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Hi Semmy,
1Tim 3 16
“By common confession, great is (A)the mystery of godliness:
He who was (B)revealed in the flesh,
Was ©vindicated in the Spirit,
(D)Seen by angels,
(E)Proclaimed among the nations,
(F)Believed on in the world,
(G)Taken up in glory”You wrote:
“Christ came to make the Father manifest to us.
Manifest is not incarnate. Manifest means to make God's purposes clear to us
and like trinity, triune, God the Son, the word incarnate is also NOT in the Bible.”I see Christ as a vessel for God to be fully manifested as in Christ as God's Spirit from the Jordan. Trintarians believe God came not
IN
but
AS
Christ from conception and that is what they call incarnation.Quote (Sammo @ May 16 2006,02:10) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 06 2006,04:02) learning from his earthly parents
HiIf Jesus really did exist before he was born at the start of the gospels (even if he wasn't God), then I think it's still pretty odd that he should learn from his parents.
Preexistence is closely linked with trinitarianism, and causes all sorts of problems.
Jesus did exist even before the creation of the heavens and the earth. He we the firstborn of all creatures. Col. 1:15
In the beginning the Father begat the Son, the Word. John 1. And the Father created all things by the Son and through the Son by the ministry of the Holy Spirit. And the Word, the Son, was with God. And the Word, the Son was God. The Father made the Son God over all of creation, giving the Son all the authority of the Godhead.3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Hebrews 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Hi,
If Jesus was God incarnate then what did he empty himself of before coming
and of what value was the anointing in power by the Spirit of God?
If God was in him
was he in himself?Quote (Sammo @ May 16 2006,18:09) Exactly – so both John and Jesus began to exist when they were conceived, right?
Sammo,Consider these scriptures,
God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; (Heb. 1:1-2)
And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was. (John 17:5)
How did God create the worlds through Jesus, and what glory did Jesus have with the Father, before the Worlds began?
Hi,
This is a popular misconception, that Jesus was God in Flesh.But in fact such teaching is of false prophecy and is antichrist
1Jn 4
“1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.2Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. “
2Jn
” 7For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. “Jesus is the Son of God.
He partook of flesh becoming just like unto us and only in the Jordan was he anointed and filled with the Spirit of God.
Hi,
Those who deny the Son of God and believe it was God who came in flesh at the birth of Jesus have difficulty explaining why God had to learn and never used any powers till the age of 30.Hi,
This false catholic doctrine, teaching that God came in the flesh, remains very popular among those who are in her daughters, those who think they have come out of her, but support her evil works.Quote Hi,
This false catholic doctrine, teaching that God came in the flesh, remains very popular among those who are in her daughters, those who think they have come out of her, but support her evil works.NH
The Word was not God Huh? Just throw this scripture out!
Jn 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.How does God cease to be God?
Lies!!!
Hi W,
I have never denied the divine origins of the Son of God.
But the one who was begotten of God and with God as another person or being had personal choices as beings do and chose submission and eventual death of self that God could ever live and rule through him.
We must follow him.Hi,
Is 1.18, mentioned this word. It is a catholic doctrine that says God and not His Son came in the flesh and it is very popular among the traditional churches but is quite false.John 1:1,14
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. …14And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us.Word was in the beginning, Word was God, Word became flesh.
Seems pretty clear cut to me.
Hey NH, can I ask you to explain to us exactly what you think John meant when he wrote: “and the Word was God“?
Blessings
Quote (Is 1:18 @ Mar. 26 2007,07:37) ….but why did John ascribe the word “theos” to the Logos?
Is 1:18Good luck on getting a straight answer on that one!
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