If you reject the pope you reject paul

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 03 2009,14:10) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 03 2009,13:46) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 03 2009,12:46) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 03 2009,11:27) Hi BD, Paul did not mention any popes. They set up their own false church. The head Bishop is the Pope, Paul set up the office of Bishop but it doesn't even matter because Paul says that “sin” is not the fault of the person it is never them it is just the “sin in them” Hi BD: I believe that you are misunderstanding the Apostle Paul when he says: “it is no longer I but sin that dwells within me…”.  He knew what was right according the commandments that came trough the Law from God, but he is saying when he has yielded to the tempation, that sin becomes a part of his nature, but no, it is not saying that “the devil makes him do it”. The only remedy for that sin once one yields to the temptation and transgresses the Eternal Laws of God is the blood of Jesus which washes the slate clean when one repents of the sin, but until God forgives the transgression and washes it away that sin, it remains a part of that person's nature.  That is why when Sharia law cuts a thiefs hand off if he gets caught stealing does not change the person's heart.  He lost a hand but that does not change his heart.  He is still a thief. Love in Christ, Marty So, you are agreeing with Paul, It is the sin within the person. You suggest that if Jesus washes the sin away then it is okay to sin. Sharia Law is not Quranic Law so please don't confuse the issue. In the Quran the message is to be Merciful and Compassionate. Hi BD: Yes, I agree with the Apostle Paul.  When one transgresses God's Eternal law it is sin that dwells within that person until that sin is forgiven and washed away by the blood of Jesus. But no, I never said that it was ok to sin.  Of course, it isn't. And so, Sharia law is not Quranic?  I'll have to do a little research on this. Love in Christ, Marty

The only valid research you can do is to read the Quran itself with a pureheart.

[942767]

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Quote (942767 @ Aug. 04 2009,09:54) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 03 2009,14:10) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 03 2009,13:46) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 03 2009,12:46) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 03 2009,11:27) Hi BD, Paul did not mention any popes. They set up their own false church. The head Bishop is the Pope, Paul set up the office of Bishop but it doesn't even matter because Paul says that “sin” is not the fault of the person it is never them it is just the “sin in them” Hi BD: I believe that you are misunderstanding the Apostle Paul when he says: “it is no longer I but sin that dwells within me…”.  He knew what was right according the commandments that came trough the Law from God, but he is saying when he has yielded to the tempation, that sin becomes a part of his nature, but no, it is not saying that “the devil makes him do it”. The only remedy for that sin once one yields to the temptation and transgresses the Eternal Laws of God is the blood of Jesus which washes the slate clean when one repents of the sin, but until God forgives the transgression and washes it away that sin, it remains a part of that person's nature.  That is why when Sharia law cuts a thiefs hand off if he gets caught stealing does not change the person's heart.  He lost a hand but that does not change his heart.  He is still a thief. Love in Christ, Marty So, you are agreeing with Paul, It is the sin within the person. You suggest that if Jesus washes the sin away then it is okay to sin. Sharia Law is not Quranic Law so please don't confuse the issue. In the Quran the message is to be Merciful and Compassionate. Hi BD: Yes, I agree with the Apostle Paul.  When one transgresses God's Eternal law it is sin that dwells within that person until that sin is forgiven and washed away by the blood of Jesus. But no, I never said that it was ok to sin.  Of course, it isn't. And so, Sharia law is not Quranic?  I'll have to do a little research on this. Love in Christ, Marty The only valid research you can do is to read the Quran itself with a pureheart.

Hi BD:

Did Muhammad practice mercy and compassion?  What about the Sunnah?

I have already read the Quran with a pure heart.  There is much wisdom there which comes from the bible, but there are those false teachings that I have already discussed with you.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[bodhitharta]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 04 2009,16:26)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 04 2009,16:17) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 04 2009,09:54) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 03 2009,14:10) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 03 2009,13:46) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 03 2009,12:46) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 03 2009,11:27) Hi BD, Paul did not mention any popes. They set up their own false church. The head Bishop is the Pope, Paul set up the office of Bishop but it doesn't even matter because Paul says that “sin” is not the fault of the person it is never them it is just the “sin in them” Hi BD: I believe that you are misunderstanding the Apostle Paul when he says: “it is no longer I but sin that dwells within me…”.  He knew what was right according the commandments that came trough the Law from God, but he is saying when he has yielded to the tempation, that sin becomes a part of his nature, but no, it is not saying that “the devil makes him do it”. The only remedy for that sin once one yields to the temptation and transgresses the Eternal Laws of God is the blood of Jesus which washes the slate clean when one repents of the sin, but until God forgives the transgression and washes it away that sin, it remains a part of that person's nature.  That is why when Sharia law cuts a thiefs hand off if he gets caught stealing does not change the person's heart.  He lost a hand but that does not change his heart.  He is still a thief. Love in Christ, Marty So, you are agreeing with Paul, It is the sin within the person. You suggest that if Jesus washes the sin away then it is okay to sin. Sharia Law is not Quranic Law so please don't confuse the issue. In the Quran the message is to be Merciful and Compassionate. Hi BD: Yes, I agree with the Apostle Paul.  When one transgresses God's Eternal law it is sin that dwells within that person until that sin is forgiven and washed away by the blood of Jesus. But no, I never said that it was ok to sin.  Of course, it isn't. And so, Sharia law is not Quranic?  I'll have to do a little research on this. Love in Christ, Marty The only valid research you can do is to read the Quran itself with a pureheart. Hi BD: Did Muhammad practice mercy and compassion?  What about the Sunnah? I have already read the Quran with a pure heart.  There is much wisdom there which comes from the bible, but there are those false teachings that I have already discussed with you. Love in Christ, Marty

Yes, Muhammad practiced Compassion and Mercy famously.

You say you read the Quran, does that mean you have read it entirely or you have simply read a portion of it?

Why also do you say that there is wisdom that comes from the bible? I ask you, when you read the NT do you accuse those authors of plagarism too?

Need I remind you that the Bible unlike the Quran is a composition of many , many books it is in-fact a bibliography.

The Jews believe that all the Christian teachings are false too so how is your opinion any different about the revelations you dislike?

As far as the sunnah is concerned it has no bearing whatsoever on the Quran, if you want to know what God revealed to Muhammad through the Holy Angel Gabriel then read the Quran.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Pure heart?

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 04 2009,16:49)

Hi BD, Pure heart?

Only the pure at heart will see the kingdom of God

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
So you need the inner washing in the blood of the lamb?

[Cindy]

Quote (Cindy @ Aug. 04 2009,11:37)

THE OLD AND NEW COVENANT God made the first covenant with Noah. Gen. 6:17 And behold, I Myself am bringing of waters on the earth, to destroy from under the heaven all flesh in which is the breathe of life and everything that is on earth shall die. And I will make a covenant between Me and you and will multiply you exceedingly Verse 18 But I will establish My covenant with you… Covenant with Abraham. Gen. 17:2 And I will make my covenant between Me and you, and will multiply you exceedingly. Now we coming to what most say was the Old Covenant. And we are going to Exodus 24:2 And Moses alone shall come near the LORD, but they shall not come near nor shall the people go up with him. Exodus 31:16 Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throigh out their generations as a perpetual covenant. Exodus 34:27 When the LORD said to Moses, “Write these words, for according to the tenor of these words I have made a Covenant with you and with Israel.” Verse 28 So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights. He neither ate bread or drank water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant THE TEN COMMANDMENTS. Now we come to the New Covenant. Luke 22:20 Likewise He told the cup after saying: “THIS CUP IS THE NEW COVENANT IN MY BLOOD WHICH IS SHED FOR YOU.” Hebrew 7:12 For the priesthood being changed of necessity there is also a change of the law. Romans 3:28 THEREFORE WE CONCLUED THAT A MAN IS JUSTIFIED BY FAITH APART FROM THE DEEDS OF THE LAW. Romans 6:14  FOR SIN SHALL NOT HAVE DOMINON, FOR YOU ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW BUT UNDER GRACE. Paul understood that the new covenant would be hard to understand be he explains in Romans 14:1  Receive one who is weak in faith but not to disputes over doubtful things. Verse 2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. Verse 3 Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; For God has received him. Verse 5 ONE PERSON ESTEEMS ONE DAY ABOVE ANOTHER; ANOTHER ESTEEMS EVERYDAY ALIKE. LET EACH BE FULLY CONVINCED IN HIS OWN MIND. Verse 6 He who observes the day observes it to the LORD; And he who does not observes the day to the LORD he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the LORD, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the LORD he does not eat, and gives God thanks. Verse 7 For none of us lives to himself, and none dies to himself. Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified. Galatians 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. Verse 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that they might be justified by faith. Verse 25 But after faith has come we are no longer under a tutor. Verse 26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. Verse 27 For as many of you were baptised into Christ you have put on Christ. Galatians 5:18 But if you are lead by the spirit you are not under the law. Ephesians 2:18 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; that is the gift of God. Verse 9 Not of works unless anyone should boast. Philippians 3:9 And be found in him Christ, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness, which is from God by faith. Now I know that some of you might still keep the Sabbath, and I am not saying to you that you should not.  However, what I am saying to you, not to judge those that do not keep the Sabbath and want to keep another day or even every day alike to the LORD. Peace and Love Irene

I am so surprised that nobody, that nobody had no comment on this post. All of you understand what I have said in this post? That I find unusual. I do know that we have Sabbath keeper on this site, and you do believe this?
Peace and Love Irene

[Cindy]

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Quote (942767 @ Aug. 04 2009,16:26) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 04 2009,16:17) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 04 2009,09:54) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 03 2009,14:10) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 03 2009,13:46) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 03 2009,12:46) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 03 2009,11:27) Hi BD, Paul did not mention any popes. They set up their own false church. The head Bishop is the Pope, Paul set up the office of Bishop but it doesn't even matter because Paul says that “sin” is not the fault of the person it is never them it is just the “sin in them” Hi BD: I believe that you are misunderstanding the Apostle Paul when he says: “it is no longer I but sin that dwells within me…”.  He knew what was right according the commandments that came trough the Law from God, but he is saying when he has yielded to the tempation, that sin becomes a part of his nature, but no, it is not saying that “the devil makes him do it”. The only remedy for that sin once one yields to the temptation and transgresses the Eternal Laws of God is the blood of Jesus which washes the slate clean when one repents of the sin, but until God forgives the transgression and washes it away that sin, it remains a part of that person's nature.  That is why when Sharia law cuts a thiefs hand off if he gets caught stealing does not change the person's heart.  He lost a hand but that does not change his heart.  He is still a thief. Love in Christ, Marty So, you are agreeing with Paul, It is the sin within the person. You suggest that if Jesus washes the sin away then it is okay to sin. Sharia Law is not Quranic Law so please don't confuse the issue. In the Quran the message is to be Merciful and Compassionate. Hi BD: Yes, I agree with the Apostle Paul.  When one transgresses God's Eternal law it is sin that dwells within that person until that sin is forgiven and washed away by the blood of Jesus. But no, I never said that it was ok to sin.  Of course, it isn't. And so, Sharia law is not Quranic?  I'll have to do a little research on this. Love in Christ, Marty The only valid research you can do is to read the Quran itself with a pureheart. Hi BD: Did Muhammad practice mercy and compassion?  What about the Sunnah? I have already read the Quran with a pure heart.  There is much wisdom there which comes from the bible, but there are those false teachings that I have already discussed with you. Love in Christ, Marty Yes, Muhammad practiced Compassion and Mercy famously. You say you read the Quran, does that mean you have read it entirely or you have simply read a portion of it? Why also do you say that there is wisdom that comes from the bible? I ask you, when you read the NT do you accuse those authors of plagarism too? Need I remind you that the Bible unlike the Quran is a composition of many , many books it is in-fact a bibliography. The Jews believe that all the Christian teachings are false too so how is your opinion any different about the revelations you dislike? As far as the sunnah is concerned it has no bearing whatsoever on the Quran, if you want to know what God revealed to Muhammad through the Holy Angel Gabriel then read the Quran.

The Quran is a violent Book. When we went to the Baptist Church, because our Son and some of our Grandchildren go there, He read us out of the Quran to show us how violent it was. So what are you telling others to read it? The Jewish People were punished heavily because of their belief, and their punishment was over in 1914 when in 1948 they became a nation again. And IMO their Generation will not pass away til all will be fulfilled.
Peace and Love Irene

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Quote (Cindy @ Aug. 04 2009,22:23)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 04 2009,16:42) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 04 2009,16:26) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 04 2009,16:17) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 04 2009,09:54) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 03 2009,14:10) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 03 2009,13:46) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 03 2009,12:46) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 03 2009,11:27) Hi BD, Paul did not mention any popes. They set up their own false church. The head Bishop is the Pope, Paul set up the office of Bishop but it doesn't even matter because Paul says that “sin” is not the fault of the person it is never them it is just the “sin in them” Hi BD: I believe that you are misunderstanding the Apostle Paul when he says: “it is no longer I but sin that dwells within me…”.  He knew what was right according the commandments that came trough the Law from God, but he is saying when he has yielded to the tempation, that sin becomes a part of his nature, but no, it is not saying that “the devil makes him do it”. The only remedy for that sin once one yields to the temptation and transgresses the Eternal Laws of God is the blood of Jesus which washes the slate clean when one repents of the sin, but until God forgives the transgression and washes it away that sin, it remains a part of that person's nature.  That is why when Sharia law cuts a thiefs hand off if he gets caught stealing does not change the person's heart.  He lost a hand but that does not change his heart.  He is still a thief. Love in Christ, Marty So, you are agreeing with Paul, It is the sin within the person. You suggest that if Jesus washes the sin away then it is okay to sin. Sharia Law is not Quranic Law so please don't confuse the issue. In the Quran the message is to be Merciful and Compassionate. Hi BD: Yes, I agree with the Apostle Paul.  When one transgresses God's Eternal law it is sin that dwells within that person until that sin is forgiven and washed away by the blood of Jesus. But no, I never said that it was ok to sin.  Of course, it isn't. And so, Sharia law is not Quranic?  I'll have to do a little research on this. Love in Christ, Marty The only valid research you can do is to read the Quran itself with a pureheart. Hi BD: Did Muhammad practice mercy and compassion?  What about the Sunnah? I have already read the Quran with a pure heart.  There is much wisdom there which comes from the bible, but there are those false teachings that I have already discussed with you. Love in Christ, Marty Yes, Muhammad practiced Compassion and Mercy famously. You say you read the Quran, does that mean you have read it entirely or you have simply read a portion of it? Why also do you say that there is wisdom that comes from the bible? I ask you, when you read the NT do you accuse those authors of plagarism too? Need I remind you that the Bible unlike the Quran is a composition of many , many books it is in-fact a bibliography. The Jews believe that all the Christian teachings are false too so how is your opinion any different about the revelations you dislike? As far as the sunnah is concerned it has no bearing whatsoever on the Quran, if you want to know what God revealed to Muhammad through the Holy Angel Gabriel then read the Quran. The Quran is a violent Book.  When we went to the Baptist Church, because our Son and some of our Grandchildren go there, He read us out of the Quran to show us how violent it was.  So what are you telling others to read it? The Jewish People were punished heavily because of their belief, and their punishment was over in 1914 when in 1948 they became a nation again.  And IMO their Generation will not pass away til all will be fulfilled. Peace and Love Irene

Picking selections out of the Quran to try to create an image of a violent book is not difficult, Look:

Deuteronomy 3:5-7 (New King James Version)
5 All these cities were fortified with high walls, gates, and bars, besides a great many rural towns. 6 And we utterly destroyed them, as we did to Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children of every city. 7 But all the livestock and the spoil of the cities we took as booty for ourselves.

Genesis 34
25 Now it came to pass on the third day, when they were in pain, that two of the sons of Jacob, Simeon and Levi, Dinah’s brothers, each took his sword and came boldly upon the city and killed all the males.

Judges 20:5-7 (New King James Version)
5 And the men of Gibeah rose against me, and surrounded the house at night because of me. They intended to kill me, but instead they ravished my concubine so that she died. 6 So I took hold of my concubine, cut her in pieces, and sent her throughout all the territory of the inheritance of Israel, because they committed lewdness and outrage in Israel.

Now what were you saying about violence?

Also, what makes you believe that God is always non-violent? Are you of those who believe God does not really punish anyone and there is no real hell or punishment for evil doers?

Do I need to really share with you more biblical stories

Even Jesus whipped men and knocked over tables.

Why don't you read the Quran yourself and when you do you will come back hear with tears in your eyes full of repentence realizing you were rejecting the words of God and was unaware of it.

[Cindy]

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Quote (Cindy @ Aug. 04 2009,22:23) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 04 2009,16:42) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 04 2009,16:26) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 04 2009,16:17) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 04 2009,09:54) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 03 2009,14:10) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 03 2009,13:46) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 03 2009,12:46) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 03 2009,11:27) Hi BD, Paul did not mention any popes. They set up their own false church. The head Bishop is the Pope, Paul set up the office of Bishop but it doesn't even matter because Paul says that “sin” is not the fault of the person it is never them it is just the “sin in them” Hi BD: I believe that you are misunderstanding the Apostle Paul when he says: “it is no longer I but sin that dwells within me…”.  He knew what was right according the commandments that came trough the Law from God, but he is saying when he has yielded to the tempation, that sin becomes a part of his nature, but no, it is not saying that “the devil makes him do it”. The only remedy for that sin once one yields to the temptation and transgresses the Eternal Laws of God is the blood of Jesus which washes the slate clean when one repents of the sin, but until God forgives the transgression and washes it away that sin, it remains a part of that person's nature.  That is why when Sharia law cuts a thiefs hand off if he gets caught stealing does not change the person's heart.  He lost a hand but that does not change his heart.  He is still a thief. Love in Christ, Marty So, you are agreeing with Paul, It is the sin within the person. You suggest that if Jesus washes the sin away then it is okay to sin. Sharia Law is not Quranic Law so please don't confuse the issue. In the Quran the message is to be Merciful and Compassionate. Hi BD: Yes, I agree with the Apostle Paul.  When one transgresses God's Eternal law it is sin that dwells within that person until that sin is forgiven and washed away by the blood of Jesus. But no, I never said that it was ok to sin.  Of course, it isn't. And so, Sharia law is not Quranic?  I'll have to do a little research on this. Love in Christ, Marty The only valid research you can do is to read the Quran itself with a pureheart. Hi BD: Did Muhammad practice mercy and compassion?  What about the Sunnah? I have already read the Quran with a pure heart.  There is much wisdom there which comes from the bible, but there are those false teachings that I have already discussed with you. Love in Christ, Marty Yes, Muhammad practiced Compassion and Mercy famously. You say you read the Quran, does that mean you have read it entirely or you have simply read a portion of it? Why also do you say that there is wisdom that comes from the bible? I ask you, when you read the NT do you accuse those authors of plagarism too? Need I remind you that the Bible unlike the Quran is a composition of many , many books it is in-fact a bibliography. The Jews believe that all the Christian teachings are false too so how is your opinion any different about the revelations you dislike? As far as the sunnah is concerned it has no bearing whatsoever on the Quran, if you want to know what God revealed to Muhammad through the Holy Angel Gabriel then read the Quran. The Quran is a violent Book.  When we went to the Baptist Church, because our Son and some of our Grandchildren go there, He read us out of the Quran to show us how violent it was.  So what are you telling others to read it? The Jewish People were punished heavily because of their belief, and their punishment was over in 1914 when in 1948 they became a nation again.  And IMO their Generation will not pass away til all will be fulfilled. Peace and Love Irene Picking selections out of the Quran to try to create an image of a violent book is not difficult, Look: Deuteronomy 3:5-7 (New King James Version) 5 All these cities were fortified with high walls, gates, and bars, besides a great many rural towns. 6 And we utterly destroyed them, as we did to Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children of every city. 7 But all the livestock and the spoil of the cities we took as booty for ourselves. Genesis 34 25 Now it came to pass on the third day, when they were in pain, that two of the sons of Jacob, Simeon and Levi, Dinah’s brothers, each took his sword and came boldly upon the city and killed all the males. Judges 20:5-7 (New King James Version) 5 And the men of Gibeah rose against me, and surrounded the house at night because of me. They intended to kill me, but instead they ravished my concubine so that she died. 6 So I took hold of my concubine, cut her in pieces, and sent her throughout all the territory of the inheritance of Israel, because they committed lewdness and outrage in Israel. Now what were you saying about violence? Also, what makes you believe that God is always non-violent? Are you of those who believe God does not really punish anyone and there is no real hell or punishment for evil doers? Do I need to really share with you more biblical stories Even Jesus whipped men and knocked over tables. Why don't you read the Quran yourself and when you do you will come back hear with tears in your eyes full of repentence realizing you were rejecting the words of God and was unaware of it.

We are not in the O.T. anymore, are we? I know why God did it. He wanted a pure nation. But He did realize that with Humans that could not happen. He gave
everyone a chance to do so. Now being without Sin and be like Christ is not easy is it? We are to try our best though. That is why He send His only begotten Son, so we can have eternal life in Christ Jesus our Savior and King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
Peace and Love Irene

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 04 2009,16:42)

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 04 2009,16:26) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 04 2009,16:17) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 04 2009,09:54) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 03 2009,14:10) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 03 2009,13:46) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 03 2009,12:46) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 03 2009,11:27) Hi BD, Paul did not mention any popes. They set up their own false church. The head Bishop is the Pope, Paul set up the office of Bishop but it doesn't even matter because Paul says that “sin” is not the fault of the person it is never them it is just the “sin in them” Hi BD: I believe that you are misunderstanding the Apostle Paul when he says: “it is no longer I but sin that dwells within me…”.  He knew what was right according the commandments that came trough the Law from God, but he is saying when he has yielded to the tempation, that sin becomes a part of his nature, but no, it is not saying that “the devil makes him do it”. The only remedy for that sin once one yields to the temptation and transgresses the Eternal Laws of God is the blood of Jesus which washes the slate clean when one repents of the sin, but until God forgives the transgression and washes it away that sin, it remains a part of that person's nature.  That is why when Sharia law cuts a thiefs hand off if he gets caught stealing does not change the person's heart.  He lost a hand but that does not change his heart.  He is still a thief. Love in Christ, Marty So, you are agreeing with Paul, It is the sin within the person. You suggest that if Jesus washes the sin away then it is okay to sin. Sharia Law is not Quranic Law so please don't confuse the issue. In the Quran the message is to be Merciful and Compassionate. Hi BD: Yes, I agree with the Apostle Paul.  When one transgresses God's Eternal law it is sin that dwells within that person until that sin is forgiven and washed away by the blood of Jesus. But no, I never said that it was ok to sin.  Of course, it isn't. And so, Sharia law is not Quranic?  I'll have to do a little research on this. Love in Christ, Marty The only valid research you can do is to read the Quran itself with a pureheart. Hi BD: Did Muhammad practice mercy and compassion?  What about the Sunnah? I have already read the Quran with a pure heart.  There is much wisdom there which comes from the bible, but there are those false teachings that I have already discussed with you. Love in Christ, Marty Yes, Muhammad practiced Compassion and Mercy famously. You say you read the Quran, does that mean you have read it entirely or you have simply read a portion of it? Why also do you say that there is wisdom that comes from the bible? I ask you, when you read the NT do you accuse those authors of plagarism too? Need I remind you that the Bible unlike the Quran is a composition of many , many books it is in-fact a bibliography. The Jews believe that all the Christian teachings are false too so how is your opinion any different about the revelations you dislike? As far as the sunnah is concerned it has no bearing whatsoever on the Quran, if you want to know what God revealed to Muhammad through the Holy Angel Gabriel then read the Quran.

Hi BD:

What was written first, the bible or the Quran?  And yes, the bible is a complilation of many books by many different authors who wrote under the inspiritation of the Holy Spirit, and therefore, there is only “One author”, and that is the most High God.

I have read the entire Quran, and there is no need to read it again.  As I said, there is much wisdom from the bible written in the Quran, but there are teachings in it that are false.

As for the Jews and Muslims who do not believe God's testimony regarding His giving His Only Begotten Son to be the propitiation for our sin, I will pray God will do every thing in His power to open the eyes of their understanding so that they can see the truth and be saved.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[bodhitharta]

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 05 2009,05:27) Quote (Cindy @ Aug. 04 2009,22:23) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 04 2009,16:42) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 04 2009,16:26) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 04 2009,16:17) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 04 2009,09:54) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 03 2009,14:10) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 03 2009,13:46) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 03 2009,12:46) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 03 2009,11:27) Hi BD, Paul did not mention any popes. They set up their own false church. The head Bishop is the Pope, Paul set up the office of Bishop but it doesn't even matter because Paul says that “sin” is not the fault of the person it is never them it is just the “sin in them” Hi BD: I believe that you are misunderstanding the Apostle Paul when he says: “it is no longer I but sin that dwells within me…”.  He knew what was right according the commandments that came trough the Law from God, but he is saying when he has yielded to the tempation, that sin becomes a part of his nature, but no, it is not saying that “the devil makes him do it”. The only remedy for that sin once one yields to the temptation and transgresses the Eternal Laws of God is the blood of Jesus which washes the slate clean when one repents of the sin, but until God forgives the transgression and washes it away that sin, it remains a part of that person's nature.  That is why when Sharia law cuts a thiefs hand off if he gets caught stealing does not change the person's heart.  He lost a hand but that does not change his heart.  He is still a thief. Love in Christ, Marty So, you are agreeing with Paul, It is the sin within the person. You suggest that if Jesus washes the sin away then it is okay to sin. Sharia Law is not Quranic Law so please don't confuse the issue. In the Quran the message is to be Merciful and Compassionate. Hi BD: Yes, I agree with the Apostle Paul.  When one transgresses God's Eternal law it is sin that dwells within that person until that sin is forgiven and washed away by the blood of Jesus. But no, I never said that it was ok to sin.  Of course, it isn't. And so, Sharia law is not Quranic?  I'll have to do a little research on this. Love in Christ, Marty The only valid research you can do is to read the Quran itself with a pureheart. Hi BD: Did Muhammad practice mercy and compassion?  What about the Sunnah? I have already read the Quran with a pure heart.  There is much wisdom there which comes from the bible, but there are those false teachings that I have already discussed with you. Love in Christ, Marty Yes, Muhammad practiced Compassion and Mercy famously. You say you read the Quran, does that mean you have read it entirely or you have simply read a portion of it? Why also do you say that there is wisdom that comes from the bible? I ask you, when you read the NT do you accuse those authors of plagarism too? Need I remind you that the Bible unlike the Quran is a composition of many , many books it is in-fact a bibliography. The Jews believe that all the Christian teachings are false too so how is your opinion any different about the revelations you dislike? As far as the sunnah is concerned it has no bearing whatsoever on the Quran, if you want to know what God revealed to Muhammad through the Holy Angel Gabriel then read the Quran. The Quran is a violent Book.  When we went to the Baptist Church, because our Son and some of our Grandchildren go there, He read us out of the Quran to show us how violent it was.  So what are you telling others to read it? The Jewish People were punished heavily because of their belief, and their punishment was over in 1914 when in 1948 they became a nation again.  And IMO their Generation will not pass away til all will be fulfilled. Peace and Love Irene Picking selections out of the Quran to try to create an image of a violent book is not difficult, Look: Deuteronomy 3:5-7 (New King James Version) 5 All these cities were fortified with high walls, gates, and bars, besides a great many rural towns. 6 And we utterly destroyed them, as we did to Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children of every city. 7 But all the livestock and the spoil of the cities we took as booty for ourselves. Genesis 34 25 Now it came to pass on the third day, when they were in pain, that two of the sons of Jacob, Simeon and Levi, Dinah’s brothers, each took his sword and came boldly upon the city and killed all the males. Judges 20:5-7 (New King James Version) 5 And the men of Gibeah rose against me, and surrounded the house at night because of me. They intended to kill me, but instead they ravished my concubine so that she died. 6 So I took hold of my concubine, cut her in pieces, and sent her throughout all the territory of the inheritance of Israel, because they committed lewdness and outrage in Israel. Now what were you saying about violence? Also, what makes you believe that God is always non-violent? Are you of those who believe God does not really punish anyone and there is no real hell or punishment for evil doers? Do I need to really share with you more biblical stories Even Jesus whipped men and knocked over tables. Why don't you read the Quran yourself and when you do you will come back hear with tears in your eyes full of repentence realizing you were rejecting the words of God and was unaware of it. We are not in the O.T. anymore, are we?  I know why God did it.  He wanted a pure nation.  But He did realize that with Humans that could not happen.  He gave everyone a chance to do so.  Now being without Sin and be like Christ is not easy is it?  We are to try our best though.  That is why He send His only begotten Son, so we can have eternal life in Christ Jesus our Savior and King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Peace and Love Irene

It doesn't matter if it was the Old Testament. It was violent and often it was God directed violence, God does not change and there is no way to put Him in the wrong but you find it okay to point out violence in the Quran and say “God wouldn't say that” so now I have shown you that God has already said those things before.

God still wants a pure nation and Jesus said that we are to be perfect as our heavenly Father is perfect and God said that His commandments aren't burdensome.

Once again read The Quran and learn about God Almighty all over again so you can really know Him as much as you know Jesus.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Your god is not our God.

[bodhitharta]

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 04 2009,16:42) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 04 2009,16:26) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 04 2009,16:17) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 04 2009,09:54) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 03 2009,14:10) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 03 2009,13:46) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 03 2009,12:46) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 03 2009,11:27) Hi BD, Paul did not mention any popes. They set up their own false church. The head Bishop is the Pope, Paul set up the office of Bishop but it doesn't even matter because Paul says that “sin” is not the fault of the person it is never them it is just the “sin in them” Hi BD: I believe that you are misunderstanding the Apostle Paul when he says: “it is no longer I but sin that dwells within me…”.  He knew what was right according the commandments that came trough the Law from God, but he is saying when he has yielded to the tempation, that sin becomes a part of his nature, but no, it is not saying that “the devil makes him do it”. The only remedy for that sin once one yields to the temptation and transgresses the Eternal Laws of God is the blood of Jesus which washes the slate clean when one repents of the sin, but until God forgives the transgression and washes it away that sin, it remains a part of that person's nature.  That is why when Sharia law cuts a thiefs hand off if he gets caught stealing does not change the person's heart.  He lost a hand but that does not change his heart.  He is still a thief. Love in Christ, Marty So, you are agreeing with Paul, It is the sin within the person. You suggest that if Jesus washes the sin away then it is okay to sin. Sharia Law is not Quranic Law so please don't confuse the issue. In the Quran the message is to be Merciful and Compassionate. Hi BD: Yes, I agree with the Apostle Paul.  When one transgresses God's Eternal law it is sin that dwells within that person until that sin is forgiven and washed away by the blood of Jesus. But no, I never said that it was ok to sin.  Of course, it isn't. And so, Sharia law is not Quranic?  I'll have to do a little research on this. Love in Christ, Marty The only valid research you can do is to read the Quran itself with a pureheart. Hi BD: Did Muhammad practice mercy and compassion?  What about the Sunnah? I have already read the Quran with a pure heart.  There is much wisdom there which comes from the bible, but there are those false teachings that I have already discussed with you. Love in Christ, Marty Yes, Muhammad practiced Compassion and Mercy famously. You say you read the Quran, does that mean you have read it entirely or you have simply read a portion of it? Why also do you say that there is wisdom that comes from the bible? I ask you, when you read the NT do you accuse those authors of plagarism too? Need I remind you that the Bible unlike the Quran is a composition of many , many books it is in-fact a bibliography. The Jews believe that all the Christian teachings are false too so how is your opinion any different about the revelations you dislike? As far as the sunnah is concerned it has no bearing whatsoever on the Quran, if you want to know what God revealed to Muhammad through the Holy Angel Gabriel then read the Quran. Hi BD: What was written first, the bible or the Quran?  And yes, the bible is a complilation of many books by many different authors who wrote under the inspiritation of the Holy Spirit, and therefore, there is only “One author”, and that is the most High God. I have read the entire Quran, and there is no need to read it again.  As I said, there is much wisdom from the bible written in the Quran, but there are teachings in it that are false. As for the Jews and Muslims who do not believe God's testimony regarding His giving His Only Begotten Son to be the propitiation for our sin, I will pray God will do every thing in His power to open the eyes of their understanding so that they can see the truth and be saved. Love in Christ, Marty

Marty,

I am telling you truly you may disagree with what you read in the Quran but The Holy Spirit did not teach to you that it was false and that is a fact.

Now, if you are so convinced that The Holy Spirit revealed this to you (which did not happen) then let us testify that we both received information from the Holy Spirit and wish that the one lying on the Holy Spirit be cursed and even their family be cursed for lying on the Holy Spirit.

I will start:

I have received by the Power and Authority of The Holy Spirit that The Quran is The Book revealed by Gabriel The Holy Angel that stands in the presence of God and is a true account of all the stories contained therein.

This is my testimony.

Now your turn:

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Cobblers.
God does not add corrections to Jesus and the other proven servants or the scriptures.
Wake up.

[bodhitharta]

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Hi BD, Cobblers. God does not add corrections to Jesus and the other proven servants or the scriptures. Wake up.

I already gave you the chance to deny my assertions by the power of The Holy Spirit, nick. You backed out because you knew the Holy Spirit was not guiding you in this matter. You have lost all credibility!

[942767]

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Quote (942767 @ Aug. 05 2009,09:30) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 04 2009,16:42) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 04 2009,16:26) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 04 2009,16:17) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 04 2009,09:54) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 03 2009,14:10) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 03 2009,13:46) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 03 2009,12:46) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 03 2009,11:27) Hi BD, Paul did not mention any popes. They set up their own false church. The head Bishop is the Pope, Paul set up the office of Bishop but it doesn't even matter because Paul says that “sin” is not the fault of the person it is never them it is just the “sin in them” Hi BD: I believe that you are misunderstanding the Apostle Paul when he says: “it is no longer I but sin that dwells within me…”.  He knew what was right according the commandments that came trough the Law from God, but he is saying when he has yielded to the tempation, that sin becomes a part of his nature, but no, it is not saying that “the devil makes him do it”. The only remedy for that sin once one yields to the temptation and transgresses the Eternal Laws of God is the blood of Jesus which washes the slate clean when one repents of the sin, but until God forgives the transgression and washes it away that sin, it remains a part of that person's nature.  That is why when Sharia law cuts a thiefs hand off if he gets caught stealing does not change the person's heart.  He lost a hand but that does not change his heart.  He is still a thief. Love in Christ, Marty So, you are agreeing with Paul, It is the sin within the person. You suggest that if Jesus washes the sin away then it is okay to sin. Sharia Law is not Quranic Law so please don't confuse the issue. In the Quran the message is to be Merciful and Compassionate. Hi BD: Yes, I agree with the Apostle Paul.  When one transgresses God's Eternal law it is sin that dwells within that person until that sin is forgiven and washed away by the blood of Jesus. But no, I never said that it was ok to sin.  Of course, it isn't. And so, Sharia law is not Quranic?  I'll have to do a little research on this. Love in Christ, Marty The only valid research you can do is to read the Quran itself with a pureheart. Hi BD: Did Muhammad practice mercy and compassion?  What about the Sunnah? I have already read the Quran with a pure heart.  There is much wisdom there which comes from the bible, but there are those false teachings that I have already discussed with you. Love in Christ, Marty Yes, Muhammad practiced Compassion and Mercy famously. You say you read the Quran, does that mean you have read it entirely or you have simply read a portion of it? Why also do you say that there is wisdom that comes from the bible? I ask you, when you read the NT do you accuse those authors of plagarism too? Need I remind you that the Bible unlike the Quran is a composition of many , many books it is in-fact a bibliography. The Jews believe that all the Christian teachings are false too so how is your opinion any different about the revelations you dislike? As far as the sunnah is concerned it has no bearing whatsoever on the Quran, if you want to know what God revealed to Muhammad through the Holy Angel Gabriel then read the Quran. Hi BD: What was written first, the bible or the Quran?  And yes, the bible is a complilation of many books by many different authors who wrote under the inspiritation of the Holy Spirit, and therefore, there is only “One author”, and that is the most High God. I have read the entire Quran, and there is no need to read it again.  As I said, there is much wisdom from the bible written in the Quran, but there are teachings in it that are false. As for the Jews and Muslims who do not believe God's testimony regarding His giving His Only Begotten Son to be the propitiation for our sin, I will pray God will do every thing in His power to open the eyes of their understanding so that they can see the truth and be saved. Love in Christ, Marty Marty, I am telling you truly you may disagree with what you read in the Quran but The Holy Spirit did not teach to you that it was false and that is a fact. Now, if you are so convinced that The Holy Spirit revealed this to you (which did not happen) then let us testify that we both received information from the Holy Spirit and wish that the one lying on the Holy Spirit be cursed and even their family be cursed for lying on the Holy Spirit. I will start: I have received by the Power and Authority of The Holy Spirit  that The Quran is The Book revealed by Gabriel The Holy Angel that stands in the presence of God and is a true account of all the stories contained therein. This is my testimony. Now your turn:

Hi BD:

I will simply say that the truth will be revealed one way or the other.

But the Word of God states the following:

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Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[bodhitharta]

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 05 2009,15:19) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 05 2009,09:30) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 04 2009,16:42) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 04 2009,16:26) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 04 2009,16:17) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 04 2009,09:54) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 03 2009,14:10) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 03 2009,13:46) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 03 2009,12:46) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 03 2009,11:27) Hi BD, Paul did not mention any popes. They set up their own false church. The head Bishop is the Pope, Paul set up the office of Bishop but it doesn't even matter because Paul says that “sin” is not the fault of the person it is never them it is just the “sin in them” Hi BD: I believe that you are misunderstanding the Apostle Paul when he says: “it is no longer I but sin that dwells within me…”.  He knew what was right according the commandments that came trough the Law from God, but he is saying when he has yielded to the tempation, that sin becomes a part of his nature, but no, it is not saying that “the devil makes him do it”. The only remedy for that sin once one yields to the temptation and transgresses the Eternal Laws of God is the blood of Jesus which washes the slate clean when one repents of the sin, but until God forgives the transgression and washes it away that sin, it remains a part of that person's nature.  That is why when Sharia law cuts a thiefs hand off if he gets caught stealing does not change the person's heart.  He lost a hand but that does not change his heart.  He is still a thief. Love in Christ, Marty So, you are agreeing with Paul, It is the sin within the person. You suggest that if Jesus washes the sin away then it is okay to sin. Sharia Law is not Quranic Law so please don't confuse the issue. In the Quran the message is to be Merciful and Compassionate. Hi BD: Yes, I agree with the Apostle Paul.  When one transgresses God's Eternal law it is sin that dwells within that person until that sin is forgiven and washed away by the blood of Jesus. But no, I never said that it was ok to sin.  Of course, it isn't. And so, Sharia law is not Quranic?  I'll have to do a little research on this. Love in Christ, Marty The only valid research you can do is to read the Quran itself with a pureheart. Hi BD: Did Muhammad practice mercy and compassion?  What about the Sunnah? I have already read the Quran with a pure heart.  There is much wisdom there which comes from the bible, but there are those false teachings that I have already discussed with you. Love in Christ, Marty Yes, Muhammad practiced Compassion and Mercy famously. You say you read the Quran, does that mean you have read it entirely or you have simply read a portion of it? Why also do you say that there is wisdom that comes from the bible? I ask you, when you read the NT do you accuse those authors of plagarism too? Need I remind you that the Bible unlike the Quran is a composition of many , many books it is in-fact a bibliography. The Jews believe that all the Christian teachings are false too so how is your opinion any different about the revelations you dislike? As far as the sunnah is concerned it has no bearing whatsoever on the Quran, if you want to know what God revealed to Muhammad through the Holy Angel Gabriel then read the Quran. Hi BD: What was written first, the bible or the Quran?  And yes, the bible is a complilation of many books by many different authors who wrote under the inspiritation of the Holy Spirit, and therefore, there is only “One author”, and that is the most High God. I have read the entire Quran, and there is no need to read it again.  As I said, there is much wisdom from the bible written in the Quran, but there are teachings in it that are false. As for the Jews and Muslims who do not believe God's testimony regarding His giving His Only Begotten Son to be the propitiation for our sin, I will pray God will do every thing in His power to open the eyes of their understanding so that they can see the truth and be saved. Love in Christ, Marty Marty, I am telling you truly you may disagree with what you read in the Quran but The Holy Spirit did not teach to you that it was false and that is a fact. Now, if you are so convinced that The Holy Spirit revealed this to you (which did not happen) then let us testify that we both received information from the Holy Spirit and wish that the one lying on the Holy Spirit be cursed and even their family be cursed for lying on the Holy Spirit. I will start: I have received by the Power and Authority of The Holy Spirit  that The Quran is The Book revealed by Gabriel The Holy Angel that stands in the presence of God and is a true account of all the stories contained therein. This is my testimony. Now your turn: Hi BD: I will simply say that the truth will be revealed one way or the other.   But the Word of God states the following: Quote Gal 1:8   But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.   Love in Christ, Marty

Well, it goes with your belief to dismiss Gal 1:8 JUST AS THE AUTHOR OF THAT VERSE DISMISSED OTHER VERSES.

Remember the old testament says that The Law is forever but Paul says it was only a tutor until Christ had come and now he simply repeats with the gospel what was said about the law.

That should explain to you what Paul means according to his usage and importance of the meaning in verses Paul is simply saying that Christ was a tutor until the Quran had come.

BTW, Do you assume that the word of Paul is the Word of God?

I thought the word of God are the portions of the bible that state “and God Said”

[942767]

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Quote (942767 @ Aug. 06 2009,09:39) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 05 2009,15:19) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 05 2009,09:30) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 04 2009,16:42) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 04 2009,16:26) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 04 2009,16:17) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 04 2009,09:54) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 03 2009,14:10) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 03 2009,13:46) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 03 2009,12:46) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 03 2009,11:27) Hi BD, Paul did not mention any popes. They set up their own false church. The head Bishop is the Pope, Paul set up the office of Bishop but it doesn't even matter because Paul says that “sin” is not the fault of the person it is never them it is just the “sin in them” Hi BD: I believe that you are misunderstanding the Apostle Paul when he says: “it is no longer I but sin that dwells within me…”.  He knew what was right according the commandments that came trough the Law from God, but he is saying when he has yielded to the tempation, that sin becomes a part of his nature, but no, it is not saying that “the devil makes him do it”. The only remedy for that sin once one yields to the temptation and transgresses the Eternal Laws of God is the blood of Jesus which washes the slate clean when one repents of the sin, but until God forgives the transgression and washes it away that sin, it remains a part of that person's nature.  That is why when Sharia law cuts a thiefs hand off if he gets caught stealing does not change the person's heart.  He lost a hand but that does not change his heart.  He is still a thief. Love in Christ, Marty So, you are agreeing with Paul, It is the sin within the person. You suggest that if Jesus washes the sin away then it is okay to sin. Sharia Law is not Quranic Law so please don't confuse the issue. In the Quran the message is to be Merciful and Compassionate. Hi BD: Yes, I agree with the Apostle Paul.  When one transgresses God's Eternal law it is sin that dwells within that person until that sin is forgiven and washed away by the blood of Jesus. But no, I never said that it was ok to sin.  Of course, it isn't. And so, Sharia law is not Quranic?  I'll have to do a little research on this. Love in Christ, Marty The only valid research you can do is to read the Quran itself with a pureheart. Hi BD: Did Muhammad practice mercy and compassion?  What about the Sunnah? I have already read the Quran with a pure heart.  There is much wisdom there which comes from the bible, but there are those false teachings that I have already discussed with you. Love in Christ, Marty Yes, Muhammad practiced Compassion and Mercy famously. You say you read the Quran, does that mean you have read it entirely or you have simply read a portion of it? Why also do you say that there is wisdom that comes from the bible? I ask you, when you read the NT do you accuse those authors of plagarism too? Need I remind you that the Bible unlike the Quran is a composition of many , many books it is in-fact a bibliography. The Jews believe that all the Christian teachings are false too so how is your opinion any different about the revelations you dislike? As far as the sunnah is concerned it has no bearing whatsoever on the Quran, if you want to know what God revealed to Muhammad through the Holy Angel Gabriel then read the Quran. Hi BD: What was written first, the bible or the Quran?  And yes, the bible is a complilation of many books by many different authors who wrote under the inspiritation of the Holy Spirit, and therefore, there is only “One author”, and that is the most High God. I have read the entire Quran, and there is no need to read it again.  As I said, there is much wisdom from the bible written in the Quran, but there are teachings in it that are false. As for the Jews and Muslims who do not believe God's testimony regarding His giving His Only Begotten Son to be the propitiation for our sin, I will pray God will do every thing in His power to open the eyes of their understanding so that they can see the truth and be saved. Love in Christ, Marty Marty, I am telling you truly you may disagree with what you read in the Quran but The Holy Spirit did not teach to you that it was false and that is a fact. Now, if you are so convinced that The Holy Spirit revealed this to you (which did not happen) then let us testify that we both received information from the Holy Spirit and wish that the one lying on the Holy Spirit be cursed and even their family be cursed for lying on the Holy Spirit. I will start: I have received by the Power and Authority of The Holy Spirit  that The Quran is The Book revealed by Gabriel The Holy Angel that stands in the presence of God and is a true account of all the stories contained therein. This is my testimony. Now your turn: Hi BD: I will simply say that the truth will be revealed one way or the other.   But the Word of God states the following: Quote Gal 1:8   But though we, or an angel from heaven, pr each any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.   Love in Christ, Marty Well, it goes with your belief to dismiss Gal 1:8 JUST AS THE AUTHOR OF THAT VERSE DISMISSED OTHER VERSES. Remember the old testament says that The Law is forever but Paul says it was only a tutor until Christ had come and now he simply repeats with the gospel what was said about the law. That should explain to you what Paul means according to his usage and importance of the meaning in verses Paul is simply saying that Christ was a tutor until the Quran had come. BTW, Do you assume that the word of Paul is the Word of God? I thought the word of God are the portions of the bible that state “and God Said”

Hi BD:

The Apostle Paul was the Apostle to the gentile nations as Peter was the Apostle to the Nation of Israel.  Apostle means “sent by God”, and so, yes, God spoke to humanity through the Apostle Paul.

The Law is indeed forever, but Jesus fulfilled the law and we who are born again Christians also fulfill the law through the spirit of love.

Jesus in response to the lawyer stated:

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Mat 22:35   Then one of them, [which was] a lawyer, asked [him a question], tempting him, and saying,   Mat 22:36   Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law?   Mat 22:37   Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.   Mat 22:38   This is the first and great commandment.   Mat 22:39   And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.   Mat 22:40   On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

All of the books and epistles in the New Testament end with the word “Amen” which means “so be it”.  Nothing can be added to or taken away from the Word of God, and so, no, the Quran has nothing to add to the Word of God.  The only book in the New Testament that is an open book and does not end in “Amen” is the Acts of the Apostles, and the reason is that these works continue on until the Lord comes for the church.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[theodorej]

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 30 2009,07:44)

WJ, Thinker, Nick and whoever else If you reject the Pope like I know some of you do, especially the ones mentioned above you reject the teachings of Paul as he instituted the office of Head Bishop i.e. Pope. The Pope represents the triumph of Christ over his enemies as The Vatican is clear evidence of. So isn't rejecting the Pope rejecting Christ?

NO !!!….. Rejecting Christ is when you declare yourself the Vicar of Christ on this earth and the Godly power of infailability….just to name a few acts of an abomidable nature…

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