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Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 05 2009,05:21) Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 04 2009,22:21) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 04 2009,16:49) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 04 2009,17:17) Hi,
There are no food restrictions of those in Christ.
Nick: I couldn't agree more. Perfect short post! Bless you TK
You are not reading what is actually written since according to Acts the gentiles are forbidden to eat blood, food sacrificed to idols, and meat from strangled animals. Paul addresses the issue of food sacrificed to idols and the banning of eating blood is written in the law. I am not why eating the meat from strangled animals is banned but it may have something to do with eating blood.It seems the Jews ban it because it causes cruel and unusual pain for the animal.
Kerwin: In the New Covenant there is no Jew nor Gentile nor bond nor free. No male nor female. In God all are one. There can be Jew's and Gentiles in physical bloodline, but not spiritually. In the New Covenant way of Spirit all are made one. Thats why all the blessings of God are for “whosoever” will believe and accept them. Faith in God has been the way of God since the beginning of time. Abraham was righteous by faith. Perfection and connection were always by faith. Bless you, TK
Tim Kraft,You wish to eat blood, you wish to eat a strangled animal, or an animal that is considered unclean, then give your thanks and enjoy.
Hi CON,
Don't eat this. Don't touch that.
Even the showbread was eaten by hungry men of God.
Fear of failure is the fruit of self perfectionism but blessed are those to whom God imputes no sin.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 05 2009,10:23) Hi CON,
Don't eat this. Don't touch that.
Even the showbread was eaten by hungry men of God.
Fear of failure is the fruit of self perfectionism but blessed are those to whom God imputes no sin.
Yahweh has given us some sobering words from the prophet Ezekiel:“Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they showed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.” Ezek 22:26.
Ezekiel was a prophet who was given insight to the future, Yahweh blessed him with a beautiful gift of prophecy. Do you think Ezekiel saw what is happing today in Christianity?
Let us not profane Yahweh or His holy temple (our bodies) by not discerning between clean and unclean products to eat.
There is great reward awaiting those who are zealous for the way of Yahweh and who are diligent in carrying out His will.
Hi CON,
You go further than Jesus did with your dire warnings of condenmnation.
So we should follow him don't you think?[2Jn.9]
Why are you anxious about food?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 05 2009,16:30) Hi CON,
You go further than Jesus did with your dire warnings of condenmnation.
So we should follow him don't you think?[2Jn.9]
Why are you anxious about food?
Where did you find “me” condemning? Unless your referring to Ezek 22:26, if you find the scripture condemning, then it's between yourself and Yahweh? And not me.
Hi CON,
No I do not think anyone else but you takes so seriously food warnings to the brothers of Jesus.
We are grateful for God's supply whatever it is.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 05 2009,16:30) Hi CON,
You go further than Jesus did with your dire warnings of condenmnation.
So we should follow him don't you think?[2Jn.9]
Why are you anxious about food?Quote Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Yahshua, hath not Yahweh. He that abideth in the doctrine of Yahshua, he hath both the Father and the Son. 1John 2:9 And what was that doctrine of Yahshua?
Yahshua answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. John 7:16
And how do we know if the doctrine comes from Yahweh?
If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of Yahweh, or [whether] I speak of myself. John 7:17
By doing his will.
Hi CON,
The will of God is that you should listen to and obey His Son.
So since his Son did not teach what you focus on why are you getting so uselessly distracted??Clean Animals Were Preserved for Food!
Because of the coming flood, Yahweh directed Noah to build an ark to preserve the different kinds of animals according to species.
Noah took seven pairs of clean beasts and two of each unclean beast, (Gen 7:2).
Yahweh had a purpose in preserving more clean beasts than unclean for use after the flood.
Certain flesh became food as most vegetation was destroyed.
Noah knew there was a distinction between clean and unclean animals long before the dietary law was codified at Mt. Sinai and long before a Jew ever existed.
This proves that the clean food laws commanded in Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14 were not given only to the Jews.
They were given to all men from Noah's day forward.
After the universal flood, Yahweh said in Gen 9:3,4, “Every moving thing that lives shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.”
He was speaking to Noah and his sons (vs. 1).
We already saw that Noah knew the difference between clean and unclean animals.
Therefore, when Yahweh said, “Every moving thing,” Noah knew that He meant every moving thing that was clean to eat.
Yahweh spoke similar words to Adam when He said, “every herb” and “every tree,” shall be food for you (Gen 1:29).
Adam obviously knew that Yahweh meant every herb or tree that was edible, for many plants are poisonous to man.
In Gen 8:21, Yahweh said, ” . . .neither will I again smite any more every thing living as I have done.”
Are we to understand this literally?
Did Yahweh smite those in the ark or aquatic life?
No.
Therefore, this verse needs to be qualified by understanding it to mean, “every thing living on the ground” as is revealed in Gen 7:22; ” And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
Many argue that everything that moves is fit for food.
Do we accept roasted rat, caterpillar, or jelly-fish on our dinner plates?
Are these fit for food?
Few of us realize that life is governed by certain laws, just as the sun, moon, and stars are governed by the laws of nature.
Yahweh punishes the man who breaks His laws.
How?
Through the law of cause and effect.
Do you desire good health and long life?
Remember the eternal promise of our Heavenly Father Yahweh recorded in Exodus 15:26, “If thou will diligently hearken to the voice of Yahweh thy Elohim, and will do that which is right in His sight, and will give ear to His commandments, and keep all His statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am Yahweh that healeth thee.”
On the other hand, Yahweh warned that sickness and disease would surely befall the people if they disregarded His law of diet.
Even today, medical science is proving that unclean animals like pigs, lobsters, and crabs are health risks.
Many people believe that after our Savior was impaled on the tree to die for the sins of the world, all animals, fish, and creeping things were cleansed for human food.
They are misled by a misunderstanding of the writings of the Apostle Paul.
The caution given us about Paul's teachings in 2 Peter 3:16, ” As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other Scriptures unto their own destruction.”
The current teaching that the law is done away through Paul's writings is one fulfillment of this prophecy.
Many people are blinded by no-law preachers.
Be aware of the teachings of false teachers and false prophets.
Imitate what the Bereans did upon hearing the truth and receiving it with all readiness of mind, searching the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. Acts 17:10,11.
Hi CON,
Do you ceremonially wash your hands before eating too?
All these things only treat the outside of the cup.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 05 2009,16:50) Hi CON,
The will of God is that you should listen to and obey His Son.
So since his Son did not teach what you focus on why are you getting so uselessly distracted??
Funny, Does not the Messiah say doing the will of the Father is his will?Hi CON,
He did God's will without saving lives and setting folk free and not fussing around food details.
But you want to add heavy loads to the light ones given?
Who are you?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 05 2009,17:02) Hi CON,
1Tim 4.3-5
Study Brother!What was happening in the church at the time?
It was apostasizing!
They were making commands that the members could not marry or eat any meat.
Dont twist it to suit your needs.
Not long after Paul's time the superior holiness of the unmarried life began to be preached in the church, and this resulted at last in monasticism and a celibate clergy.
The ascetic practices which began to grow up in the church a little later extended to foods.
To eat the least palatable food which would sustain life was counted a virtue.
These ascetics generally forbade animal food, and some lived only on bread and water.
These practices are still found among certain orders of the Latin and Eastern churches.
The foods which God hath created for us to use are for use, and are to be eaten thankfully by those who believe and know the truth, instead of having their minds darkened by delusions. People's New Testament
Forbidding priests, monks, and nuns to marry, and commanding all men to abstain from such and such meats at such and such times.
Which God hath created to be received by them that know the truth. Wesley's Notes
Sensuality leads to false spiritualism. Their own inward impurity is reflected in their eyes in the world without them, and hence their asceticism (Tit 1:14, 15) [Wiesinger].
By a spurious spiritualism (2Ti 2:18), which made moral perfection consist in abstinence from outward things, they pretended to attain to a higher perfection. Mt 19:10-12 (compare 1Co 7:8, 26, 38) gave a seeming handle to their “forbidding marriage” (contrast 1Ti 5:14); and the Old Testament distinction as to clean and unclean, gave a pretext for teaching to “abstain from all meats” (compare Col 2:16, 17, 20-23).
As these Judaizing Gnostics combined the harlot or apostate Old Testament Church with the beast (Re 17:3), or Gnostic spiritualizing anti-Christianity, so Rome's Judaizing elements (1Ti 4:3) shall ultimately be combined with the open worldly-wise anti-Christianity of the false prophet or beast (1Ti 6:20, 21; Col 2:8; 1Jo 4:1-3; Re 13:12-15).
Austerity gained for them a show of sanctity while preaching false doctrine (Col 2:23). Eusebius [Ecclesiastical History, 4.29] quotes from Irenæus [1.28] a statement that Saturninus, Marcion, and the Encratites preached abstinence from marriage and animal meats. Paul prophetically warns against such notions, the seeds of which already were being sown (1Ti 6:20; 2Ti 2:17, 18).
And know the truth-explanatory and defining who are “they which believe.” Translate as Greek, “and have full knowledge of the truth” (see on [2474]Php 1:9).
Thus he contradicts the assumption of superior knowledge and higher moral perfection, put forward by the heretics, on the ground of their abstinence from marriage and meats. “The truth” stands in opposition to their “lies” (1Ti 4:2). Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
So what did that all say?
The apostisizing church in Pauls day were refusing its people to “marry” and eat any “meat”, they promoted being a single, celebate vegetarian was the holiest thing one could be.
It does not support your stand.
Hi CON,
So you want us all to bear your heavy burdens with you?
Will it further improve our relationship with our Father?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 05 2009,17:32) Hi CON,
So you want us all to bear your heavy burdens with you?
Will it further improve our relationship with our Father?
How is eating clean foods a heavy burden?And I did not start this thread.
And I was not the first to respond also.
And you push your beliefs against it, therefore an apropiate response is authorized.
Handwashing Hocus-Pocus:
Many are quick to quote Mt.15:11, “Not that which goes into the mouth defiles a man; but that which comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”
They contend this verse allows us to eat all things.
If we read this verse in context, including verse 2 and verses 12-20, the light of truth shines through.
The point Yahshua (Jesus) is making is that the indwelling attitude of the individual will determine his actions.
He clarifies this in verses 17 and 18, “Do you not yet understand, that whatsoever enters in at the mouth goes into the belly, and is cast out into the draught (sewer)?
But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.”
He then goes on to show that evil thoughts generate evil deeds, which is the root of the problem.
Mark 7:19 reads, “Because it enters not into his heart, but into his belly, and goes out into the draught, purging all meats.”
The last three words do not mean all unclean food is now cleansed.
Yahshua simply meant that waste food was carried off by the digestive tract.
The scribes and Pharisees had seen the disciples eat bread without first washing their hands.
This was contrary to their traditional beliefs.
At that time, however, the disciples only ate clean food.
Therefore, the context is eating clean food with unwashed hands.
It has nothing to do with eating unclean animal flesh.
As a result of their question in verse 2, Yahshua rebukes their tradition and their hypocrisy and sums up his statements in Mt. 15:20, “These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashed hands defiles not a man.”
This chapter has nothing to do with cleansing unclean meat.
The issue was centered on tradition and outward ritual cleansing, which made them appear holy.
But Yahshua wants us to have complete change of heart and mind, not of the outward appearance.
Gentiles Cleansed
Another argument against the dietary law is found in Acts 10:9-19.
Peter had a vision of a sheet being lowered down to earth with all types of four-footed beasts, creeping things, and fowls of the air on it.
A voice tells him to “kill and eat,” but Peter refuses stating that he has never eaten anything common or unclean.
The voice then says, “What [Yahweh] has cleansed, that call not thou common.”
From these verses many people assume Peter's vision allowed him to eat flesh that was previously declared unclean by Yahweh.
Notice there is no mention of aquatic life.
Does that mean lobster is still forbidden since it doesn't have fins and scales (Lev 11:9-11) and since the vision did not include aquatic life?
The vision of Peter occurred about ten years after the death and resurrection of Messiah and yet, he still hadn't eaten unclean food.
Why not, if the dietary law came to an end at Yahshua's death?
The truth is that the law had not ended and Peter's vision did not permit him to now eat unclean.
The declaration of the Apostle Peter himself in Acts 10:28 proves this: “And he said unto them, 'You know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but [Yahweh] has shown me (in that same vision) that I should not call any man common or unclean.”
The vision did not cleanse all meat.
It taught Peter that Gentiles were accepted into the body of Messiah and should not be looked down upon.
We have no right to add our own interpretation of the meaning of this vision beyond what the Almighty said it meant.
Take note that Peter had not eaten two types of things, “common” or “unclean”.
An unclean animal is one that was created to be unclean and declared unclean by the Almighty in Lev.11 and Deut 14.
Something common, however, refers to an animal that was created clean and edible, but for some reason (ie; meat sacrificed to idols) became unedible in a persons mind.
Conscience and Idol Meat
Another scripture that has confused many is 1Cor. 10:25-27: “Whatsoever is sold in the market that eat, asking no question for conscience sake.
For the earth is Yahweh's and the fullness thereof: If an unbeliever invites you to a meal and you care to go, eat whatever is put before you, without raising questions of conscience.”
There were many kinds of unclean meats sold in Gentile meat markets.
But in the case of the Corinthians, the Apostle Paul was referring to the eating of meat sacrificed to idols, not the eating of unclean meat.
These verses must be read in context which includes verses 14 through 33.
This entire passage refers to idolatry.
The point was that since part of the animal was offered to idols, the idol and its worshipers were sharing a common meal.
This, according to Jewish thought, creates a bond of fellowship between them.
Some have stumbled on another of Paul's verses, Romans 14:14, where he writes, “. . . there is nothing unclean of itself; but to him that esteems anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean.”
The word “unclean” should have been translated “common”, as it is from the Greek word koinos.
The margin of most good study Bibles will confirm this.
Recall what Peter said in Acts 10:14, “. . . I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean.”
The word common in this verse is “koinos” and the word unclean is the Greek word “akathartos”.
Animals declared unclean by Yahweh in Lev. 11 are akathartos.
However, when a clean animal becomes unedible for some reason, for example, by being sacrificed to an idol, it is called common or koinos.
Paul's statement in Rom 14:14 referred to clean meat which a weak brother would consider common and therefore not eat, preferring instead to only eat herbs, (vs. 2).
A pig is unclean of itself, it was created unclean.
A goat that was sacrificed to an idol is not common of itself.
It became common in the mind of a person through outside means.
The weaker brother esteemed in his own mind that meat should not be eaten because it may have become common for some reason.
It is common meat that Paul was referring to, not unclean meat.
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