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WJ,
You asked was Jesus born of a woman. What do the scriptures say.But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, (Gal 4:4).
Quote I was just quoting Jesus. Do you disagree with the scripture? Sultan
I was just quoting John and Jesus do you believe the scriptures?
Quote WJ,
You asked was Jesus born of a woman. What do the scriptures say.But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, (Gal 4:4).
Sultan
You figure it out my friend.:)
Quote Hi w,
You say
“God The creater has always been plural and yet one.”No.
That is trinityspeak confusion.
God alone is the creator.
All creation comes through His Son.
Jn 1
” 3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”NH
So you agree, God – the Father and the Son created all things?
Quote Hi w,
You ask
“You say this but do you believe Jesus is [a] God?”Jesus is not the God of the bible, which is our source of truth.
He is the Son of that God.
No confusion there..His divine origins do not make him his own father.
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Divine origins! What does that mean to you NH?
You are not being honest with yourself NH, you know that you have taught that Jesus is [a] God on this sight.
You know that know one here who holds a trinitarian perspective had said that Jesus is the Father.
You your self say he is one with the Father. but you deny who he is identity with the Father.
Show me NH where Jesus is a part of the creation. And I will believe you.
NH. Only fools would say there is One creator, and then there is the creation, and then there is one other The Son.
Because NH its a fact- Ther is God the creator and everthing else is creation!
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 28 2006,16:48) Quote Hi w,
You say
“God The creater has always been plural and yet one.”No.
That is trinityspeak confusion.
God alone is the creator.
All creation comes through His Son.
Jn 1
” 3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”NH
So you agree, God – the Father and the Son created all things?
Hi W,
You must not go beyond revelation.
God is the creator,
through Christ.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 28 2006,16:59) Quote Hi w,
You ask
“You say this but do you believe Jesus is [a] God?”Jesus is not the God of the bible, which is our source of truth.
He is the Son of that God.
No confusion there..His divine origins do not make him his own father.
————–
Divine origins! What does that mean to you NH?
You are not being honest with yourself NH, you know that you have taught that Jesus is [a] God on this sight.
You know that know one here who holds a trinitarian perspective had said that Jesus is the Father.
You your self say he is one with the Father. but you deny who he is identity with the Father.
Show me NH where Jesus is a part of the creation. And I will believe you.
NH. Only fools would say there is One creator, and then there is the creation, and then there is one other The Son.
Because NH its a fact- Ther is God the creator and everthing else is creation!
Hi W,
Again you want to rush beyond revelation to proclaim deductions from scripture as fact.Scripture says clearly;
God is the Father.
Jesus is the Son of God
Those facts alone do not allow for any trinity theory to be valid.Ps 2 shows us the begettal of the unique Son solely from God Himself and Phil 2 shows us the divine origins of the Son as the image of God who wisely chose submission to his greater father.
No scripture says the Son was created.
God Himself calls him God. That appelation does not change anything nor does it say men in Christ should worship him. It does not make him equal to his Father, or once again a part of his own Father. Those are human presumptions that add to scripture and adulterate truth.
It is perhaps rather more foolish to develop your own thoughts and make them equal to God's words.
For us there is ONE GOD, the Father, and ONE LORD, JESUS.
Quote Hi W,
You must not go beyond revelation.
God is the creator,
through Christ.
Hi W,
Again you want to rush beyond revelation to proclaim deductions from scripture as fact.Scripture says clearly;
God is the Father.
Jesus is the Son of GodThose facts alone do not allow for any trinity theory to be valid.
Ps 2 shows us the begettal of the unique Son solely from God Himself and Phil 2 shows us the divine origins of the Son as the image of God who wisely chose submission to his greater father.
No scripture says the Son was created.
God Himself calls him God. That appelation does not change anything nor does it say men in Christ should worship him. It does not make him equal to his Father, or once again a part of his own Father. Those are human presumptions that add to scripture and adulterate truth.
It is perhaps rather more foolish to develop your own thoughts and make them equal to God's words.
For us there is ONE GOD, the Father, and ONE LORD, JESUS.
NH You Say…..
Quote Again you want to rush beyond revelation to proclaim deductions from scripture as fact. What does this mean go beyond revelation. How can you go beyond the revelation of God?
You dance around the scriptures NH because you have no explanation . Because it does not fit in your narrow view.
Then you go back to simply pasting a bunch of scriptures that you think you understand, but do not look at those scriptures in light of all the scriptures.
Explain it away all you want NH, but it will always be looking you in the face. Just try to understand the seriousness of teaching falsitys.
Hi W,
Do not follow men who have walked the path of presumption and trumpet their findings that come from their own imaginations and derivations rather than scripture. We are told to abide in the truth and the path is narrow. We show our loyalty to the Master by putting His teachings given directly or by the Spirit through the apostles, ahead of any humanly contrived theories.Follow Jesus, not vain rebellious men
2Jn
” 6And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.7For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
8Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
9Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
10If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
11For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds”
Hi w,
You say
“You your self say he is one with the Father. but you deny who he is identity with the Father.”Of course.
If he is one in identity with God there is no Father and no Son so that would be foolish.
Neither would Jesus need to mention the Father at all but rather speak just of himself.
But his words are utterly replete with teachings about the Father
and his own sonship
and their beautiful loving relationship.Quote Hi W,
Do not follow men who have walked the path of presumption and trumpet their findings that come from their own imaginations and derivations rather than scripture. We are told to abide in the truth and the path is narrow. We show our loyalty to the Master by putting His teachings given directly or by the Spirit through the apostles, ahead of any humanly contrived theories.Follow Jesus, not vain rebellious men
NH
Think about what you are saying NH! And let us examine our hearts and see if we are in the truth.
I know whom I have believed. And I pray that anyone who comes to this sight will not be led away by the sleight of men, [and] cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive.
II Cor 13:5
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?Amen w,
2Cor 11
“1Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.2For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
3But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.”
Be not seduced by the adulterous woman.Hi w,
You ask
“What does this mean go beyond revelation. How can you go beyond the revelation of God? “Dead easy and folk do it all the time.
If you wish to please the Master you must abide in his teachings which are in the bible. Let scripture interpret scripture and accept what is clear and witnessed to by other verses as truth. The Spirit does not speak on His own initiative but takes us back to and gives us light on the teachings of Jesus.
Strange new teachings such as trinity cannot be accepted as they are not found in the mouths of God's servant teachers but come from the deluded imaginations of unsaved men.
Quote Hi w,
You ask
“What does this mean go beyond revelation. How can you go beyond the revelation of God? “Dead easy and folk do it all the time.
If you wish to please the Master you must abide in his teachings which are in the bible. Let scripture interpret scripture and accept what is clear and witnessed to by other verses as truth. The Spirit does not speak on His own initiative but takes us back to and gives us light on the teachings of Jesus.
Strange new teachings such as trinity cannot be accepted as they are not found in the mouths of God's servant teachers but come from the deluded imaginations of unsaved men.
You are not my Judge NH.
I am saved by the Blood of the Lamb who washed away my sins and baptised me into his body the church.
II tim 4:8
Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.
Quote Strange new teachings such as trinity cannot be accepted as they are not found in the mouths of God's servant teachers but come from the deluded imaginations of unsaved men.
Because I have a trinitarian view of the scriptures! According to you I am not saved!
Hi W,
There is only one view of the scriptures and that is the scriptural view.
Trinity eyeglasses blur the perspective, distort reality and are destructive to truth.Quote Hi W,
There is only one view of the scriptures and that is the scriptural view.
Trinity eyeglasses blur the perspective, distort reality and are destructive to truth.Only one view NH? And I suppose that one view is your view based on a mixture of Arian and JW theology.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 01 2006,22:41) Quote Hi W,
There is only one view of the scriptures and that is the scriptural view.
Trinity eyeglasses blur the perspective, distort reality and are destructive to truth.Only one view NH? And I suppose that one view is your view based on a mixture of Arian and JW theology.
Hi W,
We do not follow Arius or any foolish JW theology but have tried to source the truth from the pure source, the Word of God, rather than the more popular traditions of men.TEXTS CONTAINING ALL THREE PERSONS OF THE GODHEAD
Following are just some texts showing the understanding of the Three Divine Beings / Persons in One Godhead.
Matt. 28:19 Baptizing in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit
11 Cor. 13:14 Grace of Christ, the love of God and the communion of the Holy Spirit.
11 Cor. 1:21,22 He Who establishes in Christ, anointed us is God, and given us the Spirit
1 Thess. 5:18-19 Will of God in Christ Jesus…quench not the Spirit.
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:Jude 20-21 Praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of Jesus Christ.
Notice also that ALL THREE MEMBERS were present at creation
Genesis 1:1,2 In the beginning GOD(Elohiym-plural) created the heavens and the earth…And the Spirit of God (Elohiym-plural) was hovering over the face of the the waters.
Genesis 1:26 And God (Elohiym-plural) said, …..
“Let US make man in OUR image…so God (Elohiym-plural) created man in His image..male and female He created THEM.Col. 1:15 “By Him [Christ] all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, …all things were created through Him and for Him.”
All three were present at the incarnation!
Luke 1:35
And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.Isaiah 9:6
Christ's NAME, carries the Full Godhead:“Unto us a child is born, unto us a Son is given and His NAME shall be called, Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
The One God (Godhead) is comprised of the Father, the Prince of Peace (Christ) and the Counselor (Holy Spirit)
Rev 4:8, Isaiha 6:3 HOLY HOLY HOLY (praising the three Divine Beings)
Beware! Beware! of these Jehovah's Witnesses offshoot cults. If you are part of any of these cults, you must come out and join a real Christian church. Why should you be tormented by the word of God when you can live in harmony with it. It is not too late. You must come out. Bring your loved one's out.
Revelation 18:4 …. Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues….
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