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Hi t,
The spirit gives life [Jas2].
the Holy Spirit gives eternal life[Jn7]Will is something else altogether.
Nick, Will or Spirit …
Take nothing away – Terra is correct in assertions made. Glory to Terra – Terra has the truth in Christ but Worship to God!nick
Holy spirit Gives lives”;you are totally right nick,the will or Spirit of God (Holy)because God is Holy,bring us with is plan to re conciliate all men through his son Jesus Christ by following Christ directions to obtain that live you will in deed receive the grace of God to eternal live,and if you now still alive this is your hope to obtain his grace for eternal live in the kingdom of God.Terra, the Holy Spirit is in you – May you continue so and have life in God through Christ.
Praise God and his Son for they are worthy says the angels. Worship God. Amen.JA
just see it this way;you put your faith in Christ,you put all the scriptures in your hearth so deep that it can not be removed so that the way of God and you are one ,now you practice all that knowledge you have acquired to the outside and inside acting all the time in harmony with Gods way.now i ask you the question is God and Christ will in you,is Christ spirit in you ,is God s spirit in you.
i would say yes to all the questionsTerra,
Thank you, may God continue to maintain his spirit in you through his [Only Begotten] Son.This morning when I woke (I'm in the Uk) I felt like I had had a revelation but I can't write it now.
I will write what I have been inspired to write. If it is wrong, may God forgive me but if true then Hallelluah!
So, later, then… In God's name and the name of Christ.
hi nick
this is your quote
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Hi JA,
Everyone loves their opinion but truth is written.truth is written ;well i see this way ;letters are written but truth is understood.
Ed J said:
Quote If you are one of the 'skilled', when I ask you to explain something, then why do you sometimes refuse to explain?
ED J,First, I did not say that I was one of the “skilled.” I was referring to WJ. I was also exhorting terraricca to put himself under skilled preaching and teaching by going to a gospel preaching church. Your reading comprehension problem is getting worse.
Second, I have already incdicated why I don't want to engage with you. I am not going to repeat myself.
thinker
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 16 2010,15:33) TT
i was talking about your story of the trinity.
you voluntary slide away wen it fit your views ,i am not the one who tell twist verses of the scriptures
it seems you like to place you self in the higher class of people ,;even Satan will disguise himself as a angel of light this means truth”
t,So you deny that Jesus Christ is the SOURCE of eternal salvation (Heb. 5:9). You deny that Jesus Christ is your “ONLY Master and Lord” (Jude4)?
thinker
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 16 2010,23:43) hi TT
i surely believe in the son of God ,it is you who do not believe in the son because you make him God with your trinity
t,The Father Himself said that the Son is God:
But to the Son He says:
“ Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. Hebrews 1:8You anti-christians claim that the Father is your God but you deny His own words regarding His Son.
thinker
TT
the father his the God with no beginning,Christ has a beginning,but you know that this is no news to you ,you like a argument for the purpose of what
?I have seen your responses and i have to admit that you have a good knowledge of the scriptures,
but use it for defending what and help who,??Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 19 2010,03:20) TT
the father his the God with no beginning,Christ has a beginning,but you know that this is no news to you ,you like a argument for the purpose of what?I have seen your responses and i have to admit that you have a good knowledge of the scriptures,
but use it for defending what and help who,??
t,You are here to argue too. So be honest!
There is no scripture which says that the Son was created. NOT ONE! You say that the Father is your God but you deny His testimony concernng His Son.
But to the Son He says:
“ Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. Hebrews 1:8I believe the Father' testimony. So He is my God. You deny the Father's testimony. So your claim that He is your God is a false claim.
thinker
TT,
How many called Jesus Lord, Master or some other general title? If Jesus is [a] God would that not be blasphemous – to debase [a] God.Who would stand in front of a judge and call the judge “Mr …”? They would be in contempt – and rightly so. No matter how awful the dispicable a person is they would always say “My Lord…”
The evil Spirits knew PRECISELY who Jesus was and they did not call him “God”.
The great saint – and Peter and Paul in particular, did not call Jesus “God” – why might that have been?
No onebut the authors of the abomination that is the “Athanasian Creed” attests to Jesus being “God” – and guess who instated it – The abomination who was the ruler of Rome and his followers.
Constantine did not understand Chritianity but believed enough to think that if he said he believed then he would be saved by this 'Awesome' Christian God. having two fighting factions of this new faith did not give his rulership any credit.
The best way to deal with this situation that was spiralling out of control under his rulership was to tackle it head-on. Embrace it and then Control it (if you want to get rid of an up-and-coming rivals product buy it and then shelve it…)
What better way to satisfy a unitarian god party and a trinitarian party – take one and decree and make it final – he chose the Arian creed that said that Jesus was not God – that was it – “What I have written I have written…” who was it who said this ? An other Roman?)
But when he died the Arian creed was deposed by Constantine's successor and the Athanasian Creed was instated with the addition of the Jesus being God and the Holy Spirit being God as well.But this then presented a problem as Everyone knows that there is only ONE God!!! How to resolve it – Ahah!!! Why not just say that ALL THREE are ONE. Yes, that's it. ut it doesn't make any sense – never mind “What I have written I have Written”.
The precedence that this sets is that you can now believe in multiple gods as long you then claim that they are ONE. Now it satisfies even Pagan religions – cool, eh – Rome wins evry which way round……….!
Many people get sentimental about Jesus because he was a 'good' peron and want to exalt him above his station through ignorance and weakness (Many people put their pets before their human offspring so there should be no surprise there!)
A common trinitarian attempt at discrediting [usually Jehovah's Witnesses] is to say something like:
“So you say that Jesus wasn't 'good' because only God is Good, right? So then Jesus must be Bad!! If he isn't good then he is bad – now what do you say?”This is an incredibly base level argument and shows deviousness in the trinitarian – how can you try credibly win an argument by deception unless it is your only way.
Who decided to add to the word “For there are three in heaven who testify:” with “God, Jesus and the Holy spirit, and these three are one”
Holy Shmoly, batman!! – they added it to the Bible – the word of God – Man, how desparate is that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!“Before Abraham was, I AM” – so this means Jesus is saying he is God? No, He was answering a question put to him by the Jews and was attesting to be pre-existent. say it again: “Before Abraham was, God”, “Before Abraham was, Jehovah”.
If Satan had stood before them and they said “Hey Satan, guy, you looking so devilishy cool in that bejewelled suit – how long you had it?” and he replied “Would you Adam-and-Eve-it [Beilieve] if I said 'Since before Adam and Eve'?”
What would they have said to him “You are God then – Wicked!” and Satan would smile and strut his stuff.
JustAskin said:
Quote The great saint – and Peter and Paul in particular, did not call Jesus “God” – why might that have been?
JA,You are deflecting from my point! I proved that the Father Himself called His Son by the name “God.” You didn't even address this point. Here it is again:
8 But to the Son He says:
“ Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.Did you answer this? No you didn't. Instead you pit Paul and Peter against the Father. But they are IN AGREEMENT with the Father.
Paul said that Jesus Christ is our “Great God and Savior”
13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, 14 who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works. Titus 2:13-14
Peter also said that Christ is God:
Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ: 2 Peter 1:1
There it is! Testimony from the Father Himself + Paul and Peter. Yet you would pit the apostles against the Father.
JustAskin:
Quote This is an incredibly base level argument and shows deviousness in the trinitarian
You have just charged the Father with being “devious.” May the Lord have mercy on you!It is a lot easier to accuse me and WJ of being “devious” then it is to disprove us.
thinker
TT, you are right – I have no answer to that.
I was checking to see if there were any quailfying verses but found none and when I can back I started on another train of thought.
My thought was that this looks spurious but everywhere said the same – a qualifier would have been good [for you] but I found none – I wrote “The testimony of one [verse] is a debatable testimony…” but then removed it.
The others that you quote- 2 Peter 1: please can you read through the other verses – What do they say – in EVERY instance it says “Lord” Jesus Christ – and further vs 16:says: “… he receive honor and glory from God the father” A God is Complete in himself – has no inout source = he can give out within himself and receive back within himself – Jesus is IN God so he can both give to his Son and receive back what he has given.
Jesus has an input source – What he receives from his father he also gives back – that mena he is not complete as he receives something that he did not have – even saying “All that the father has is mine” is only applicable because the Father GAVE it to him in the first place…Further down in 2 Peter 1:19 says “…Christ the Morning Star” Do you know that the Morning Star is eclipse by the Sun. Are teh Morning Star and the Sun equal? No way – only sentiment makes it so – feels like we dissing Jesus – It is Satan that makes people feel that way “Get thee behind me Satan!”.
Jesus deserves and earned honor, praise, wealth and Glory but he NEVER claimed to be God – Satan wanted to be [like] God and sinned – Should Jesus do the same – God's Plan never fails – or are we to await another Messiah – the real one this time who doesn't claim to be God but is humbly doing the WILL of God from the station that was appointed to him?If you worship two gods in one – to whom do you direct your worship at any one time and what if you forget to Worship one at any one time.
Pagans and Multi-Godists had stupid ideas about their multiple gods but Three-In-One (Sound like a cleaning product!) that not even the believers can explain is the daftest of all.
Worship God – and God Alone.
hi TT
you know that what you present is not true,
To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ: 2 Peter 1:1
if you read it properly it “by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ.you put all in one connection “God our Savior”
no need to ad Jesus Christ.the truth is not to choose and pick.
TT, what are you on tonight? Where have I charged the Father. I said “The Trinitarian” the person who did the deception in the name of his belief.
The trick is a silly argument that only unskilled children should fall for. The speaker deliberatley present two scenarios and claims they are the only two available. the hearer is drawn in by accepting the calim not realising the trick.If your arguments are solid there is no need for deception to get your point across – if you are stuck because you lack knowledge at one point say so – Satan is far cleverer than us and hats to lose an argument – it is all a game of chess to him now – he knows he has been 'Checked' and about to be 'Check mated' so he is throwing all his forces at teh opponent simply to wipe out as many as possible before he goes down (!!simples!!)
Trini to the JW: “Jesus is either God, a liar or a madman – You say he isn't God then he must be a liar or a madman (or both)”
Sentimentallity would win the argument for the Trini. Awarenes of the devilry in the argument would make the JW restate his own claim; “Claiming that jesus is not god does not make him a liar nor a madman – Jesus stated hisposition quite clearly: He is the son of God (“Peter who do say that I am?”)
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