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Is there any reason why witchcraft and occult practices are more valid than Islam?
Why is it that Heaven.net support occult practices? Should not those who practice the occult be at least labeled the same as those of other beliefs or does Heaven.net support witchcraft and the occult?
First off, who is Heaven.net?
Secondly, if there is occult stuff going on, then I am not aware of it.
I personally do not read all the posts, so it is possible that there are posts in the Believers Area that are promoting the Occult.
I usually rely on people reporting the bad posts to me, and I read and reply to selected topics usually. So I am not obviously aware of all that is going on here.I sure that I speak for Nick, (the other moderator) too.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 15 2010,15:28) Is there any reason why witchcraft and occult practices are more valid than Islam? Why is it that Heaven.net support occult practices? Should not those who practice the occult be at least labeled the same as those of other beliefs or does Heaven.net support witchcraft and the occult?
What??? I have never seen anyone doing that!!! And if you know that person it is your responsibility to say something to t8 or Nick, I would…………Because I don't think that they like that either….
Peace and Love IreneQuote (t8 @ Jan. 20 2010,23:58) First off, who is Heaven.net? Secondly, if there is occult stuff going on, then I am not aware of it.
I personally do not read all the posts, so it is possible that there are posts in the Believers Area that are promoting the Occult.
I usually rely on people reporting the bad posts to me, and I read and reply to selected topics usually. So I am not obviously aware of all that is going on here.I sure that I speak for Nick, (the other moderator) too.
Things such as fortune telling, numerology and other divining tools are occult practices. Of course you are aware of it you have even written in the same threads it is used in.BD, are you talking about the subject that you an ED were engaging in, and other related posts?
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….;t=2916Quote (t8 @ Jan. 27 2010,08:07) BD, are you talking about the subject that you an ED were engaging in, and other related posts?
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….;t=2916
Is numerology divination an acceptable Christian practice?I'm just asking, since you find it in error or non-belief to speak about ALLAH in the believers section why is it okay to call “I AM” Satan, why is it okay to say that Satan was part of the Godhead
It seems to me that as long as you say Christ was crucified you can say pretty much anything else after that here and be called a believer. You even catholicism a false religion and still because they preach Christ crucified you call them believers although they call God “TRINITY” against the Shema.
Quote (t8 @ Jan. 27 2010,08:07) BD, are you talking about the subject that you an ED were engaging in, and other related posts?
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….;t=2916
As a matter of fact you have people in the believers section that even doubt whether Jesus was even the Messiah at all, sounds a bit skeptical to me,Hi BD.
People have doubts and we are trying to help.
In the famous words of a father.Mark 9:23-24
23″ 'If you can'?” said Jesus. “Everything is possible for him who believes.”24 Immediately the boy's father exclaimed, “I do believe; help me overcome my unbelief!”
However, if someone is teaching that Jesus is not the messiah, then you can PM me or report their supporting post, and if so, I will move them to the “Skeptics Area”.
Quote (t8 @ Jan. 28 2010,11:00) Hi BD. People have doubts and we are trying to help.
In the famous words of a father.Mark 9:23-24
23″ 'If you can'?” said Jesus. “Everything is possible for him who believes.”24 Immediately the boy's father exclaimed, “I do believe; help me overcome my unbelief!”
However, if someone is teaching that Jesus is not the messiah, then you can PM me or report their supporting post, and if so, I will move them to the “Skeptics Area”.
There is someone but I'm not going to point them out because you should know who they are already and you do. But once again you are being a hypocrite because I did in-fact teach that Jesus is The Messiah and you moved me to the sceptics section and you still support occult teachings that say that Satan was part of the Godhead and “I am”=Satan.Not to mention you still accept people who teach the trinity over people who teach that God is One.
So the number one violation in the entire bible is acceptable in the believers section. Jesus said the GREATEST COMMANDMENT is to Love the Lord God with all your heart , soul and mind and that The Lord God is ONE LORD and you help maintain the status of the TRINITY by making it valid in the believers section.
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2 Thessalonians 2:10-12Think about this my friend isn't it easier to be deceived by a half truth than it is for a completely opposing view? You have people teacing the trinity to others who are close to believing it or trying to understand it so that they can believe it if they turn to the trinity from studying it in your believers section you are partly responsible just as you felt compelled to remove Muslims from the believer section.
I have to ask you a critical question though which do you believe to be the worst offense?
Believing that Christ was saved from crucifixion
or Believing that God is triune?Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 27 2010,08:37) Is numerology divination an acceptable Christian practice?
I don't know anything about “numerology divination” but feel free to prove to me that this is what it is.However, I am rather perplexed at your post because you seem to be doing the same thing to support the Koran. I have even heard other Moslems posting about this subject in other boards. So are you saying that you engage in “numerology divination”?
I am of course completely sceptical regarding this subject whatever we call it.
But I do admit that the Aramaic, Greek, and Hebrew have the numerical system built into the alphabet and as such there are some interesting patterns such as Christ, Jesus, and savior being multiples of 8 and Jesus is 888. It fits nicely with the 8th day of the week being the new day, an octave being a new note, and with 8 people being saved in the Ark, etc.
That said, I wouldn't call that divination but a fact, or observation of a pattern.
As far as ED's English gematria, I think it is very subjective and it is just a matter of picking and choosing words that equal what you want it to equal. In other words, include groups of words that equal something significant, and ignore all the combinations that are not significant. This to me resides in the scope of normality which could be applied to any other book including the Koran and the “Origin of Species”.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 28 2010,11:12) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 28 2010,11:00) Hi BD. People have doubts and we are trying to help.
In the famous words of a father.Mark 9:23-24
23″ 'If you can'?” said Jesus. “Everything is possible for him who believes.”24 Immediately the boy's father exclaimed, “I do believe; help me overcome my unbelief!”
However, if someone is teaching that Jesus is not the messiah, then you can PM me or report their supporting post, and if so, I will move them to the “Skeptics Area”.
There is someone but I'm not going to point them out because you should know who they are already and you do. But once again you are being a hypocrite because I did in-fact teach that Jesus is The Messiah and you moved me to the sceptics section and you still support occult teachings that say that Satan was part of the Godhead and “I am”=Satan.Not to mention you still accept people who teach the trinity over people who teach that God is One.
So the number one violation in the entire bible is acceptable in the believers section. Jesus said the GREATEST COMMANDMENT is to Love the Lord God with all your heart , soul and mind and that The Lord God is ONE LORD and you help maintain the status of the TRINITY by making it valid in the believers section.
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2 Thessalonians 2:10-12Think about this my friend isn't it easier to be deceived by a half truth than it is for a completely opposing view? You have people teacing the trinity to others who are close to believing it or trying to understand it so that they can believe it if they turn to the trinity from studying it in your believers section you are partly responsible just as you felt compelled to remove Muslims from the believer section.
I have to ask you a critical question though which do you believe to be the worst offense?
Believing that Christ was saved from crucifixion
or Believing that God is triune?
BD.When Peter said “you are the Christ and the son of God”, Jesus endorsed his words to the degree that he built his Church on that truth. So I cannot allow any less than that.
Trinitarians believe Peter's words, but I agree that their added doctrine does contradict it, even if they do not realise it.
The point is that they believe and also believe in a conflicting doctrine and you do not believe at all. You also do not believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ, and they do. That is a bid deal.
There is a difference between someone who is caught up in Babylon and someone who doesn't believe who Jesus is.
This is my stance on the matter.
You believe the Koran that states “God has no son”. The Koran is in complete opposition to the scriptures in this matter.
If you were to change and believe God's testimony regarding his son, then we can talk more about this.
Quote (t8 @ Jan. 28 2010,11:13) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 27 2010,08:37) Is numerology divination an acceptable Christian practice?
I don't know anything about “numerology divination” but feel free to prove to me that this is what it is.However, I am rather perplexed at your post because you seem to be doing the same thing to support the Koran. I have even heard other Moslems posting about this subject in other boards. So are you saying that you engage in “numerology divination”?
I am of course completely sceptical regarding this subject whatever we call it.
But I do admit that the Aramaic, Greek, and Hebrew have the numerical system built into the alphabet and as such there are some interesting patterns such as Christ, Jesus, and savior being multiples of 8 and Jesus is 888. It fits nicely with the 8th day of the week being the new day, an octave being a new note, and with 8 people being saved in the Ark, etc.
That said, I wouldn't call that divination but a fact, or observation of a pattern.
As far as ED's English gematria, I think it is very subjective and it is just a matter of picking and choosing words that equal what you want it to equal. In other words, include groups of words that equal something significant, and ignore all the combinations that are not significant. This to me resides in the scope of normality which could be applied to any other book including the Koran and the “Origin of Species”.
Wow! selective aren't you? I wa showing that he was using numbers selectively and not according to his own system just like you are doing with your theological viewsQuote (t8 @ Jan. 28 2010,11:35) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 28 2010,11:12) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 28 2010,11:00) Hi BD. People have doubts and we are trying to help.
In the famous words of a father.Mark 9:23-24
23″ 'If you can'?” said Jesus. “Everything is possible for him who believes.”24 Immediately the boy's father exclaimed, “I do believe; help me overcome my unbelief!”
However, if someone is teaching that Jesus is not the messiah, then you can PM me or report their supporting post, and if so, I will move them to the “Skeptics Area”.
There is someone but I'm not going to point them out because you should know who they are already and you do. But once again you are being a hypocrite because I did in-fact teach that Jesus is The Messiah and you moved me to the sceptics section and you still support occult teachings that say that Satan was part of the Godhead and “I am”=Satan.Not to mention you still accept people who teach the trinity over people who teach that God is One.
So the number one violation in the entire bible is acceptable in the believers section. Jesus said the GREATEST COMMANDMENT is to Love the Lord God with all your heart , soul and mind and that The Lord God is ONE LORD and you help maintain the status of the TRINITY by making it valid in the believers section.
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2 Thessalonians 2:10-12Think about this my friend isn't it easier to be deceived by a half truth than it is for a completely opposing view? You have people teacing the trinity to others who are close to believing it or trying to understand it so that they can believe it if they turn to the trinity from studying it in your believers section you are partly responsible just as you felt compelled to remove Muslims from the believer section.
I have to ask you a critical question though which do you believe to be the worst offense?
Believing that Christ was saved from crucifixion
or Believing that God is triune?
BD.When Peter said “you are the Christ and the son of God”, Jesus endorsed his words to the degree that he built his Church on that truth. So I cannot allow any less than that.
Trinitarians believe Peter's words, but I agree that their added doctrine does contradict it, even if they do not realise it.
The point is that they believe and also believe in a conflicting doctrine and you do not believe at all. You also do not believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ, and they do. That is a bid deal.
There is a difference between someone who is caught up in Babylon and someone who doesn't believe who Jesus is.
This is my stance on the matter.
You believe the Koran that states “God has no son”. The Koran is in complete opposition to the scriptures in this matter.
If you were to change and believe God's testimony regarding his son, then we can talk more about this.
So you believe that believing that God is a multitude
is more important than believing that God's anointed servant Jesus is not his LITERAL son, right?The bible also calls David the Father of Christ, is David “GOD”?
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 28 2010,12:18) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 28 2010,11:13) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 27 2010,08:37) Is numerology divination an acceptable Christian practice?
I don't know anything about “numerology divination” but feel free to prove to me that this is what it is.However, I am rather perplexed at your post because you seem to be doing the same thing to support the Koran. I have even heard other Moslems posting about this subject in other boards. So are you saying that you engage in “numerology divination”?
I am of course completely sceptical regarding this subject whatever we call it.
But I do admit that the Aramaic, Greek, and Hebrew have the numerical system built into the alphabet and as such there are some interesting patterns such as Christ, Jesus, and savior being multiples of 8 and Jesus is 888. It fits nicely with the 8th day of the week being the new day, an octave being a new note, and with 8 people being saved in the Ark, etc.
That said, I wouldn't call that divination but a fact, or observation of a pattern.
As far as ED's English gematria, I think it is very subjective and it is just a matter of picking and choosing words that equal what you want it to equal. In other words, include groups of words that equal something significant, and ignore all the combinations that are not significant. This to me resides in the scope of normality which could be applied to any other book including the Koran and the “Origin of Species”.
Wow! selective aren't you? I wa showing that he was using numbers selectively and not according to his own system just like you are doing with your theological views
You both argued that numbers prove that your books contain mathematical patterns rightly or wrongly. I put you both in the same boat regarding this. How is that selective? No one was chastised for this, but you were both allowed to voice opinions of which I think no one really agreed.Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 28 2010,12:21) So you believe that believing that God is a multitude
is more important than believing that God's anointed servant Jesus is not his LITERAL son, right?The bible also calls David the Father of Christ, is David “GOD”?
The bible explicitly states that Jesus is the son of God. The Koran opposes this view.The bible states that the Father is God. Trinitarians agree.
The bible states that Jesus is the son of God. Trinitarians agree.
The bible states that the Father is the true God. Trinitarians agree.
Trinitarians teach that Jesus is one member of a triune God, the bible disagrees.When it boils down to it, calling Trinitarians non-believers is not appropriate. Sure they need to come out of the Babylonian teaching of the Trinity that crept in and is now established tradition, but God will judge (his people) if they do not come out of her. I believe in helping them see that the Father is not just the true God, but the only true God.
Whereas, I am never going to convince anyone who believes in Mohammed wholeheartedly that Jesus is the son of God. They first need to repent of his teachings that deny Jesus is the son of God before they can be considered a believer in Jesus as the messiah, head, and son of God.
BD, ask yourself what the word believer means. Then apply that term to Jesus who is called the Christ, the head, the way, the truth, the life, and the son of God. If someone believes that, then surely they are a believer. If they deny all or part of that, then they are not a believer in the true Jesus but are preaching ANOTHER Jesus.
2 Cor. 11:3-4
“But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted– you may well put up with it. (you will have to endure it, or you wear it beautifully, and some do).”Gal 1:6-9
“I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”Trinitarians believe that Jesus is God coequal to the Father it is a violation of the First commandment to not worship
any other godsTrinitarians have stated that the Holy Spirit is yet another God which is a violation of the first commandment
These are also what Jesus calls the greatest commandment.
The Bible says that Jesus is the Son of David, is David God?
Does Jesus have two Fathers?
Or does that designation or title son mean something different in both cases?
Also, in our debate I pointed out to you that accrding to God Himself, HE says ISRAEL is HIS FIRSTBORN Son
Monogenes was used with Isaac but we know that ISHMAEL was Abrahams FIRSTBORN SonBelieveing Jesus is The Christ is believing he is the son of God (just not in a physical sense)
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The Pious as Sons of God.The Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha contain a few passages in which the title “son of God” is given to the Messiah (see Enoch, cv. 2; IV Esdras vii. 28-29; xiii. 32, 37, 52; xiv. 9); but the title belongs also to any one whose piety has placed him in a filial relation to God (see Wisdom ii. 13, 16, 18; v. 5, where “the sons of God” are identical with “the saints”; comp. Ecclus. [Sirach] iv. 10). It is through such personal relations that the individual becomes conscious of God's fatherhood, and gradually in Hellenistic and rabbinical literature “sonship to God” was ascribed first to every Israelite and then to every member of the human race (Abot iii. 15, v. 20; Ber. v. 1; see Abba). The God-childship of man has been especially accentuated in modern Jewish theology, in sharp contradistinction to the Christian God-sonship of Jesus. The application of the term “son of God” to the Messiah rests chiefly on Ps. ii. 7, and the other Messianic passages quoted above.
The phrase “the only begotten son” (John iii. 16) is merely another rendering for “the beloved son.” The Septuagint translates (“thine only son”) of Gen. xxii. 2 by “thy beloved son.” But in this translation there is apparent a special use of the root , of frequent occurrence in rabbinical literature, as a synonym of (“choose,” “elect”; see Bacher, “Die Aelteste Terminologie der Jüdischen Schriftauslegung,” s.v.); the “only begotten” thus reverts to the attribute of the “servant” who is the “chosen” one.
Read more: http://jewishencyclopedia.com/view.js….77E828u
As far as Gal 1:6-9 Paul is referencing the Jews that preached the Law to the new converts notice he said “There be some troubling you” That is present context not future context.
As far as 2 Cor. 11:3-4 I agree with Paul understanding CHRIST is simple and CHRIST is sufficient with no needed extra elaboration and yet trinitarians has made understanding Christ difficult making him 100% man 100% God part of a trinity
equal to and not greater than God, they call him son of God and everlasting Father, come on T8 that is way to confusing and it's because it's not true.ALL are servants before GOD, God has no Partners or consorts. Is not Jesus Christ a Servant of God?
You simply don't understand the damage that trinity dogma has done to Christianity and hence why God sent the Quran down. Is Mary really the Queen of Heaven? It is part of the Trinity belief system because in it Mary is the Mother of God(What blasphemy!) Muhammad was sent the Quran during the time when this doctrine was full blown.
Today people worship Mary and why shouldn't they if her son is the literal son of God? God did not have relations with Mary, The birth of Jesus was a MIRACLE just like creating Adam.
You are still believing in the trinitarian system you have just stripped it down. When God said come out of her(Babylon) why do you remain supporting Babylon(supporting confusion) From the beginning of the Bible to the end the main goal and message is to Submit to GOD ALMIGHTY and now you have left your first love and put God Almighty second to His servant.
You like the trinitarians have made Christ into GOD. Your hypocrisy seems to know no bounds.
Quote (t8 @ Jan. 30 2010,22:21) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 28 2010,12:18) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 28 2010,11:13) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 27 2010,08:37) Is numerology divination an acceptable Christian practice?
I don't know anything about “numerology divination” but feel free to prove to me that this is what it is.However, I am rather perplexed at your post because you seem to be doing the same thing to support the Koran. I have even heard other Moslems posting about this subject in other boards. So are you saying that you engage in “numerology divination”?
I am of course completely sceptical regarding this subject whatever we call it.
But I do admit that the Aramaic, Greek, and Hebrew have the numerical system built into the alphabet and as such there are some interesting patterns such as Christ, Jesus, and savior being multiples of 8 and Jesus is 888. It fits nicely with the 8th day of the week being the new day, an octave being a new note, and with 8 people being saved in the Ark, etc.
That said, I wouldn't call that divination but a fact, or observation of a pattern.
As far as ED's English gematria, I think it is very subjective and it is just a matter of picking and choosing words that equal what you want it to equal. In other words, include groups of words that equal something significant, and ignore all the combinations that are not significant. This to me resides in the scope of normality which could be applied to any other book including the Koran and the “Origin of Species”.
Wow! selective aren't you? I wa showing that he was using numbers selectively and not according to his own system just like you are doing with your theological views
You both argued that numbers prove that your books contain mathematical patterns rightly or wrongly. I put you both in the same boat regarding this. How is that selective? No one was chastised for this, but you were both allowed to voice opinions of which I think no one really agreed.
No, you are wrong again.I told ED that the numbers game could be played to prove that he couldn't be consistent and then I showed him that according to his system he would have to accept Islam as being from God, God wanted him to see that and when ED saw it he immediately violated his own system.
It reminds me of the trinitarians you support they will say that God is 3 persons with 3 wills and yet they are one God and you have to violate your own belief system saying you guys believe in basically the same thing accept that they are not even describing God at all.
But I guess that's how it goes they the polytheists won't listen to you and you won't listen to me a pure Monotheist
Hi J42,
You wrote in another thread“You know the post I am speaking of which you completely ignored. Is that love for the truth?
These are the last days, with so little time. Every one who rejects the Word of God will have his part with the hypocrites. Do you understand this? You claimed in the other post that you did not agree, so in other words what I posted was false?, false information being fed to the flock? a very BIG ACCUSATION. with no reasons why. God will not look lightly on this.Dont make this about ME like the other hypocrite is trying to do. You want to join with him to add to my affliction?, then you will most definately be forced to drink of the same cup he will be given. Don't fool yourself. God sees everything how his word is being handled. It's VERY SERIOUS.”
Who is this person are maligning and why?
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