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Is Robbie the modern Saul of Tarsus?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4701663a1860.html
Or it could be Joseph Smith, or L. Ron Hubbard.
Stuart
Quote (t8 @ Jan. 15 2009,07:54) Don't forget Charles Darwin. His is one of the most popular religions in the west.
Glad to see you preparing to celebrate Darwin Day on February 12th. His 200th birthday and this year marks the 150th anniversary of the first publication of the Origin of Species, a great work not even scratched by the biggest lying creationist in all christendom.Stuart
Hey kejonn.
You must feel silly.
You beleived in God and his son. Now you debunk this as a myth.
Conclusion: You were once in the cartoon above, or you have fallen away from the truth.
Either one isn't really favorable to you, is it?
Quote (t8 @ Jan. 25 2009,03:39) Hey kejonn. You must feel silly.
Not really. I only feel silly on Tuesdays from 2:00 – 2:05 PM.
Quote You beleived in God and his son. Now you debunk this as a myth. Not any gods, just the one of the bible. As soon as you show me he is any more real than any other gods of history, we'll have a real point of conversation.
Quote Conclusion: You were once in the cartoon above, or you have fallen away from the truth.Conclusion: You were once in the cartoon above, or you have fallen away from the truth. I was both characters. At first, I was th eone with the stone. Later, I was the one that was hit with the stone.
How is it that you call what you believe “the truth”? Can you show me how what you believe is “truth” without showing me how what a Hindu believes is not? Both belief systems are “true” in the minds of the adherents, and each adherent formulates his/her own version of that “truth” This board proves as much. Your “truth” does not match that of WJ, yet you both argue back and forth about who is right about the god of the bible.
Can you tell me how your “truth” about Jesus and Yahweh is right while WJ's version is wrong? Its been a few years and neither of you has budged.
Quote Either one isn't really favorable to you, is it?
Favorable in what way?Q: Favorable in what way?
A: Well it is not favorable to be deceived or dedicate one's life to something that is not true as that equates to wasting your time which is a finite resource. Think of it as working for nothing.
Either way, you have, or you are dedicating part of your life to something that isn't true. Would you for example work for the next 5 years to promote the theory that the earth is a triangle. If your answer is no, it is most likely because you don't want to waste your time and life with something that is not true. In other words your life isn't worth spent fighting for something that isn't worth fighting for.
Given that you have batted for both teams. i.e., belief and non-belief. The reality is that at least one of these periods of your life was work done in vain.
Just a fair observation based on non-promotion of either stance.
Now for my stance. Sure it would be fair to say that I to have wasted part of my life by reason of being a non-believer for 20 years and a believer for about the same period, except for me the order is reversed. I was a non-believer who became a believer. But the wages that we all receive at the end of our lives will be based on our work and our standing with God when we pass into the next world. That would mean that all the work you have done in the past will have been lost due to you walking away from the plough before pay day.
To me that is a waste. But I hope that you do receive some payment, by staying employed to some degree.
Quote (t8 @ Jan. 25 2009,16:37) Q: Favorable in what way? A: Well it is not favorable to be deceived or dedicate one's life to something that is not true as that equates to wasting your time which is a finite resource. Think of it as working for nothing.
Are you speaking of me, or you? Because all you have is the bible. A book. Written by men, decided upon by men. Many failed books were written and approved by humans.
Quote Either way, you have, or you are dedicating part of your life to something that isn't true. Quite. 20 years of Christianity, very little of it verifiable.
Quote Would you for example work for the next 5 years to promote the theory that the earth is a triangle. No because science proves otherwise.
Quote If your answer is no, it is most likely because you don't want to waste your time and life with something that is not true. In other words your life isn't worth spent fighting for something that isn't worth fighting for. Given that you have batted for both teams. i.e., belief and non-belief. The reality is that at least one of these periods of your life was work done in vain.
Yes, I agree. 20 years of Christianity, most if it in vain.
Quote Just a fair observation based on non-promotion of either stance. Now for my stance. Sure it would be fair to say that I to have wasted part of my life by reason of being a non-believer for 20 years and a believer for about the same period, except for me the order is reversed. I was a non-believer who became a believer. But the wages that we all receive at the end of our lives will be based on our work and our standing with God when we pass into the next world.
That would make some sense, yet you have yet to show any evidence that your god exists.
Quote That would mean that all the work you have done in the past will have been lost due to you walking away from the plough before pay day. Such is life. We all make mistakes, some last for years. No sense in dwelling upon past mistakes.
Quote To me that is a waste. But I hope that you do receive some payment, by staying employed to some degree.
Huh?Hi Kejonn.
I think you missed my point.
If you agree that pursuing something that is not true such as preaching that the earth is a triangle is a waste of time, then all I am saying is that you consider your life and works as a believer was a waste of time in the same way because you were pursuing something that you now consider false.
So either you wasted that part of your life and now you are free to do whatever, or you are throwing in the towel and in doing so, giving up on any reward that you had coming for your labor in Christ.
So my observation stands.
However, your comment answers this: “Such is life. We all make mistakes, some last for years. No sense in dwelling upon past mistakes.”
So it is obvious that you consider this part of your life a mistake and now you are denying Christ before men because you believe that the gospel of Jesus Christ is a load of old coblers.
One question, if you consider that you were wrong then, would that not open the possibility that you are wrong now? That indeed you are giving up on eternal life?
what on earth posses one to become a christian at twenty years old…is twenty years old an age you can be secure of your own wisdom and understanding…to enter a contract for the rest of life in return for eternal life?
How come you would pursue something that was once not been true, or real…but now is?
if something is true it will true from the start…this should be how we understand where the men are creators?….why would God wait twenty years to do his thing and reveal himself in your Life….why would he be happy to leave us in a state of danger…even to die eternally unless there truthfully was no real danger?. this is pored and pasted on our own very young souls….even twenty…..how many suddenly become Christians in their forty's….smile….or stop going to church…I had so much forced on me as a child I was terrified of Life.
why did they do that to me?: for the same reason they convince a twenty year old.
I have evidence of being very little….my initials are carved in the back of a pew seat… using a coin while waiting out the first part of sermon..and the passing offering plate to come.many have done something wrong in life and with that they have sin as an entry to bribe the soul….sin is the lock…emotions are the key…..we all have experienced the same way of early first communication…..before a child understand the volume of words they are stirred and controlled by a parents pouring all the emotions of fear.. Love.. hate….making all vulnerable…..this is the way religion has its hold or grip on anyone for or against it….by cashing in on the earliest life control skills…. we need some waking up…too…many are purchased for some period of life.
the Jesus experience is all based on emotional…which has been the “first” and past way of communication….we are well trained to react to parents and others emotional estate..smile…yet small children learn and even able in understanding words they are still rely on the emotional to control their moods….the subconscious… call it the left side of the brain!
-charityQuote One question, if you consider that you were wrong then, would that not open the possibility that you are wrong now? That indeed you are giving up on eternal life? Quote An honest but mistaken man, once shown the truth, either ceases to be mistaken or ceases to be honest. Your quote somehow seems connected.
wisdom is under the sun….the grave once called sleep…returning once meant a new body has thou prepared for me and my soul.. why did they change in the midst of time?
where did all the extra IDEAS in the NT COME FROM?DEAR WHOEVER,
Its not about making nuisances of ourselves
-charity
Ecc 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do [it] with thy might; for [there is] no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.
Ecc 9:11 I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race [is] not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.
Ecc 9:12 For man also knoweth not his time: as the fishes that are taken in an evil net, and as the birds that are caught in the snare; so [are] the sons of men snared in an evil time, when it falleth suddenly upon them.
Ecc 9:13 This wisdom have I seen also under the sun, and it [seemed] great unto me:
Quote (t8 @ Jan. 25 2009,21:25) Hi Kejonn. I think you missed my point.
If you agree that pursuing something that is not true such as preaching that the earth is a triangle is a waste of time, then all I am saying is that you consider your life and works as a believer was a waste of time in the same way because you were pursuing something that you now consider false.
It wasn't a waste of time in that there were good times and bad times, such as any human would have. The thing I regret is spending so much time thinking I was among the “elite” on this earth and missing out on relationships with fellow humans who weren't Christians.
I am not one to dwell too much on the past. What's done is done. I have the future to look forward to.
Quote So either you wasted that part of your life and now you are free to do whatever, or you are throwing in the towel and in doing so, giving up on any reward that you had coming for your labor in Christ. That's one viewpoint. What if you are working towards the wrong thing? What if Islam is correct and you are cast in Muslim hell for failing to acknowledge Mohammed as the last true prophet? If that is the case, you and I will be in the same hell.
I've Converted To EVERY Religion (Just In Case)
Quote So my observation stands. It is simply that, and biased as well.
Quote However, your comment answers this: “Such is life. We all make mistakes, some last for years. No sense in dwelling upon past mistakes.” So it is obvious that you consider this part of your life a mistake and now you are denying Christ before men because you believe that the gospel of Jesus Christ is a load of old coblers.
Outside of the bible, can you show me how the gospel of Jesus is anything else? You might be able to gather testimony of changed lives, but for every one I can find another on the part of a Muslim, Jew, Hindu, Taoist, Sikh, Hari Christnah, Bahai, Pagan, Heathen, etc.
Quote One question, if you consider that you were wrong then, would that not open the possibility that you are wrong now? That indeed you are giving up on eternal life?
Would you? Would you consider that Pascal's Wager — what you are now positing — is full of holes and that you should take the same path that Edward Current does in the above video? You should really convert to every religion, just in case. Gandhi tried, maybe he got one of them right.OK kejonn.
Thanks for your explanations.
It is quite clear that you have denied/divorced Christ and believe you have done the right thing.
Our lives are examples for others as to what we should and shouldn't do.
Let every man exercise wisdom with regards to your example.
Quote (kejonn @ Jan. 26 2009,20:07) You should really convert to every religion, just in case. Gandhi tried, maybe he got one of them right.
I don't want to convert to any religion. I believe in God, his son, and heaven. I drank from the river of life and it tasted good. I don't need these religions. They are a waste of time.It is not as if I am fumbling in the dark trying to chance on the right way. I am not in darkness, so that is pointless to me.
Quote (t8 @ Jan. 26 2009,17:55) Quote (kejonn @ Jan. 26 2009,20:07) You should really convert to every religion, just in case. Gandhi tried, maybe he got one of them right.
I don't want to convert to any religion. I believe in God, his son, and heaven. I drank from the river of life and it tasted good. I don't need these religions. They are a waste of time.It is not as if I am fumbling in the dark trying to chance on the right way. I am not in darkness, so that is pointless to me.
But you asked “One question, if you consider that you were wrong then, would that not open the possibility that you are wrong now? That indeed you are giving up on eternal life?”Are you open to the possibility that you are wrong? What if there is a true god out there who is very much unlike the god of the bible, and this god is angry at all who believe in it? You can never know. After all, if the god the bible can be jealous, maybe the true god is too.
kejonn The Bible has been proven by past prophecies that have happend and had been fortold by the Apostels. You can take the time table, Prophecy that you might want to look up, you can prove that the Bible is the word of God. There are several articles on prophecy here, so start proving.
Kejonn I wonder why you come back if you don't believe anymore?
IreneQuote (Cindy @ Jan. 26 2009,19:42) kejonn The Bible has been proven by past prophecies that have happend and had been fortold by the Apostels. You can take the time table, Prophecy that you might want to look up, you can prove that the Bible is the word of God. There are several articles on prophecy here, so start proving.
Kejonn I wonder why you come back if you don't believe anymore?
Irene
What prophecies? You can't use the New Testament as proof that prophecies of the Old Testament took place. That would be like taking the last book of a fictional trilogy to prove the first book.As to “coming back”, I posted a humorous cartoon and t8 commented on it. Had he left it alone, I would likely have not responded.
Nostradamus made several vague prophecies that can be said to have been fulfilled as well. Why is that?
the best way to create the future is to predict it…
for filling a predictor is well in the hands of men…even respective of justified liars gains…God doesn't have to come out of hiding to do weak things… so…by the way any one that predicts that god himself shall come out of haven and destroy all the disobedient adversary's has never had his predictions fulfilled… because God is Nature and not vindictive but consistent in earths life everlasting.
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