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Quote (malcolm ferris @ Sep. 14 2006,10:40) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 13 2006,07:57) Hi david,
Divine and angelic beings are spirit beings.
They have no bodies derived from the dust of earth.
We and the other earthly beings are integrated beings including a body.
We are made in the image of God and the likeness is not in the flesh.
The mind of Christ enables us to see separation between body and soul as Paul showed in 2 Cor 5.
The destiny for souls those outside of Christ is Death and Hades till the second resurrection.
Paul showed us our being is soul and we live in a perishable tent and after our death will live with Christ.
Hades cannot hold the 'living' saints who go to mansions Christ has prepared.
The Living God cannot die.Quote We are made in the image of God and the likeness is not in the flesh. This being the case Nick then when was this likeness created? In Genesis 1 or Genesis 2
Genesis 1 speaks of God creating man in His image and likeness
Genesis 2 speaks of God creating a man from the dust of the earth.
If the Genesis 2 account it just a re-iteration of Genesis 1 then the dust of the earth would be the image and likeness of God.
Which it is not is it?
Hi Malcolm,
Why does God have to follow our logic?Go had already begotten His Son
and through him heaven
and all the heaven host
before He laid the foundations of the physical universe
and then started to work on project planet earthThe earth was the boundary and the revealed limit of God's sphere of living physical creation and Genesis shows man as derived from earth as dust.
We can know God is not of dust.
We do not see God as having earthly origins as man does.
We know God is spirit.Why did God create a being in His image encased in earth? Perhaps because earth was to be his domain over which under God he would have authority and we certainly know it is also his inheritance.
Matt 5
” 5Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.”What is the logic of God you are suggesting here Nick? That the Word was a spirit being before he was made flesh and dwelt on earth???
Hi Malcolm,
God is the source of divine wisdom and logic is of weak human wisdom.Just because God said He would make us in His image does not mean we have to be exactly like God in all ways or prove God is exactly like to us-body, soul and spirit.
Yet God is the strong one bound by an oath
the oath of His Word
He does not change as to His nature and ways.Hi Malcolm and ST,
Malcolm you said:“And the spirit of man became desperately wicked – a carnal spirit.”
Is this the spirit that returns to God?
Ecc 12
” 7Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.'ST scripture says the spirit returns to God.
Malcolm, can God accept back what you say is wicked??Hi Malcolm,
You say.
“Genesis 1 speaks of God creating man in His image and likenessGenesis 2 speaks of God creating a man from the dust of the earth.
If the Genesis 2 account it just a re-iteration of Genesis 1 then the dust of the earth would be the image and likeness of God.
Which it is not is it?”Do you have problems accepting one of these scriptures as true or just problems resolving them?
If they are both true then Gen 2 is detail of Gen one and shows that the resemblance was not in every aspect.
Why should it be?
God sees us as inner man and as outer man and both are true representations of us.Hi t8,
When you say
“The soul lives when God's spirit resides inside.”are you speaking of eternal life
or ordinary human life from the breath of God
and the spirit of man from God residing in us?Hi ST,
You say
“Personally I believe that the body and the spirit are vehicles which “house” a soul.”In which order?
When the spirit returns to God is the soul unhoused twice?I believe that our human spirit gives us life.
Jas 2
” 26For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.”Hi Malcolm,
You say
“The body now died.”
We are all familiar with the natural death of a body and that of Adam seems to have continued to live for another 800 odd years, albeit under the sentence of death.Hi Malcolm,
You say
“The body is the vessel”2Cor 5
” 1For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.2For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
3If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
4For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
5Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
6Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
7(For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
8We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. “
But Paul makes it plain that he lives within this tent and he does want to be reclothed alike to the man from heaven.
Rom 7
” 22For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:23But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.”
So when he says Christ lives in him do you think he means in the inner man, or in the body or both?
Hi Malcolm,
Which are these vessels?
2 Tim 2
” 20But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.21If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.”
So if it belongs to Him – he can claim it back anytime then.
He can take the Devil's life – our life – any life He choses…
He gave it – He can take it back – and back to Him it goes.Hi Malcolm,
God's breath made dust into a living being.
The breath of God is good.
It transformed the dust into flesh that housed the inner man, alive by the lent spirit of man.
That soul vessel, designed to house the Spirit of God instead became a haunt for every evil thing till God withdraws that spirit to himself.JOB 12:10
“In whose hand is the soul of everyone alive And the spirit of all flesh of man?”JOB 34:14-15
“If he sets his heart upon anyone, [If] that one’s spirit and breath he gathers to himself, All flesh will expire together, And earthling man himself will return to the very dust.”I find the expression “soul vessel” nowhere in scripture. If the soul is simply the body, something that houses the spirit, as I believe many understand it, why not simply call the soul the body?
The life is in the blood [Deuteronomy 12:23, Leviticus !7:11 & 14, Genesis 9:4]
But blood is not the life, the life is IN it.
The spirit is the life? [John 6:63, Rom 8:2, Rom 8:10, 2 Cor 3:6, Eccl 12:7]
Then the spirit is in the blood as life?
If so then Gen 1:11 applies to the life of a spirit equally as to flesh.For you can transfuse the blood of one human to another
but not of a human to any other speicie or vice versa
it will not produce or preserve life, only death.So it would appear that the spirit of life that gives a flesh body expression is linked to the spirit that enlivens it…
Nick
You mentioned earlier that man is an integrated being – implying that three parts
Body – Soul – Spirit
Had to be united into one whole.
Did he simultaneously and instantaneously do this or were the parts separate before integration?
If not then how could they be separate parts and how could they be integrated?The man that was made in the image and likeness of God was made at exactly the same moment
in exactly the same place as the body that was from the dust, with the soul happening at exactly the same time?Is I CORINTHIANS 15:46 a verse that proves this?
I Cor 15:46-7
Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven
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