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Hi Malcolm
You say
“The spirit is the life? [John 6:63, Rom 8:2, Rom 8:10, 2 Cor 3:6, Eccl 12:7]”Jn 6.63
” 63It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
Rom 8.2
” 2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.”
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” 10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.”
2Cor 3.6
” 6Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.”
and
Ecc 12.7
” 7Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.”So the first three verses relate to the Spirit of God, while only the last relates to the human spirit. The Spirit of God as also in the Word, gives life and unity to the body of Christ and we are never separated from each other, from Christ and from God for eternity in that Spirit.
True natural men cannot live without blood but it is not interchangeable among them necessarily.
“The life is in the blood [Deuteronomy 12:23, Leviticus !7:11 & 14, Genesis 9:4]”
Gen 9.4
” 4But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.”Lev 17
” 11For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.12Therefore I said unto the children of Israel, No soul of you shall eat blood, neither shall any stranger that sojourneth among you eat blood.
13And whatsoever man there be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn among you, which hunteth and catcheth any beast or fowl that may be eaten; he shall even pour out the blood thereof, and cover it with dust.
14For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off.”
Deut 12
” 23Only be sure that thou eat not the blood: for the blood is the life; and thou mayest not eat the life with the flesh.”Blood carries oxygen and circulates nutrients to sustain life.
It is a type of the life of the Spirit in the body of Christ.Paul said in 1 Cor 10
” 16The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?17For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread. “
The separation of the blood from the body at Calvary is symbolically rejoined in life at the table of the Lord.
I was using those verses merely to illustrate that spirit and life are synomous as to meaning – not to imply a uniformity of life or the same spirit in each verse.
Quote True natural men cannot live without blood but it is not interchangeable among them necessarily. Yes that is determined by blood type
But in Acts Paul says of one blood he made all men.
So blood is common among us and the blood that is common is of a particular genetic form that is unique from blood of any other species.Hi Malcolm,
You said
“But in Acts Paul says of one blood he made all men.'
I do not think so.
He did say in Acts 20
” 26Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men. “
Not quite the same.
“ACTS 17:26
And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;Hi Malcolm,
He was a son of Adam through Mary.
He was made like to us in all ways except sin.
He was tempted in every way as we are but did not sin
He was truly Son of man.We can follow him.
In the OT the blood of a natural lamb was slain as an offering for sin.
It spoke of a better blood to come, of which it was just a type and shadow.
This blood offering covered the believer for a period of time but did not take away sin.Why?
The life of the blood was not the same, it took a kinsman redeemer, and his blood to remove sin forever.
The life (and therefore the spirit contained in that life) of a lamb could not accomplish this.
It had no human soul (not the same nature as man's life)
It took the spotless, sinless life blood of the Lamb of God – Jesus Christ our Messiah to do it.When Jesus was sent to earth – He had to borrow a womb to be born through.
He borrowed an earthly Father and Mother (Joseph and Mary) for he had none by nature.
He said – the birds have nests and the foxes have holes but the Son of Man has no where to lay his head.
He said – a body thou (God) hast prepared me.
He even had to borrow a tomb to be buried in…Hi Malcolm,
Is 49.1f
“1Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name.2And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me;
3And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.
4Then I said, I have laboured in vain, I have spent my strength for nought, and in vain: yet surely my judgment is with the LORD, and my work with my God.
5And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength. “
The Word that had been hidden in the quiver of the Lord was was made flesh and dwelt among us.
And Mary was his mother and not a surrogate mother for a new creation that was not of flesh/dust.The bible tells us that any man who has an ejaculation is unclean for 7 days.
A woman is unclean during the end of her menstrual cycle.
The act of copulaton – mixing of seed in the woman – makes both parties unclean for a day.In short all association of sexual reproductive function is designated unclean (Leviticus 15)
For the woman to contribute an egg therefore, and God to contribute sperm – puts Him in the dubious position of being involved in an unclean act.
Hi Malcolm,
Scripture does not say that sexuality in marriage is unclean.
Far from it and surely you woukld not preach such a thing.
Heb 13.4
” 4Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge”1Cor 7
” 1Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.2Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
3Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.
4The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.
5Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency”
Jesus was born of Mary.
So what do you make of Jb 25
” 4How then can man be justified with God? or how can he be clean that is born of a woman? “
And Jb 15
“What is man, that he should be clean? and he which is born of a woman, that he should be righteous?”
HEBREWS 13:4
Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.So you are saying that God and Mary were married?
Hi Malcolm,
All of heaven and earth and all that are in them belong to God.Deut 10.13
” 14 To the LORD your God belong the heavens, even the highest heavens, the earth and everything in it.”
That includes Mary.And we do not apply the Law or any rules of behaviour to the God of heaven and earth.
Neither can we say that God has one rule for men – of things that they cannot – indeed must not do.
Which he then turns around and breaks.
He is the strong one bound by an oath – Elohim
He is bound by the oath of His own Word.
Which cannot – does not change – fail – or pass away.HEBREWS 6:13
For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself,God gave His word to Abraham – an oath of promise – He included Abraham into His own covenant – when Abraham had no part in it.
God by Grace said – I HAVE (past tense) blessed you.
God gives His Word not so that He can break it.Hi Malcolm,
God is not bound by the laws of Moses, and broke no laws to allow His Son to be conceived in His property, Mary.
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