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Hi sscott,
I will post it again
“The diagram at the bottom is used to describe the Triune Nature of God:Now for Jesus to be like us in humanity and temptation it would seem that there would have to have been the possibility of failure. The reason He is able to be a High Priest who can sympathize with us is because he was tempted in every way as we are and did not give in.
Hebrews 4:15
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.Christ was Victorious.
So I have two questions:
1) How does this Diagram of God’s nature allow for Christ to have the possibility of failure. Is it even possible?
2) If Christ, the Son, would have failed how would that have affected the Godhead / nature of God.”
God does not entertain failure but gave His Son the option to go with Him, or oppose Him as Satan did. He who is the “wisdom of God” made all the right choices. His utter humility and the knowledge gained from his avid love of scripture allowed him to grasp the will of God and for God to completely rule in him, which brought about the cascade of enabling helps from God, to make walking in the steps appointed to him easier.
Right…but “if” the Son had failed God would still be God. But if the Trinity diagram is right then something would have happened to God Himself because of the oneness of being.
So if the trinity Diagram is right then there is no possiblity for Christ to have failed or to have sinned.
Matt Slick (www.carm.org) says:
Quote Therefore, I conclude that Jesus could not have sinned, but that He could be tempted; that is, He could have a sinful option presented to Him — as was presented to God in the wilderness — yet Jesus would not have sinned. If Christ could not have sinned then how could he be a high priest who could sympathise with us?
Or…am I just looking at this all wrong?
Hi sscott,
We know little about his childhood suggesting God turns a blind eye to the follies of infancy. We only know of his choices against sin made after he was infilled by the powerful Spirit of God. He had to learn. He was a living vessel for God and had choices as shown in the garden. But he knew what would be his reward having remembered his glory with the Father, and judging all else as worthwhile because of the awaiting reward.Heb 5
” 8Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;9And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;”
Quote Hi W,
Indeed all the angels of God worship at the feet of the gloriified Son of God and they serve us to who are in him.Nick!
Unscriptural thats not what the scripture says!
Read the following and believe it like it says it!
KJV
Heb 1:6 6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world,
he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.NKJV
But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:
“Let all the angels of God worship Him.”*NIV
And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,
“Let all God's angels worship him.”*ESV
And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says,
“Let all God's angels worship him.”NASB
And when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says, “AND LET ALL THE ANGELS OF GOD WORSHIP HIM.”RSV
And again, when he brings the first-born into the world, he says, “Let all God's angels worship him.”ASV
And when he again bringeth in the firstborn into the world he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.YLT
and when again He may bring in the first-born to the world, He saith, `And let them bow before him — all messengers of God;'DT
and again, when he brings in the firstborn into the habitable world, he says, And let all God's angels worship him.WEB
And again, when he bringeth in the first-begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.HNv
Again, when he brings in the firstborn into the world he says, “Let all the angels of God worship him.”
Hi W,
So God is telling the angels to worship Jesus.
So Jesus was not worshiped by the angels before then?
Then how can he be their God in heaven?
What of his deity you speak of?Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 10 2006,06:16) Quote Hi WJ, How do you explain that:
Aaron and Joshua called Moses “Lord”
Rebecca called the Servant of Abraham “Lord.”
Jacob many times called Esau “Lord.”
Sarah certainly called Abraham “Lord.”
Joseph was called “Lord” by his brothers… and that's just in Genesis.Num 11:28 And Joshua the son of Nun, the servant of Moses, [one] of his young men, answered and said, My lord Moses, forbid them
Num 11:29 And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the LORD'S people were prophets, [and] that the LORD would put his spirit upon them!
• Gen 42:6 And Joseph [was] the governor over the land, [and] he [it was] that sold to all the people of the land: and Joseph's brethren came, and BOWED DOWN themselves before him [with] their faces to the earth.
• 1Sa 20:41 [And] as soon as the lad was gone, David arose out of [a place] toward the south, and FELL ON HIS FACE to the ground, and BOWED HIMSELF three times: and they kissed one another, and wept one with another, until David exceeded
• 1Sa 24:8 David also arose afterward, and went out of the cave, and cried after Saul, saying, My lord the king. And when Saul looked behind him, David stooped with his face to the earth, and BOWED himself.
• 1Ki 1:23 And they told the king, saying, Behold Nathan the prophet. And when he was come in before the king, he bowed himself before the king with his face to the ground.
• 1Ki 1:47 And moreover the king's servants came to bless our lord king David, saying, God make the name of Solomon better than thy name, and make his throne greater than thy throne. And the king bowed himself upon the bed.Were all these people violating scripture or giving honor to whom honor is due?
I can call Jesus Lord and not be found to break scripture because I worship the God and Father of our Lord Jesus who commands I bow the knee to his son whom he has made Lord over all his works.
The Trinity on the other hand violates the scriptures you quote because they ADD to God and have another equal to and beside him. Jesus being my Lord to the glory of the Father and my bowing my knee to him as the son of God, does not violate scripture because I recognize his Father only as the Most High God.
Hey Cubes!
First of all. Where do you see the Father or Jehovah YWYH commanding Angels to worship Moses, or Aaron or David or any of the Prophets or Kings.
Secondly, Did Moses come from God? Did any of the prophets or priest or kings come from God or was in the bosom of the Father?
Thirdly, were they there when all things were created by Him and for him?
We have a new covenant by which Agency as it was practiced in the Old does not apply!
A New and a Living way!
Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? Because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
[3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
[4] For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
[6] In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
[7] Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.We no longer do we need an agent as Moses and all those under the law who had to approach God thru them! We are born sons Because God came in the Flesh,. And now we approach him through the veil of his flesh having our conscience sprinkled by the blood of the Lamb Jesus the Word made Flesh so that we can com BOLDLY into the throne room of Grace!
Jesus the word made flesh now has all power and All of the fullness of the Godhead dwells in him!Moses or Aaron or any of the Old Testament Kings, Priest or Prophets, could not make that claim!
You Say”
The Trinity on the other hand violates the scriptures you quote because they ADD to God and have another equal to and beside him. Jesus being my Lord to the glory of the Father and my bowing my knee to him as the son of God, does not violate scripture because I recognize his”Cubes, we don’t add to God, we simply say that the Logos was with God and the Logos was God!
You take away from the scriptures. And also add by saying God is a Spirit who has a Spirit who has no personality, even though the Spirit thinks, speaks, hears, feels and sees. The Spirit can be grieved, quenched, blasphemed and lied to.
But to fit your foolish Arius views of the Godhead. You deny the scriptures referring to the Holy Spirit as *He* saying that it is simply Jesus making an inference to the Spirit!
Lies! We accept the fact that it is a mystery in which the human intellect cannot fully understand until we see him as he is!
But we don’t deny any of the scriptures or wrest them as you do!
The Father God and the Logos(God) in Jesus and the Holy Spirit From the Father through Jesus are ONE!
God is in Christ reconciling the world unto himself!
Hi WJ:You wrote:
Quote First of all. Where do you see the Father or Jehovah YWYH commanding Angels to worship Moses, or Aaron or David or any of the Prophets or Kings. I don't see the Father commanding angels to worship Moses, Aaron or David. It is the Father's prerogative to command his angels to do HIS will. In this case, he commanded they worship HIS son, according to HIS WILL and the order of HIS universe! Does that require that the Son be the ONE Most High God? Notice that it is the Father who commands… therefore his will… therefore obedience is to His will.
Here are the important questions, WJ:
How did the angels worship the son? And how do they worship the Father? Let's examine some of those scriptures.
Here are what I can think of at the moment:This angel acknowledges only God as God… He acknowledges Jesus as Lord. There is no reason the angel should not have recognized his God Jesus and worshiped him accordingly (he had no trouble recognizing and acknowledging him as Lord!), IF in fact, Jesus was God as you say. Although we know he laid aside his glory and came as a servant, should that act have nullify his true identity as to make him unrecognizable or the due worship of him as God “illegal” while visiting earth?
Likely not. The angel didn't address him as God Almighty because he was and is not, being rather the one and only Son of God. The angel addressed him as Lord, because as Christ and the Son of God, he is Lord and what's more, was going to become the Lord of ALL after the cross (his exaltation. Phil 2:9f below).
- Luke 2:10 Then the angel said to them, “Do
not be afraid, for behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy which will be to all people. 11 For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord. 12 And this will be the sign to you: You will find a Babe wrapped in swaddling cloths, lying in a manger.”13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God and saying:14 “GLORY TO GOD IN THE HIGHEST,
And on earth peace, goodwill toward men!”15 So it was, when the angels had gone away from them into heaven, that the shepherds said to one another, “Let us now go to Bethlehem and see this thing that has come to pass, which the Lord has made known to us.”
- Phil 2:9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
When I bow my knee to Jesus and confess that he is Lord:
a. I recognize he who has highly exalted and made his son Lord, and submit to that one as God Most High.b. I acknowledge that Jesus is Lord because his Father has decreed it be so and it is.
c. I know that Jesus is found by his Father to be worthy and is worthy.
The Trinity on the other hand does not recognize this pattern of events (even though it gives lip service to them) because its Jesus as Almighty God, was always highly exalted and found worthy even outside the life, death, resurrection and ascension as shown in the scriptures. Trinity makes all these assumptions based on the unknowns, while ignoring what is very much known!
Moment of Truth. To HIM who sits on the Throne:
Rev 5: 8 The four living creatures, each having six wings, were full of eyes around and within. [/b]And they do not rest day or night, saying:“Holy,* holy, holy,
Lord God Almighty,
Who was and is and is to come!”9 Whenever the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to Him who sits on the throne, who lives forever and ever, 10 the twenty-four elders fall down before Him who sits on the throne and worship Him who lives forever and ever, and CAST THEIR CROWNS BEFORE THE THRONE, SAYING:
11 “You are worthy, *O Lord,
To receive glory and honor and power;
For YOU CREATED ALL THINGS,
And BY YOUR WILL THEY EXIST AND WERE CREATED.”To the Lamb:
Rev 5:8 Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9 And they sang a new song, saying:“You are worthy to take the scroll,
And to open its seals;
For You were slain,
And have redeemed us to God by Your blood
Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,
10 And have made *us kings* and priests to our God;
And *we shall reign on the earth.”
…Rev 5:8 Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9 And they sang a new song, saying:
“You are worthy to take the scroll,
And to open its seals;
For You were slain,
And have redeemed us to God by Your blood
Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,
10 And have made *us kings* and priests to our God;
And *we shall reign on the earth.”11 Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands, 12 saying with a loud voice:
“Worthy is the Lamb who was slain
To receive power and riches and wisdom,
And strength and honor and glory and blessing!”To Both the Father and the Son: And please note WHO IT IS that is said to actually sit on the Throne, who has ownership and the preeminence in all contexts:
Rev 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying:“Blessing and honor and glory and power
Be to Him who sits on the throne,
And to the Lamb, forever and ever!”14 Then the four living creatures said, “Amen!” And the *twenty-four elders fell down and worshiped *Him who lives forever and ever.
These two DO NOT one God make, I don't care how you serve it.
The host of heaven Worship their God as the CREATOR of the universe by whose will they exist. He alone is said to live forever and ever; the ultimate Throne is his. He alone is said to be “holy, holy, holy” being worshiped DAY and NIGHT, having crowns cast before him…
Jesus, the glorious son of God, is worshiped for different reasons… unlike he who lives forever and ever…; the Lamb of God was slain and did die though lives now forever, even as we shall live because he lives and redeems us by his shed blood to our God. Jesus is worshiped for this, but never, as our Living God.
In this regard, we see that Jesus has the highest honor outside of the Father, in his unique position, and like Joseph, Moses, Saul, David, etc we can honor him without fear because the Father has highly exalted him to his majestic RIGHT HAND (For the Father remains on THE THRONE) and there is only one such place reserved for the only one who was found worthy to open the seals: Jesus Christ, at the right hand of the Power/Highest.
Now consider how the mother of James and John then wanted to have her sons sit at the left and right hand of Jesus, and how Jesus said it is actually not for him to decide! Oh yes, there is only one God and Father, WJ. Acknowledge him alone as such and accept his son, as his son and stop kicking the goads.
If James and John are not one, and not Jesus, then Jesus is certainly not the Father on whose right hand he sits. And if not the Father, then is he not the Living God, his being or personality.
Now let me tackle your other questions/comments.
WJ,
Quote Secondly, Did Moses come from God? Did any of the prophets or priest or kings come from God or was in the bosom of the Father? Thirdly, were they there when all things were created by Him and for him?
We have a new covenant by which Agency as it was practiced in the Old does not apply!
Were dogs there when men were created? Does that make dogs our God?
Was the grass there before cattle? Yes.
Were there angels present when man was created? Yes… but that does not make them our God.
Jesus is the Son of our God and our own brother according to the spirit which gives life to us all.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 10 2006,06:16) Thirdly, were they there when all things were created by Him and for him?
Hi again WJ:The context:
Rom 8:16-17 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that WE ARE THE CHILDREN OF GOD:
And IF CHILDREN, THEN HEIRS; HEIRS OF GOD, AND JOINT-HEIRS WITH CHRIST; IF so be that we SUFFER WITH [HIM], that we may be also GLORIFIED TOGETHER.Rom 8:32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 10 2006,06:16) We have a new covenant by which Agency as it was practiced in the Old does not apply! A New and a Living way!
Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? Because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
[3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
[4] For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
[6] In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
[7] Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.We no longer do we need an agent as Moses and all those under the law who had to approach God thru them! We are born sons Because God came in the Flesh,. And now we approach him through the veil of his flesh having our conscience sprinkled by the blood of the Lamb Jesus the Word made Flesh so that we can com BOLDLY into the throne room of Grace!
Jesus the word made flesh now has all power and All of the fullness of the Godhead dwells in him!Moses or Aaron or any of the Old Testament Kings, Priest or Prophets, could not make that claim!
Hi WJ,What according to the scriptures is the main job of a priest or a highpriest? How can you say then that it is God who came in the flesh…
How is God his own son and Father, his own highpriest and God? His own sacrificial lamb and the one to whom spiritual sacrifices are made? Isn't it much easier to conclude then that bottomline, “the earth is YHWH's and all the fullness thereof!” He owns the cattle on a thousand hills… and we together with Jesus belong to him?
Hbr 10:21 And [having] an high priest over the house of God;
Hi Nick,
He is a priest as a man born of Mary, true man from true women…..he became a true priest…
If only the simple logic applied to his most important nature…. the *ONLY* true Son of God….true God from true Father. Not a part of the created realm but true Son!
The Father and Son are *ONE* scripture says this in every way possible!
To deny the Son is to deny the Father, it is to insult the Fatherhood of the Father to say that his Son’s nature is any different to the Fathers *own self*
After all if you could Father a Son without the aid from a woman, i.e from your very own chromosomes, DNA and genome…. He would be the exact image of you!
Now if your Son humbled himself from the form he existed with you to do something totally amazing and you had the power to glorify him back to the form he previously shared with you….would you do it?? Especially if he humbled himself to glorify you?The babes should be able to reveal WHAT the Son is, if the Father has in fact revealed the Son to them.
Mat 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, AND HAST REVEALED THEM UNTO BABES.
Mat 11:26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.
Mat 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mat 11:30 FOR MY YOKE IS EASY, AND MY BURDEN IS LIGHT.Or is he just a man…
Is it good enough to believe Yahshua **IS JUST A PRIEST***…..Joh 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I AM FROM ABOVE: ye are of this world; I AM NOT OF THIS WORLD.
Joh 8:24 I said therefore unto you, THAT YE SHALL DIE IN YOUR SINS: for if ye believe not that I AM HE, YE SHALL DIE IN YOUR SINS.Mat 10:32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 10:33 BUT WHOSOEVER SHALL DENY ME BEFORE MEN, HIM WILL I ALSO DENY BEFORE MY FATHER WHICH IS IN HEAVEN.
Mat 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Mat 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.Blessings
Hi SS,
You say
“The Father and Son are *ONE* scripture says this in every way possible!”
Actually it says this.Jn 17
” 20Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
24Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. ”
The unity the Father and son enjoy is the same we can enjoy with them.
We do not become God do we?The Son was given glory.
He is the image of God.The Son was a priest unto God.
God is his father.
His Father is His God.Hi SS,
You say
“After all if you could Father a Son without the aid from a woman, i.e from your very own chromosomes, DNA and genome…. He would be the exact image of you!”
So?
Clones exist as identical twins.
Are they separate beings?
Do they have life in themselves and separate wills able to make independant choices?
Such things define a being and the Son of God had these separate abilities as sons of fathers do.Not every image is as a clone.
A mirror shows two dimensions and not three.
The moon reflects the Sun but is not equal in power and abilities.Do not deny the Son of God.
Your salvation depends on him.Hi SS
You say
“Joh 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I AM FROM ABOVE: ye are of this world; I AM NOT OF THIS WORLD.
Joh 8:24 I said therefore unto you, THAT YE SHALL DIE IN YOUR SINS: for if ye believe not that I AM HE, YE SHALL DIE IN YOUR SINS.Mat 10:32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 10:33 BUT WHOSOEVER SHALL DENY ME BEFORE MEN, HIM WILL I ALSO DENY BEFORE MY FATHER WHICH IS IN HEAVEN.
Mat 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Mat 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. “You say
“To deny the Son is to deny the Father, it is to insult the Fatherhood of the Father to say that his Son’s nature is any different to the Fathers *own self*
It is rather more insulting to God to deny he was ever a Father as your “incomplete eternal generation” theory suggests, I would guess.
But it is not you that says that Jesus is God and SON OF GOD is just a label?
Should you not confess the Son before men and God, his Father?Hi SS,
You say
“He is a priest as a man born of Mary, true man from true women…..he became a true priest…”
True.
Heb 5
” 7During the days of Jesus' life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. 8Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered 9and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him 10and was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek.”And that priesthood unto God remains forever.
Heb 6
20Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Hebrews 7:17
For it is declared: “You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.”
Hebrews 7:21
but he became a priest with an oath when God said to him: “The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind: 'You are a priest forever.'
Hebrews 7:24
but because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood
Heb 8
Hebrews 8:1
The point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven,The priest of God is forever less than that God he serves.
Quote Hi W,
So God is telling the angels to worship Jesus.
So Jesus was not worshiped by the angels before then?
Then how can he be their God in heaven?
What of his deity you speak of?Nick! Been away!
Didnt forget you! Ive missed the conversations!
Cant let you get away with the above!
The Father commanded the Angels to worship the Son after his incarnation so he would not leave us in doubt of the nature of who this Jesus is!
He is the eternal Word that came out of the bosum of the Father and was manifest to us showing us who the invisible God is! God has revealed himself to us through the Son and requires no less worship and honour and praise to him. For he is one with Him in substance, in essence and in Glory and power and all of who he the Father is! All the fullness of the GodHead dwells in the Born Son of God bodily and you should know that when God the Father returns in Jesus in all of his Glory that every eye shall see Not The Father the invisible God, But Jesus by whom he has made himself visible! And at that time all of creation shall do homage to him bowing the knee of things in Heaven and things in earth and things under the earth and that every tongue shall confess that Jesus is Lord to the Glory of God the Father the invisible God! Jesus said that he will return to this earth with the Holy Angels in all of his Fathers Glory! If you are looking for the Father God you will only see Jesus, for he is the express image of the Father!
Quote Hi WJ, What according to the scriptures is the main job of a priest or a highpriest? How can you say then that it is God who came in the flesh…
How is God his own son and Father, his own highpriest and God? His own sacrificial lamb and the one to whom spiritual sacrifices are made? Isn't it much easier to conclude then that bottomline, “the earth is YHWH's and all the fullness thereof!” He owns the cattle on a thousand hills… and we together with Jesus belong to him?
Hey Cubes!
You confuse the Diety of Christ who is the Word that is with God and who is God, with Jesus manhood! I and my Father are one!
- Luke 2:10 Then the angel said to them, “Do
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