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Hi,
Tim2 has laid his cards on the table.
INFERENCE is the basis of his belief.He said in another thread.
” it is the only possible inference from Scripture, because the Scripture testifies that three persons are God. “
True scriptural students wll know that this is not even approaching the standards required for forming doctrine and certainly not enough to condemn others who are rather more discreet in their dealings with this treasure.
Hi Is 1.18,
No.
'Number 1520
Transliteration:
heis {hice}
Word Origin:
(including the neuter [etc.] hen)
TDNT:
2:434,214
Part of Speech:
numeral
Usage in the KJV:
one 229, a 9, other 6, some 6, not tr 4, misc 17Total: 271
Definition:
oneJust giving me the definition for “one” proves nothing….one what? We are left to infer….are we not?
Where is it written that “God is one individual [person]”?
Hi Is 1.18,
The NT word used is very specific as meaning ONE.
In context
Mk 12
29″ And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is , Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:”Seems pretty clear too that we are not speaking of any pagan trinity of which he would have had to be member . He had the chance to say so but just said that God is ONE GOD
The OT from Deut 6
Number 259
Transliteration:
'echad {ekh-awd'}
Word Origin:
a numeral from 258
TWOT:
61
Part of Speech:
adjective
Usage in the KJV:
one 687, first 36, another 35, other 30, any 18, once 13, eleven 06240 13, every 10, certain 9, an 7, some 7, misc. 86Total: 951
Definition:
one (number)
one (number)
each, every
a certain
an (indefinite article)
only, once, once for all
one…another, the one…the other, one after another, one by one
first
eleven (in combination), eleventh (ordinalJust giving me the definition for “one” proves nothing….one what? We are left to infer, are we not?
Where is it written that “God is one individual [person]”?
Hi Is 1.18,
God is a person.
Heb 1
Hebrews 1:3
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:So what is the point you were making?
Hi Is 1.18,
There is no doubt Christ is a person too.
Matthew 27:24
When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.
2 Corinthians 2:10
To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ;But there is some doubt about the PROPOSED third member of the PROPOSED trinity as NO SCRIPTURES speak of the SPIRIT being a person.
Looks as though we will have to rely on INFERENCE again.
And that INFERENCE will have to be extended to the formation of a trinity as well as it is not written.
“person” is perhaps not the best English rendering for “hypostasis”:
G5287
ὑπόστασις
hupostasis
hoop-os'-tas-is
From a compound of G5259 and G2476; a setting under (support), that is, (figuratively) concretely essence, or abstractly assurance (objectively or subjectively): – confidence, confident, person, substance.The same word is translated “substance” in Hebrews 11:1, and the word in Hebrews 1:3 captures the same meaning…
I'm still left to surmise that your understanding of the “God is one” biblical expression is entirely inferential.
Hi Is 1.18,
You should perhaps infer from the statement by Jesus that “God is one” that he was not that God and that God is not a trinity?
But over to you as we do not need to teach from inference do we.NH,
Can you give us your understanding of John 1:1c“….and the Word was God”
What do you suppose John meant by this statement?
Hi Is 1.18,
Rather than working from suppositions why not find two supporting scriptures that preferably show Jesus is OUR God rather than the nonspecific word “God/god” and we can work from there.I'll ask again.
NH,
Can you give us your understanding of John 1:1c“….and the Word was God”
What do you suppose John meant by this statement?
Rev 5:3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
Rev 5:4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
Rev 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 21 2007,17:50) Hi Is 1.18,
There is no doubt Christ is a person too.
Matthew 27:24
When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.
2 Corinthians 2:10
To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ;But there is some doubt about the PROPOSED third member of the PROPOSED trinity as NO SCRIPTURES speak of the SPIRIT being a person.
Looks as though we will have to rely on INFERENCE again.
And that INFERENCE will have to be extended to the formation of a trinity as well as it is not written.
NHIs there a scripture that says the Father is a person?
Your point is a straw because there are many passages showing the Spirit is a person just as the Father and Yeshua.
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