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Hi Adam, how you doing?
Here is some info for you and any other fellow Bereans,
concerning the phrase
“The word was with God“Look at the first few sections of these two articles for the info.
Hope they help …
Hi Pastor Adam,
Thank you brother for giving me the links on the 'word' of Jn1:1.
I agree with most of your collections on your website 'Adoni Messiah'
Do continue in this research to beat the false interpreters of the scriptures.
Please send some mateiral in hard copy I will give my address in PM.
Take care
Adam
IndiaQuote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2008,14:19) Hi GM,
For US there is one God.
Hi Nick but for you there are more than one. Am I correct?Hi Gm,
God poured of His Spirit into Jesus.
Jesus died and his own spirit returned to God as with all men[Eccl 12]
The abiding faithful Spirit of God raised the Son of God who returned to God and poured that Spirit into us.I agree with you almost except that 'abiding faithful spirit of God' ,what is that exactly and why another title to Spirit of God (Spirit of anointing).
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2008,21:21) Hi Gm,
God poured of His Spirit into Jesus.
Jesus died and his own spirit returned to God as with all men[Eccl 12]
The abiding faithful Spirit of God raised the Son of God who returned to God and poured that Spirit into us.
Hi Nick,Did God pour out his spirit into Jesus, or was God manifest in the flesh?
Hi Silva,
God can not become man as it is against His nature that is immortal. ” God is not a man nor son of man”Hi Gollamudi,
Scripture says he was manifest in the flesh. Not my words. You can find that in 1 Tim 3:16.
Quote (gsilva72 @ June 06 2008,02:04) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2008,21:21) Hi Gm,
God poured of His Spirit into Jesus.
Jesus died and his own spirit returned to God as with all men[Eccl 12]
The abiding faithful Spirit of God raised the Son of God who returned to God and poured that Spirit into us.
Hi Nick,Did God pour out his spirit into Jesus, or was God manifest in the flesh?
Hi Gs,
Both.
God was manifest in Jesus as His Spirit.
Jesus explained it in Jn 14 and Thomas was there and understood as his later statement showed. God is also in us as Spirit to will and to do.Quote (gollamudi @ June 05 2008,22:10) I agree with you almost except that 'abiding faithful spirit of God' ,what is that exactly and why another title to Spirit of God (Spirit of anointing).
Hi GM,
John 14:17
that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.1 John 3:24
The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.1 John 4:13
By this we know that we abide in Him and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit.1 John 3:9
No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.1 John 4:12
No one has seen God at any time; if we love one another, God abides in us, and His love is perfected in us.1 John 4:15
Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.1 John 4:16
We have come to know and have believed the love which God has for us God is love, and the one who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him.2 John 1:9
Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son.Romans 8:11
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.Hebrews 13:5
Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.Even in death the Spirit abides in us.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 06 2008,06:47) Quote (gsilva72 @ June 06 2008,02:04) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2008,21:21) Hi Gm,
God poured of His Spirit into Jesus.
Jesus died and his own spirit returned to God as with all men[Eccl 12]
The abiding faithful Spirit of God raised the Son of God who returned to God and poured that Spirit into us.
Hi Nick,Did God pour out his spirit into Jesus, or was God manifest in the flesh?
Hi Gs,
Both.
God was manifest in Jesus as His Spirit.
Jesus explained it in Jn 14 and Thomas was there and understood as his later statement showed. God is also in us as Spirit to will and to do.
Really?Then why did the masses praise God in heaven for giving such wisdom and power to a man – Jesus Christ.
Did they not recognize in Jesus what you are purposing?
Hi Not3,
Rightly they should praise God for manifesting in a human vessel.
Rightly they should have honoured the servant Jesus and the faithful prophets..
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 06 2008,07:20) Rightly they should praise God for mainfesting in a human vessel.
This is a huge S T R E T C H!“God manifesting in a human vessel” as per Jesus, and as per your theology, is a bit different than the Spirit that is in each believer.
Hi not3,
Phil2
' 13For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. 'Phil3
'17That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,18May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
19And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God. '
How?Eph2
'22In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.'Quote (Adam Pastor @ June 05 2008,19:47) Hi Adam, how you doing? Here is some info for you and any other fellow Bereans,
concerning the phrase
“The word was with God“Look at the first few sections of these two articles for the info.
Hope they help …
Hi APThere are plenty of bereans that may not agree with your view.
Anyway, your first link had this statement.
Quote “According to the findings of a recent monumental study of the origin of Christ in the Bible (Karl-Josef Kuschel, Born Before All Time? The Dispute over Christ’s Origin, New York: Crossroad, 1992) Bible-readers instinctively “hear” the text as follows: “In the beginning was Jesus and Jesus was with God and Jesus was God.” “ This truly is misrepresentation of the Trinitarian view seeing that Yeshua was not given a name until he came in the flesh in vrs 14.
However we do believe that according to Johns own words Yeshua was the preincarnate Word.
And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word (Logos) of God. Rev 19:13
Many scholars believe the book of revelation was written about 20 years before the Gospel of John.
John simply borrowed the term “Word” from his heavenly vision to describe the preincarnate Yeshua.
In fact John also writes about Yeshua “The Word” here…
That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; (For the life was manifested, (John 1:4, 14) and we have seen [it], and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;) That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship [is] with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. 1 Jn 1:1-3
The language here clearly shows Yeshua as the Life and the Word that was with the Father in John 1:1-3 and was manifested to us in John 1:14.
Arians for years have sought to change the text to read…
In the beginning was the spoken word and the spoken word was with God and the spoken word was God.
For this to be true then God would have had to speak himself in to existence.
Just another ambiguous attempt to deny the Deity of Yeshua.
Here is a better understanding of the interpretation of the Word in John 1:1…
Click here……> The Word was God
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