no such thing as an “Islamic God” Did Abraham have a different God then Ishmael his son? You should pray to God and then read what you are trying to judge in context: read

Debate you?

LOL, defeat me in my own element?
What, islam?
I am a Christian Bod!

You don't even realise that you just defeated yourself before we even began!!

The crusades were NOT sanctioned by the bible Bod!!
You need to go back to the drawing board and get a grip on real history before sprouting the skewered view of Islamic history.

I'm not interested in men who twist religions for themselves, Christian or Muslim, I'm interested in what is TAUGHT in said books.
My God teaches love, integrity, peace, mercy…
Yours teaches to lie, rape, kill, bribe, paedophilia, stealing etc etc etc etc….

The “Christians” involved in the crusades were RESPONDING to Islamic AGRESSION against pilgrims to the holy land…the crusades were NOT fought as a war against the Muslim cult called islam as a whole, but for the exclusive aim of securing safe passage to Jerusalem against barbaric muslims and for liberating Jerusalem from upsurpers.

Religions are man made organisations that benefit those at the top to manipulate those below.
Islam is no different with it's over 75 branches…by the way, your so called prophet said that there would ONLY be 75 branches of islam with only ONE the true islam!!
He got that WRONG too…there are MORE than 75 branches of Islamic “faiths”…the other “prophecy” he got wrong was the world would end way way back then…it did not!!
My God calls that a FALSE PROPHET.

“My religion” huh!?!
I am not Catholic, nor Baptist, nor Pentacostal, nor Lutheran etc etc etc etc…
I am not religious, I follow the written word of God, not the written dictates of men masquerading as men of God.
Another fail for you Bod!!

How can you debate me when your opening comments are already epic  fails?

I understand your cult enough to understand the obligation it burdens you with to LIE in its name.

My God is not so weak that He NEEDS His people to LIE lest His plans are foiled!!
as though His plans could be thwarted by mere men!!
What kind of “god” can be thwarted by this?
I will tell you….
Only A false god can…hence the command to LIE to the “infidels”…
So sad you can not see that is in actual fact the Muslims who are the true infidels…

I will be honest with you Bod.
My God teaches to love your enemies, if I ever came across you in peril, I WOULD help you even if you were obviously Muslim…
But your religion/cult….
My soul LOATHES its very existence to the core.
I have educated myself enough to identify the hand of Satan within those pages…
and I can never be fooled by any lie you are obligated to speak on its dark dark behalf.

There is nothing you can say that will EVER deceive me like you have willingly set out to deceive lesser educated on islam as I have WITNESSED you do…your LIES.

You quote, no compulsion in religion so self righteously, but I know Bod…I know the truth of YOUR INTENTIONAL LIE on this…it's called ABROGATION!! That “no compulsion in religion” has been SUPERCEDED by kill them if they do not SUBMIT to islam.

How can I debate with a liar?
Liars have zero honour/integrity..
And that encapsulates all of islams followers by their “prophets” commandment..”lie to the infidel”.

You simply can not be trusted as a man of your word..because your word is not your own, it is Muhammad's.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Devolution @ Oct. 10 2012,15:23)

Debate you? LOL, defeat me in my own element? What, islam? I am a Christian Bod! You don't even realise that you just defeated yourself before we even began!! The crusades were NOT sanctioned by the bible Bod!! You need to go back to the drawing board and get a grip on real history before sprouting the skewered view of Islamic history. I'm not interested in men who twist religions for themselves, Christian or Muslim, I'm interested in what is TAUGHT in said books. My God teaches love, integrity, peace, mercy… Yours teaches to lie, rape, kill, bribe, paedophilia, stealing etc etc etc etc…. The “Christians” involved in the crusades were RESPONDING to Islamic AGRESSION against pilgrims to the holy land…the crusades were NOT fought as a war against the Muslim cult called islam as a whole, but for the exclusive aim of securing safe passage to Jerusalem against barbaric muslims and for liberating Jerusalem from upsurpers. Religions are man made organisations that benefit those at the top to manipulate those below. Islam is no different with it's over 75 branches…by the way, your so called prophet said that there would ONLY be 75 branches of islam with only ONE the true islam!! He got that WRONG too…there are MORE than 75 branches of Islamic “faiths”…the other “prophecy” he got wrong was the world would end way way back then…it did not!! My God calls that a FALSE PROPHET. “My religion” huh!?! I am not Catholic, nor Baptist, nor Pentacostal, nor Lutheran etc etc etc etc… I am not religious, I follow the written word of God, not the written dictates of men masquerading as men of God. Another fail for you Bod!! How can you debate me when your opening comments are already epic  fails? I understand your cult enough to understand the obligation it burdens you with to LIE in its name. My God is not so weak that He NEEDS His people to LIE lest His plans are foiled!! as though His plans could be thwarted by mere men!! What kind of “god” can be thwarted by this? I will tell you…. Only A false god can…hence the command to LIE to the “infidels”… So sad you can not see that is in actual fact the Muslims who are the true infidels… I will be honest with you Bod. My God teaches to love your enemies, if I ever came across you in peril, I WOULD help you even if you were obviously Muslim… But your religion/cult…. My soul LOATHES its very existence to the core. I have educated myself enough to identify the hand of Satan within those pages… and I can never be fooled by any lie you are obligated to speak on its dark dark behalf. There is nothing you can say that will EVER deceive me like you have willingly set out to deceive lesser educated on islam as I have WITNESSED you do…your LIES. You quote, no compulsion in religion so self righteously, but I know Bod…I know the truth of YOUR INTENTIONAL LIE on this…it's called ABROGATION!! That “no compulsion in religion” has been SUPERCEDED by kill them if they do not SUBMIT to islam. How can I debate with a liar? Liars have zero honour/integrity.. And that encapsulates all of islams followers by their “prophets” commandment..”lie to the infidel”. You simply can not be trusted as a man of your word..because your word is not your own, it is Muhammad's.

Nice way to avoid a debate.

I won't defeat you in your own element the truth will defeat you in any element, God willing I will only give you the proper understanding for you to be the better informed even regarding your own beliefs.

Whatever you don't like you say the Bible doesn't condone and whatever you do like you say the Bible condones n other words you rewrite the bible daily.

Some of the stuff you wrote doesn't even make sense to me nor have I even heard of it because it is not in the QURAN at all there is no such mention of 75 branches of Islam in the QURARAN the QURAN says:

As for those who divide their religion and break up into sects, thou hast no part in them in the least: their affair is with Allah: He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did.
( سورة الأنعام , Al-Anaam, Chapter #6, Verse #159)

In regards to people lying for a good cause look in the Bible:

Joshua 2:4-5

New King James Version (NKJV)

4 Then the woman took the two men and hid them. So she said, “Yes, the men came to me, but I did not know where they were from. 5 And it happened as the gate was being shut, when it was dark, that the men went out. Where the men went I do not know; pursue them quickly, for you may overtake them.”

This was Rahab whom God honored do you now dishonor her, be careful before you judge her God has already approved of her.

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