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Quote (kejonn @ Nov. 27 2007,02:33) Yes we are the same person. Stu is my third personality. CultBuster was my fourth. I have had many others but the medication is helping me to repress those. 
Kevin,
A couple things you have shared have sparked my interest to know more. I realize this is not the appropriate thread, and so perhaps you could cut and paste and move it to a more suitable thread? Here are my questions:
Quote The Jewish Messiah was never meant to be a spiritual savior.
What does this mean? What are you reading in th OT that leads you to believe this?Quote The Messiah put forward in the Tanach does not match what Yeshua did in his lifetime. From what I read of both New Testament and Tanach, I believe the Jewish Messiah will come on the scene when Yeshua returns.
In order to embrace this theology there needs to be mention of two separate Messiah's……is there in your opinion?Thanks,
MandyQuote (IM4Truth @ Nov. 26 2007,11:39) Quote (kejonn @ Nov. 27 2007,02:33) Quote (kenrch @ Nov. 26 2007,09:19) Quote If this is the sign of the Holy Spirit maybe you need to check your own life. The Holy Spirit would not make people so mean-spirited as you.
Some believe kejonn and Tow are the same person. Hum What difference does it make?Yes the word (scripture) judges OR didn't you know that!
2Jo 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist.
Do you believe Jesus IS the Messiah, kejonn?
Yes we are the same person. Stu is my third personality. CultBuster was my fourth. I have had many others but the medication is helping me to repress those.2 John 1:7 says nothing about Yeshua being the Jewish Messiah. “Christ” means anointed, it does not have to necessarily mean that Yeshua was the Jewish Messiah who delivers specifically the Jewish people and reunites them. Instead it can be easily concluded that Yeshua was sent to bring the rest of the world to a knowledge of YHWH.
I really do not care if you continue to talk poorly of me or not. You are not my father, not my boss, and not my God. I don't answer to you.
kejonn I would like to know for my benefit if you belief in Jesus being our Savior or not. Would you please answer me?Peace and Love Mrs.
Our savior, yes. Promised Jewish Messiah, not too sure. I am searching the Tanach to see what the difference is. Yeshua said scripture testified of him so it is the Tanach where he will be found.Quote (Not3in1 @ Nov. 26 2007,12:00) Kevin, A couple things you have shared have sparked my interest to know more. I realize this is not the appropriate thread, and so perhaps you could cut and paste and move it to a more suitable thread? Here are my questions:
Quote The Jewish Messiah was never meant to be a spiritual savior.
What does this mean? What are you reading in th OT that leads you to believe this?Quote The Messiah put forward in the Tanach does not match what Yeshua did in his lifetime. From what I read of both New Testament and Tanach, I believe the Jewish Messiah will come on the scene when Yeshua returns.
In order to embrace this theology there needs to be mention of two separate Messiah's……is there in your opinion?Thanks,
Mandy
Actually there were many messiahs in the Tanach. The Hebrew word is “mashiyach” according to Strong's. I know Tow and many Jews use the word “moshiach” which is just a different Hebrew spelling I suppose.“Messiah” means “anointed” just as “christ” does in Greek. So Yeshua can be a messiah but does that mean he is THE Messiah? It is really confusing sometimes.
I think both Jews and Christians have missed something. Not saying that I will find the answer but there isn't anything in the Tanach that says the Messiah (the final one) will die for sins. This would mean Is 53 could be about Yeshua without him being the final Messiah. The Jewish Messiah who will usher in world peace.
IMHO it appears that Yeshua came to first reach the Jews but then was offered to reach the Gentiles. His earthly ministry was to the Jews but his death and resurrection was for the Gentiles. That is so God could be reached by all people not just the children of Israel.
Quote (kejonn @ Nov. 27 2007,05:37) Quote (IM4Truth @ Nov. 26 2007,11:39) Quote (kejonn @ Nov. 27 2007,02:33) Quote (kenrch @ Nov. 26 2007,09:19) Quote If this is the sign of the Holy Spirit maybe you need to check your own life. The Holy Spirit would not make people so mean-spirited as you.
Some believe kejonn and Tow are the same person. Hum What difference does it make?Yes the word (scripture) judges OR didn't you know that!
2Jo 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist.
Do you believe Jesus IS the Messiah, kejonn?
Yes we are the same person. Stu is my third personality. CultBuster was my fourth. I have had many others but the medication is helping me to repress those.2 John 1:7 says nothing about Yeshua being the Jewish Messiah. “Christ” means anointed, it does not have to necessarily mean that Yeshua was the Jewish Messiah who delivers specifically the Jewish people and reunites them. Instead it can be easily concluded that Yeshua was sent to bring the rest of the world to a knowledge of YHWH.
I really do not care if you continue to talk poorly of me or not. You are not my father, not my boss, and not my God. I don't answer to you.
kejonn I would like to know for my benefit if you belief in Jesus being our Savior or not. Would you please answer me?Peace and Love Mrs.
Our savior, yes. Promised Jewish Messiah, not too sure. I am searching the Tanach to see what the difference is. Yeshua said scripture testified of him so it is the Tanach where he will be found.
I thought they were one in the same! Isn't that what makes an Christian? Isn't that the New covenant? Which jesus do you believe in kejonn?2Co 11:3 But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ.
2Co 11:4 For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough.1Ti 6:3 If anyone teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that accords with godliness,
Do you believe any of the above scriptures, kejonn?
Gal 1:6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel–
Gal 1:7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:10 For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ.Quote (kejonn @ Nov. 27 2007,05:55) The Jewish Messiah who will usher in world peace.
This concerns me.The NT specifically says that if someone says, “Hey, here is the Messiah….” don't go looking for him. It also says that peace will come during the reign of the anti-Christ. Goodness, if the true Jewish Messiah is yet to come, AND he is going to bring in peace……..isn't this what the NT warns against?
Quote (Not3in1 @ Nov. 27 2007,06:41) Quote (kejonn @ Nov. 27 2007,05:55) The Jewish Messiah who will usher in world peace.
This concerns me.The NT specifically says that if someone says, “Hey, here is the Messiah….” don't go looking for him. It also says that peace will come during the reign of the anti-Christ. Goodness, if the true Jewish Messiah is yet to come, AND he is going to bring in peace……..isn't this what the NT warns against?
1Th 5:1 Now concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need to have anything written to you.
1Th 5:2 For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.
1Th 5:3 While people are saying, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.Quote (Not3in1 @ Nov. 26 2007,13:41) Quote (kejonn @ Nov. 27 2007,05:55) The Jewish Messiah who will usher in world peace.
This concerns me.The NT specifically says that if someone says, “Hey, here is the Messiah….” don't go looking for him. It also says that peace will come during the reign of the anti-Christ. Goodness, if the true Jewish Messiah is yet to come, AND he is going to bring in peace……..isn't this what the NT warns against?
Yes there are many Jews who actually believe that the New Testament is actually calling the promised Messiah the anti-christ.Quote (kejonn @ Nov. 27 2007,02:33) Yes we are the same person. Stu is my third personality. CultBuster was my fourth. I have had many others but the medication is helping me to repress those.
Umm…are you really Stu, Cultbuster, and Tow, or were you joking?
Quote (kejonn @ Nov. 27 2007,02:33) Yes we are the same person. Stu is my third personality. CultBuster was my fourth. I have had many others but the medication is helping me to repress those.
OK, I can handle that.Just don't tell me that Kenrch is your 5th personality.
Or that you are 3 personalities in one being.Quote (kejonn @ Nov. 27 2007,05:55) I think both Jews and Christians have missed something. Not saying that I will find the answer but there isn't anything in the Tanach that says the Messiah (the final one) will die for sins. This would mean Is 53 could be about Yeshua without him being the final Messiah. The Jewish Messiah who will usher in world peace.
Whether you give the NT credit, there is a good reason as to why you won't find this and other things in the OT.1 Corinthians 2:8
None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.If everything was revealed in the OT, then we wouldn't need a NT and it would have given away way too much information.
God defeated evil with his foolishness. But it would have been foolish to reveal his plan to the enemy in detail.
Somethings are a mystery for a reason. In time mysteries become clear. Normally after the event.
Quote (t8 @ Nov. 27 2007,08:32) Quote (kejonn @ Nov. 27 2007,02:33) Yes we are the same person. Stu is my third personality. CultBuster was my fourth. I have had many others but the medication is helping me to repress those.
OK, I can handle that.Just don't tell me that Kenrch is your 5th personality.
Or that you are 3 personalities in one being.
t8Very funny.
But if he had three personalitys, he would still be one being wouldnt he?
Quote (t8 @ Nov. 27 2007,08:43) Quote (kejonn @ Nov. 27 2007,05:55) I think both Jews and Christians have missed something. Not saying that I will find the answer but there isn't anything in the Tanach that says the Messiah (the final one) will die for sins. This would mean Is 53 could be about Yeshua without him being the final Messiah. The Jewish Messiah who will usher in world peace.
Whether you give the NT credit, there is a good reason as to why you won't find this and other things in the OT.1 Corinthians 2:8
None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.If everything was revealed in the OT, then we wouldn't need a NT and it would have given away way too much information.
God defeated evil with his foolishness. But it would have been foolish to reveal his plan to the enemy in detail.
Somethings are a mystery for a reason. In time mysteries become clear. Normally after the event.
t8Good points!
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 27 2007,08:50) Quote (t8 @ Nov. 27 2007,08:32) Quote (kejonn @ Nov. 27 2007,02:33) Yes we are the same person. Stu is my third personality. CultBuster was my fourth. I have had many others but the medication is helping me to repress those.
OK, I can handle that.Just don't tell me that Kenrch is your 5th personality.
Or that you are 3 personalities in one being.
t8Very funny.
But if he had three personalitys, he would still be one being wouldnt he?
WJ is that you?Quote (t8 @ Nov. 27 2007,08:32) Quote (kejonn @ Nov. 27 2007,02:33) Yes we are the same person. Stu is my third personality. CultBuster was my fourth. I have had many others but the medication is helping me to repress those.
OK, I can handle that.Just don't tell me that Kenrch is your 5th personality.
Or that you are 3 personalities in one being.
How dare you attack me!!!!!! And put me down like that!Quote (charity @ Nov. 27 2007,09:09) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 27 2007,08:50) Quote (t8 @ Nov. 27 2007,08:32) Quote (kejonn @ Nov. 27 2007,02:33) Yes we are the same person. Stu is my third personality. CultBuster was my fourth. I have had many others but the medication is helping me to repress those.
OK, I can handle that.Just don't tell me that Kenrch is your 5th personality.
Or that you are 3 personalities in one being.
t8Very funny.
But if he had three personalitys, he would still be one being wouldnt he?
WJ is that you?
charityNo. This is the Spirit of God speaking.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 27 2007,08:50) Quote (t8 @ Nov. 27 2007,08:32) Quote (kejonn @ Nov. 27 2007,02:33) Yes we are the same person. Stu is my third personality. CultBuster was my fourth. I have had many others but the medication is helping me to repress those.
OK, I can handle that.Just don't tell me that Kenrch is your 5th personality.
Or that you are 3 personalities in one being.
t8Very funny.
But if he had three personalitys, he would still be one being wouldnt he?
Yes one being.But Jesus went to earth and God was in Heaven That is 2 beings. Or if Jesus is at God's right hand side, then we again have 2 beings.
Similarly if kejonn was in the USA and his other so-called ego went to New Zealand at the same time, we really have 2 beings don't we.
Nobody would accept that they were one being.
Quote (t8 @ Nov. 27 2007,12:40) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 27 2007,08:50) Quote (t8 @ Nov. 27 2007,08:32) Quote (kejonn @ Nov. 27 2007,02:33) Yes we are the same person. Stu is my third personality. CultBuster was my fourth. I have had many others but the medication is helping me to repress those.
OK, I can handle that.Just don't tell me that Kenrch is your 5th personality.
Or that you are 3 personalities in one being.
t8Very funny.
But if he had three personalitys, he would still be one being wouldnt he?
Yes one being.But Jesus went to earth and God was in Heaven That is 2 beings. Or if Jesus is at God's right hand side, then we again have 2 beings.
Similarly if kejonn was in the USA and his other so-called ego went to New Zealand at the same time, we really have 2 beings don't we.
Nobody would accept that they were one being.
t8As CB would say….
“Three for each one of the Godhead”.
OOPs I mean “Three, one for each one of the Godhead”.
I could see 9 coming back in my face!!!
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