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Quote (theodorej @ Sep. 09 2008,03:34) Quote (kejonn @ Sep. 08 2008,12:43)
So, if God knows what you will do tomorrow, that path has already been determined. Thus, no free will.
Greetings KJ………God knows Iam a sinner and Iam weak…my free will dictates that I do not have to be…I can elect to live according his law..
Can you? Or is your free will merely an illusion?Eph 1:4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love
Eph 1:5 he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will,
Eph 1:6 to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved.Rom 8:28 And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose.
Rom 8:29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.
Rom 8:30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.Rom 9:10 And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac,
Rom 9:11 though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad–in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls–
Rom 9:12 she was told, “The older will serve the younger.”
Rom 9:13 As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”
Rom 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means!
Rom 9:15 For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”
Rom 9:16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.
Rom 9:17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.”
Rom 9:18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.
Rom 9:19 You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?”
Rom 9:20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?”
Rom 9:21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use?
Rom 9:22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,
Rom 9:23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory—2Ti 1:9 who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began
Act 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.
2Th 2:13 But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.
Rev 13:8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.
Hi KJ:
You ask:
Quote Rom 14:14 I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean. I agree with Paul's statement that nothing, (food) is unclean in itself, but if God says that some foods are unclean to us, his children, then it is unclean to us. If we eat something that and we believe that God has said that we should not eat it, it is not the food that defiles us since it passes through the digestive system and into the sewer. What defiles us is our disobedience to God's commandment.
To reiterate Jesus was answering a question that the pharisees asked regarding the disciples eating food without washing their hands. He did not refute God's dietary laws. If the Pharisee's had understood that he was doing that, they would have really had something on him.
Quote (942767 @ Sep. 09 2008,20:09) Hi KJ: You ask:
Quote Rom 14:14 I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean. I agree with Paul's statement that nothing, (food) is unclean in itself, but if God says that some foods are unclean to us, his children, then it is unclean to us.
So foods can be unclean and clean at the same time? Do tell.
Do you like shrimp? Lobster? Any type of shellfish? All unclean.
Quote If we eat something that and we believe that God has said that we should not eat it, it is not the food that defiles us since it passes through the digestive system and into the sewer. What defiles us is our disobedience to God's commandment. There's a difference? If the food is offensive to your god (as broccoli and liver are offensive to kids), then it is bad to eat, but not really bad?
Quote To reiterate Jesus was answering a question that the pharisees asked regarding the disciples eating food without washing their hands. Yes, but the author of GMark took this as meaning all food was clean. Take it up with him. Oops, he's dead, nevermind.
Quote He did not refute God's dietary laws. If the Pharisee's had understood that he was doing that, they would have really had something on him.
They had several things on him if Torah was still valid.Hi KJ:
You say:
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He did not refute God's dietary laws. If the Pharisee's had understood that he was doing that, they would have really had something on him.They had several things on him if Torah was still valid.
No, they tried to accuse him of sin just as you are trying to do, but they did not have anything on him. God raised Jesus from the dead and that means that he did not sin, and so it doesn't matter what you may think, and I have already showed you that he didn't refute the dietary laws.
Quote (942767 @ Sep. 10 2008,19:28) Hi KJ: You say:
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He did not refute God's dietary laws. If the Pharisee's had understood that he was doing that, they would have really had something on him.They had several things on him if Torah was still valid.
No, they tried to accuse him of sin just as you are trying to do, but they did not have anything on him.
That is what the writers would have you believe. Yet, he often broke sabbath. He was not an anointed priest so he had no excuse.
Quote God raised Jesus from the dead and that means that he did not sin, and so it doesn't matter what you may think, and I have already showed you that he didn't refute the dietary laws.
How did you show me he didn't refuter the dietary laws? The author of GMark says he did. Am I to believe you or the one who wrote GMark?Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead according to the bible. Does that mean Lazarus was sinless too?
Quote kejonn….”said”…..Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead according to the bible. Does that mean Lazarus was sinless too?
My necks hurting, I need an unpick, the one that should be first to rise from the dead, just was made in writings to rise Lazarus before he himself even died, to be first risen.
Act 26:23 That Christ should suffer, [and] that “he should be the first that should rise from the dead”, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.
Quote (charity @ Sep. 11 2008,15:02) Quote kejonn….”said”…..Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead according to the bible. Does that mean Lazarus was sinless too? My necks hurting, I need an unpick, the one that should be first to rise from the dead, just was made in writings to rise Lazarus before he himself even died, to be first risen.
Act 26:23 That Christ should suffer, [and] that “he should be the first that should rise from the dead”, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.
Hi Charity,
Lazarus was not the first risen.From Wiki:
There were a total of 9 people raised from the dead and then one time many were raised from the dead. I have listed who raised who from the dead and the references to each:1. Elijah
a. (1 Kings 17:17-22) Son of Zarephath widow
2. Elisha
a. (2 Kings 4:30-37) Son of Shunammite woman
b. (2 Kings 13:21) His bones raise up a dead man
3. Jesus
a. (John 11:38-44)- Lazarus raised after 4 days
b. (Luke 7:11-17) Widow's son raised during funeral
c. (Matt. 8:28-43, Mark 5:1-20, Luke 8:26-39) Jairus daughter
4. Jesus raised Himself
a. (Matt. 28:5-8, Mark 16:1-8, Luke 24:1-11, John 20:1-10) Jesus raised Himself
5. Many raised
a. (Matt. 27:52)- Many come out of the tombs
6. Paul
a. (Acts 20:7-12) Eutychus fell from the window
7. Peter
a. (Acts 9:36-42) Raised DorcasHow does your neck feel now?
Tim
Samual? AND IT SEEMS Jesus was risen
some what like… a figure that can walk thru walls
And Samual wasn't to impressed ABOUT BEING CALLED UP FROM THE DEAD? NOT GOOD NEWS FOR sAUL WHO DESIRED just to have a little chat with samualwiplash
neck brace..who said he said my work on earth is done
And saul to paul, pushing up against Him as the**** that he rise for proof?the insane mind cannot separate the flesh?
I am sorry, And I do not intend THIS to be offensive,
COMPARE THIS mental illusion TO Samuel BEING BROUGHT UP OUT OF THE GROUND, USING THE POWERS OF THE WOMAN WITCH,
AND only by THE WORD OF MOUTH (faith)?
REPETITION MAKES FamousQuote (kejonn @ Sep. 11 2008,14:26) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 10 2008,19:28) Hi KJ: You say:
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He did not refute God's dietary laws. If the Pharisee's had understood that he was doing that, they would have really had something on him.They had several things on him if Torah was still valid.
No, they tried to accuse him of sin just as you are trying to do, but they did not have anything on him.
That is what the writers would have you believe. Yet, he often broke sabbath. He was not an anointed priest so he had no excuse.
Quote God raised Jesus from the dead and that means that he did not sin, and so it doesn't matter what you may think, and I have already showed you that he didn't refute the dietary laws.
How did you show me he didn't refuter the dietary laws? The author of GMark says he did. Am I to believe you or the one who wrote GMark?Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead according to the bible. Does that mean Lazarus was sinless too?
Hi KJ:He is the ultimate High Priest who is at the right hand of God as mediator between men and God. I am sure that you can find the scripture in Hebrews for yourself.
And you can believe whatever you want but if you believe that Jesus committed sin, you will have believed a lie.
Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead to make the point that those believing in him will never die spiritually even if they die physically. Lazarus did not ascend into heaven from the physical death. He will be raised from the dead sinless when the Lord comes for the church.
Quote Jhn 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Jhn 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?Can anyone tell me who entered the words…. “that is to say”, . the below verse,
and is this taking advantage within translating a translation?KJV…Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Jesus doesn't deserve this?
why should we have to except such wives tails… as he said that he said?
charity,
I believe He was quoting the first line of Psalm 22, in doing so He was announcing to those watching that “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.” same as He did in Luke 4Psalm 22:1 My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Why are you so far from saving me, so far from the words of my groaning? 2 O my God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer, by night, and am not silent. 3 Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One; you are the praise of Israel. 4 In you our fathers put their trust; they trusted and you delivered them. 5 They cried to you and were saved; in you they trusted and were not disappointed. 6 But I am a worm and not a man, scorned by men and despised by the people. 7 All who see me mock me; they hurl insults, shaking their heads: 8 “He trusts in the LORD; let the LORD rescue him. Let him deliver him, since he delights in him.” 9 Yet you brought me out of the womb you made me trust in you even at my mother's breast. 10 From birth I was cast upon you from my mother's womb you have been my God. 11 Do not be far from me, for trouble is near and there is no one to help. 12 Many bulls surround me strong bulls of Bashan encircle me. 13 Roaring lions tearing their prey open their mouths wide against me.
14 I am poured out like water and all my bones are out of joint. My heart has turned to wax it has melted away within me. 15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth you lay me in the dust of death. 16 Dogs have surrounded me a band of evil men has encircled me they have pierced [c] my hands and my feet. 17 I can count all my bones people stare and gloat over me. 18 They divide my garments among them and cast lots for my clothing. 19 But you, O LORD, be not far off O my Strength, come quickly to help me. 20 Deliver my life from the sword my precious life from the power of the dogs. 21 Rescue me from the mouth of the lions save me from the horns of the wild oxen. 22 I will declare your name to my brothers in the congregation I will praise you. 23 You who fear the LORD, praise him! All you descendants of Jacob, honor him! Revere him, all you descendants of Israel! 24 For he has not despised or disdained the suffering of the afflicted one he has not hidden his face from him but has listened to his cry for help. 25 From you comes the theme of my praise in the great assembly before those who fear you will I fulfill my vows.
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