- This topic is empty.
- Posts
Hi WJ,
THe Spirit is Given to Jesus and he gives that Spirit of God to his brothers.
Thus all are made one with God in Jesus.No silly trinity
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 14 2010,16:07) Hi WJ,
The KJV gives an odd rendering of the verse-try others and compare.
Your self justifying theologians would make such claims.
Form does not seem to include POWER
NHNo but the word “Equal” does!
God has form and Jesus had equal form therefore making him God!
As far as “self justifying theologians”, they are the ones that translated your Bible, so why don't you reject the scriptures?
WJ
Hi WJ,
Use of THEREFORE shows your reliance on weak logic rather than letting scripture confirm matters.I guess you will not allow yourself to be convinced of the folly of trinity while it puts food on the table.
There are not several GODS.
God is ONEQuote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 14 2010,16:37) Hi WJ,
Use of THEREFORE shows your reliance on weak logic rather than letting scripture confirm matters.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 14 2010,16:37) I guess you will not allow yourself to be convinced of the folly of trinity while it puts food on the table. There are not several GODS.
God is ONEQuote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 14 2010,16:37) I guess you will not allow yourself to be convinced of the folly of trinity while it puts food on the table.
Seriously Nick!You should get a tile for this devilish and satanic lie!
“You have been told more than once that I do not get any salary as a Pastor” and in fact I am studying for a Doctorate and not in full time ministry at this time.
How many tiles will you get for your purposeful slander?
Probably none, for it seems that you can say what you want without repercussion as a moderator. How Hypocritical.
These are the kind of tactics that you resort to when you cannot refute the truth!
You should oppologise for your lies against me!
WJ
Hi WJ,
Thanks for the clarification.
But why would you study the foolish words of men when the Word of God is alive and active?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 14 2010,16:54) Hi WJ,
Thanks for the clarification.
But why would you study the foolish words of men when the Word of God is alive and active?
How do you know what that word says!Can you read Hebrew and Greek?
If not then you have to either learn how or trust what you read as being true and if you do then why do you critisize those that commentate on them who know how to read Hebrew and Greek just as those who translated your Bible?
WJ
Hi WJ,
The Spirit of God teaches from God's word.
You only have to become like a child.The intellectuals and the famous of this world earn scant approval from God.
Nick said to WJ:
Quote Use of THEREFORE shows your reliance on weak logic rather than letting scripture confirm matters.
Paul used “therefore” over 100 times.thinker
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 15 2010,08:59) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 14 2010,16:54) Hi WJ,
Thanks for the clarification.
But why would you study the foolish words of men when the Word of God is alive and active?
How do you know what that word says!Can you read Hebrew and Greek?
If not then you have to either learn how or trust what you read as being true and if you do then why do you critisize those that commentate on them who know how to read Hebrew and Greek just as those who translated your Bible?
WJ
Nick can't even give a straight answer regarding Christ's statement that the Father would send the Holy Spirit “in MY name” (on MY authority).Nick knows that thousands of people read this board every week and he doesn't care how foolish and incompotent he looks.
thinker
hi all
translators are tools to translate words the fact that they translate the bible does not make them believers ,but there work is based on very good rules so that their work can be trusted,otherwise why should we use translators if we can not trust there work?So the fact that WJ,goes for is Doctorate does not mean he is a believer ,many people take out of books what they believe and they make it unique,like a book out of a book, that's how you can get an degree in doctorate.
in the worldQuote (terraricca @ Jan. 15 2010,10:01) hi all
translators are tools to translate words the fact that they translate the bible does not make them believers ,but there work is based on very good rules so that their work can be trusted,otherwise why should we use translators if we can not trust there work?So the fact that WJ,goes for is Doctorate does not mean he is a believer ,many people take out of books what they believe and they make it unique,like a book out of a book, that's how you can get an degree in doctorate.
in the world
t,WJ is a believer because he speaks by the Spirit of God. Jesus said that the Spirit glorifies Jesus (John 16).
thinker
Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 15 2010,05:36) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 15 2010,05:19) Hi TT,
So he has been GIVEN all authority by his greater God yet you would make him another God?
He was given back what He gave up of His own volition in the first place (Philippians 2).Now answer the main point of this thread please. Jesus said that the Father would send the Spirit “in MY name” (or MY authority).
thinker
Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 15 2010,04:14) Gene said: Quote There is no difference between Jesus and Ourselves , if we have the (same) Spirit of GOD in US ANATHEMA! Jesus is NOT the same as us. Though He had the same Spirit He had Him WITHOUT MEASURE!
John 3:34: For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
and,
Hebrews 1:9: You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”We have the Spirit in a much llesser degree than jesus did. So he is NOT just like us. Furthermore, if He was just like us then He would not be God's “ONLY begotten Son” now would He?
Gene's view that Jesus is just like us is a denial that He is God's ONLY begotten. If you do not believe that Jesus is God's ONLY begotten Son you are condemned. (John 3:18).
thinker
Hi Thinker,Please explain how this verse meshes with your presented logic that the “HolySpirit” cannot possibly (according to you) be Jesus' Father?
John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?
the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 15 2010,09:57) Hi TT,
What is it about Jesus being given full authority by his God you do not grasp?
So you now acknowledge that Jesus has FULL authority? You give only lip service to it. FULL authority is EQUAL authority or it's not FULL authority.Jesus acted on His Father's authority and the Father acted on Jesus' authority. Looks like EQUALITY to me.
thinker
ED J wrote:
Quote ohn 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?
the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.Pre-exaltation truths do not apply today. Private George Patton became General George Patton. Get my drift?
Jesus has the FULL ADMINISTRATIVE POWERS of the kingdom now.
thinker
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 14 2010,18:01) hi all
translators are tools to translate words the fact that they translate the bible does not make them believers ,but there work is based on very good rules so that their work can be trusted,otherwise why should we use translators if we can not trust there work?So the fact that WJ,goes for is Doctorate does not mean he is a believer ,many people take out of books what they believe and they make it unique,like a book out of a book, that's how you can get an degree in doctorate.
in the worldQuote (terraricca @ Jan. 14 2010,18:01) So the fact that WJ,goes for is Doctorate does not mean he is a believer ,many people take out of books what they believe and they make it unique,like a book out of a book, that's how you can get an degree in doctorate.
in the world
Circular reasoning, because if someone gets a Doctorate it doesn't disqualify him as a believer either, but in fact may sharpen his understanding of the scriptures!Do you really understand how many hours of study goes into getting a D.Min.?
WJ
hi WJ
in fact yes i do ,but there is not the question;2Pe 1:3 His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness,
2Pe 3:11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives
2Pe 3:12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat.
2Pe 3:13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness.
2Pe 3:14 So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with himwe make the decision, what to do with our lives, so this will be your decision not mine WJ ,
but i have not say that you are not a believer ,we all believe in something other wise live is impossible
terraricca said:
Quote hi WJ
in fact yes i do ,but there is not the question;2Pe 1:3 His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness,t,
Read it again. The “us” refers to the apostles and the “you” refers to Christians. Peter was saying that God had given “us” (the apostles) everything necessary.
2 Grace and peace be multiplied to you (christians) in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, 3 as His divine power has given to us (the apostles) all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us (the apostles) by glory and virtue,
The “us” who were “called” were the apostles. It was THEM who were equipped with all things necessary for the ministry. Common Christians such as yourself need the skills of the educated. Novices such as yourself and many others here are not really qualified to comment on scripture. The fact that you fail to distinguish from the first and second persons in the verse is an example of what I am saying.
Christians need WJ's expertise. You especially need it. You would show your wisdom by posting less and listening more.
thinker
hi TT
2Pe 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:
2Pe 1:2 Grace and peace be yours in abundance through the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.
see TT you wrong again,it is addressed to those who accept the message of Christ.
Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 15 2010,04:37) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 14 2010,11:02) Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 12 2010,21:12) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 12 2010,11:34) Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 12 2010,11:13) TO ALL: I don't need to take much space to show that when a person acts in another person's name it means that the person is acting on the authority of the other person. The works that Jesus did in the days of His flesh were in His Father's name. He plainly said so and He meant that He acted on Hs Father's authority.
The works that the apostles did in the book of Acts were “in the name of Jesus”, that is, on the authority of Jesus. This in itself does not prove that Jesus in His exalted condition had equal authority with the Father. But….
Jesus said that the Father would send the Holy Spirit in His name:
25 “These things I have spoken to you while being present with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send IN MY NAME, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. John 14:26
This is just another scripture that proves that Jesus enjoys a position of EQUALITY at the Father's right hand. For as Jesus acted in the Father's name and on His authority in the days He was a servant, so the Father acts in the name and the authority of the exalted Jesus. This CLEARLY infers Christ's equality with His Father.
So get out your magic wands and wave them over John 14:26 and say the words, “Abra cadabra!”, and the phrase “in my name” will will not mean that the Father sent the Spirit on Christ's authority. Just use your magic and the Usus Loquendi of the idiom “in my name” in John 14:26 will magically become an exception.
thinker
Hi thethinker:He is still acting in His Father's name. It is God who exalted him to his position as head of the church. He watches over the Word of God that he obeyed and that was spoken by God to humanity through him while on his ministry on earth to perform it.
When we obey him we are obeying God. There is only “One God”.
And it is He who sits on the throne:
Quote Rev 5:9 And they sang a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll, And to open its seals; For You were slain, And have redeemed us to God by Your blood Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,
Rev 5:10 And have made us [fn] kings [fn] and priests to our God; And we [fn] shall reign on the earth.”
Rev 5:11 Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands,
Rev 5:12 saying with a loud voice: “Worthy is the Lamb who was slain To receive power and riches and wisdom, And strength and honor and glory and blessing!”
Rev 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying: “Blessing and honor and glory and power [Be] to Him who sits on the throne, And to the Lamb, forever and everLove in Christ,
Marty
Hi Marty,You did not address my point at all.
thinker
HI thethinker:Yes, I addressed it, but what is the point? You will just keep going on and on without hearing what is being said.
Love in Christ,|
Marty
Marty,You did NOT address my point at all. You said that Christ is still acting in His Father''s name. But my point was that the Father sent the Spirit in Christ's name.
So be careful not to accuse me of not hearing you when you are being evasive or you have a reading comprehension problem.
Again I ask you: Jesus said that the Father would send the Spirit “in My name” i.e., “on My authority”. Quit with the song and dance and just give a direct answer to what Jesus said.
thinker
Hi thethinker:No man comes to the Father but by Jesus.
Not difficult to understand.
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.
