Honesty with scripture

[942767]

Quote (martian @ Aug. 04 2010,04:03)

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 03 2010,10:28) Quote (martian @ Aug. 01 2010,23:30) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 01 2010,13:18) Quote (martian @ July 29 2010,11:34) I am not surprised that no one else has posted any principles that they use. I think probably some have not the education to really interpret scripture but I know others do not want to follow any principles other then their own opinion. I guess they get their opinions verified by pimples forming on their knees or something. Some will say they are “led by the Spirit”. that is all fine and good as long as your leading is from God and not their own imaginations.  That is why we have a more sure wod of prophecy. Hi Martian: I agree with the principles that you stated, but there is one very important one that we need to apply and that is to ask the One who wrote the book to give us understanding of His Word so that we can walk in unity. James 1: Quote 5If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. 6But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. My prayer is “Father if I am teaching anything that is not your Word or doing anything that is not in accordance with your will, correct me in Jesus name.” Love in Christ, Marty That depends on how well a person hears from God. Everyone thinks they have perfect discernment but the truth usually shows something quite different. We have a more sue word of prophecy. Hi Martian: If you had written a book, and I did not understand something that you said in the book, and I wanted understanding, I would come to you and ask you what you meant by what was in question. Anyway, When I have a question about the scriptures, I will go to my Father and ask Him for understanding. Isn't that is what He says that we should do in the epistle of James? Love in Christ, Marty And do you hear the answers accurately all the time from God? No matter what you hear from God it will not disagree with the Bible if what we conclude from the Bible is derived in an honest manner.

Hi Martian:

God said that He would lead us into all truths by His Spirit, and I believe Him, but what we hear must line up with His Word, or it isn't God who has spoken.

Yes, I do believe that I hear acurately from God, but that does not mean that there is much that I still do not know, and it is possible for me to misunderstand what is written in the scriptures, and that is why as part of my moning prayer routine, I ask God to correct me if I am teaching anything that is not His Word or doing anything that is not His will.

And if He confirms what I am teaching with the type of miracles that He did in the ministy of Jesus and that of the Apostles, then it will be Him saying that what I teach is His Word, and not just me stating that what I teach is the Word of God.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[martian]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 04 2010,09:41)

Quote (martian @ Aug. 04 2010,04:03) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 03 2010,10:28) Quote (martian @ Aug. 01 2010,23:30) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 01 2010,13:18) Quote (martian @ July 29 2010,11:34) I am not surprised that no one else has posted any principles that they use. I think probably some have not the education to really interpret scripture but I know others do not want to follow any principles other then their own opinion. I guess they get their opinions verified by pimples forming on their knees or something. Some will say they are “led by the Spirit”. that is all fine and good as long as your leading is from God and not their own imaginations.  That is why we have a more sure wod of prophecy. Hi Martian: I agree with the principles that you stated, but there is one very important one that we need to apply and that is to ask the One who wrote the book to give us understanding of His Word so that we can walk in unity. James 1: Quote 5If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. 6But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. My prayer is “Father if I am teaching anything that is not your Word or doing anything that is not in accordance with your will, correct me in Jesus name.” Love in Christ, Marty That depends on how well a person hears from God. Everyone thinks they have perfect discernment but the truth usually shows something quite different. We have a more sue word of prophecy. Hi Martian: If you had written a book, and I did not understand something that you said in the book, and I wanted understanding, I would come to you and ask you what you meant by what was in question. Anyway, When I have a question about the scriptures, I will go to my Father and ask Him for understanding. Isn't that is what He says that we should do in the epistle of James? Love in Christ, Marty And do you hear the answers accurately all the time from God? No matter what you hear from God it will not disagree with the Bible if what we conclude from the Bible is derived in an honest manner. Hi Martian:   God said that He would lead us into all truths by His Spirit, and I believe Him, but  what we hear must line up with His Word, or it isn't God who has spoken. Yes, I do believe that I hear acurately from God, but that does not mean that there is much that I still do not know, and it is possible for me to misunderstand what is written in the scriptures, and that is why as part of my moning prayer routine, I ask God to correct me if I am teaching anything that is not His Word or doing anything that is not His will. And if He confirms what I am teaching with the type of miracles that He did in the ministy of Jesus and that of the Apostles, then it will be Him saying that what I teach is His Word, and not just me stating that what I teach is the Word of God. Love in Christ, Marty

Out of curiosity, is God backing up your ministry/teaching with miracles like in the gospel period?

[martian]

I am pulling this thread forward because it is a point of contention between me and others on this forum. I am bombarded with opinions from some like Mike and yet he will not divuldge how his process for interpretation works. How can I trust anyone that hides the method of how they interpret scripture.

[davidbfun]

Quote (barley @ July 31 2010,20:53)

Are you sure you would trust me? So, regarding your request about Elohim, Jehovah, and Ruwach: Likewise, you no doubt have a more extensive Hebrew background than me.  So you would be the expert here. It seems that you have the answer.  As you pointed out: Elohim = God;   Ruach = Spirit;   YHVH = YHVH Let me ask you, is Elohim a possessive noun?  It must not be, else you would have given the following: Elohim = God's;   Is there a Hebrew word that justifies inserting the word “of” into the translation?  That is, a strict word for word translation. Is Jehovah being translated “Lord” a reasonable translation? With these additional questions, you might be able to narrow down your answers. In addition though, you might want to ask yourself, ” Is there another legitimate way to translate this that I have not thought of yet?” Thanks for asking.  I believe that these additional criteria will help you with your quest. barley

Barley,

I am sorry but I didn't see your response until today.

I went back and checked both Ruwach Elohim in Gen 1:2 and YHWH Elohim in Gen 2:4 and there is no possessive form being expressed therefore, these two act as separate “individuals”.

Since we see Elohim in Gen 1:1 as “God” who created hevens and earth, we see that Ruwach Elohim is a part of Elohim and therefore YHWH Elohim is a part of Elohim, too.  And these two apparently make up the one Elohim.

Elohim is the Name of the entity with two essences.

Ruwach is the name of the female essence & YHWH is the name of the male essence.  TOGETHER they comprise the ONE entity called Elohim.  

Elohim is complete ONLY when you have Ruwach and YHWH.  YHWH when he functions alone has His separate mission.  Ruwach when she acts alone has Her separate mission.

Each of these 3 “persons” could be legitimately called God without a contradiction.  Often you will see the two Names together to show which person is functioning, either the Holy Spirit or YHWH and in English you see it written LORD God or Spirit of God (God's Spirit).

Technically the names should be written as Spirit God or YHWH God without any form of possession because they are their own separate “person”.  

The confusion arises when the translators put LORD God.  And inserted the “of” between Spirit and God.

Think about it, doesn't “Spirit God” sound awkward? Or YHWH God?  It makes it sound like two gods unless you realize that these two essences are part of Elohim, the “one” God.

[davidbfun]

Barley,

There is no reason why YHWH is translated LORD except that the translators wanted to keep intact the tetra grammaton (4 Hebrew letters) indicating that YHWH was being referred to.

Also, once you realize that YHWH or YHWH Elohim is a separate person than Ruwach or Ruwach Elohim you cannot mistakenly call Ruwach, YHWH.

We have a deceiver here stating that the Spirit of God is God the Father (YHWH). As you can see without any difficulty that Ruwach is feminine and cannot be a “father”.

One student said that gender is irrelevant to God. Others see that it is impossible for God to be part feminine and therefore dismiss the information given in Gen 1:2 and Gen 1:27.

Who is the “father of lies” and who would willfully follow lies? And why is factual information about God irrelevant?

Look at who is talking in Gen 1:26 and then tell me what He is saying is worthless and irrelevant!

[Ed J]

Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 01 2010,04:34)

Quote (barley @ July 31 2010,20:53) Are you sure you would trust me? So, regarding your request about Elohim, Jehovah, and Ruwach: Likewise, you no doubt have a more extensive Hebrew background than me.  So you would be the expert here. It seems that you have the answer.  As you pointed out: Elohim = God;   Ruach = Spirit;   YHVH = YHVH Let me ask you, is Elohim a possessive noun?  It must not be, else you would have given the following: Elohim = God's;   Is there a Hebrew word that justifies inserting the word “of” into the translation?  That is, a strict word for word translation. Is Jehovah being translated “Lord” a reasonable translation? With these additional questions, you might be able to narrow down your answers. In addition though, you might want to ask yourself, ” Is there another legitimate way to translate this that I have not thought of yet?” Thanks for asking.  I believe that these additional criteria will help you with your quest. barley Barley, I am sorry but I didn't see your response until today. I went back and checked both Ruwach Elohim in Gen 1:2 and YHWH Elohim in Gen 2:4 and there is no possessive form being expressed therefore, these two act as separate “individuals”. Since we see Elohim in Gen 1:1 as “God” who created hevens and earth, we see that Ruwach Elohim is a part of Elohim and therefore YHWH Elohim is a part of Elohim, too.  And these two apparently make up the one Elohim. Elohim is the Name of the entity with two essences. Ruwach is the name of the female essence & YHWH is the name of the male essence.  TOGETHER they comprise the ONE entity called Elohim.   Elohim is complete ONLY when you have Ruwach and YHWH.  YHWH when he functions alone has His separate mission.  Ruwach when she acts alone has Her separate mission. Each of these 3 “persons” could be legitimately called God without a contradiction.  Often you will see the two Names together to show which person is functioning, either the Holy Spirit or YHWH and in English you see it written LORD God or Spirit of God (God's Spirit). Technically the names should be written as Spirit God or YHWH God without any form of possession because they are their own separate “person”.   The confusion arises when the translators put LORD God.  And inserted the “of” between Spirit and God. Think about it, doesn't “Spirit God” sound awkward? Or YHWH God?  It makes it sound like two gods unless you realize that these two essences are part of Elohim, the “one” God.

Hi David,

English combined with Theomatics(numbers relating to God)
presents a clearer picture of what you are trying to say!

                             
                  The LORD JEHOVAH=151
                            /         \
                          /             \
YHVH GOD is One=151   One God Spirit=151

But there is more to the story here as I will illustrate…

God’s Name (יהוה) is written EXACTLY 6823 times in the Hebrew Masoretic Texts. See how
The Gematria Value of Ιησους Χριστоς=2368 Ē-Ā-Soos Chrĭstŏs (Jesus Christ in Greek)
resembles the number of times God’s Name is used in the Hebrew Masoretic Texts.

6823 is the 877th prime number in a long list of primes starting with two (2).
Now this might not seem significant until you realize that the number 877
is the 151st prime number. This number 151 shows “Unity” in Spirit.

YHVH GOD is One=151 (Deut.6:4 / Eph.4:6)

The LORD JEHOVAH=151 (Isaiah 12:2, 26:4)
LORD of Hosts=151 (AKJV Bible)
Jesus Christ=151 (New Testament)
Holy Spirit=151 (Old & New Testament)

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[martian]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 01 2010,05:01)

Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 01 2010,04:34) Quote (barley @ July 31 2010,20:53) Are you sure you would trust me? So, regarding your request about Elohim, Jehovah, and Ruwach: Likewise, you no doubt have a more extensive Hebrew background than me.  So you would be the expert here. It seems that you have the answer.  As you pointed out: Elohim = God;   Ruach = Spirit;   YHVH = YHVH Let me ask you, is Elohim a possessive noun?  It must not be, else you would have given the following: Elohim = God's;   Is there a Hebrew word that justifies inserting the word “of” into the translation?  That is, a strict word for word translation. Is Jehovah being translated “Lord” a reasonable translation? With these additional questions, you might be able to narrow down your answers. In addition though, you might want to ask yourself, ” Is there another legitimate way to translate this that I have not thought of yet?” Thanks for asking.  I believe that these additional criteria will help you with your quest. barley Barley, I am sorry but I didn't see your response until today. I went back and checked both Ruwach Elohim in Gen 1:2 and YHWH Elohim in Gen 2:4 and there is no possessive form being expressed therefore, these two act as separate “individuals”. Since we see Elohim in Gen 1:1 as “God” who created hevens and earth, we see that Ruwach Elohim is a part of Elohim and therefore YHWH Elohim is a part of Elohim, too.  And these two apparently make up the one Elohim. Elohim is the Name of the entity with two essences. Ruwach is the name of the female essence & YHWH is the name of the male essence.  TOGETHER they comprise the ONE entity called Elohim.   Elohim is complete ONLY when you have Ruwach and YHWH.  YHWH when he functions alone has His separate mission.  Ruwach when she acts alone has Her separate mission. Each of these 3 “persons” could be legitimately called God without a contradiction.  Often you will see the two Names together to show which person is functioning, either the Holy Spirit or YHWH and in English you see it written LORD God or Spirit of God (God's Spirit). Technically the names should be written as Spirit God or YHWH God without any form of possession because they are their own separate “person”.   The confusion arises when the translators put LORD God.  And inserted the “of” between Spirit and God. Think about it, doesn't “Spirit God” sound awkward? Or YHWH God?  It makes it sound like two gods unless you realize that these two essences are part of Elohim, the “one” God. Hi David, English combined with Theomatics(numbers relating to God) presents a clearer picture of what you are trying to say!                                                 The LORD JEHOVAH=151                             /         \                           /             \ YHVH GOD is One=151   One God Spirit=151 But there is more to the story here as I will illustrate… God’s Name (יהוה) is written EXACTLY 6823 times in the Hebrew Masoretic Texts. See how The Gematria Value of Ιησους Χριστоς=2368 Ē-Ā-Soos Chrĭstŏs (Jesus Christ in Greek) resembles the number of times God’s Name is used in the Hebrew Masoretic Texts. 6823 is the 877th prime number in a long list of primes starting with two (2). Now this might not seem significant until you realize that the number 877 is the 151st prime number. This number 151 shows “Unity” in Spirit. YHVH GOD is One=151 (Deut.6:4 / Eph.4:6) The LORD JEHOVAH=151 (Isaiah 12:2, 26:4) LORD of Hosts=151 (AKJV Bible) Jesus Christ=151 (New Testament) Holy Spirit=151 (Old & New Testament) Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17) יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

My goodness – Is this a waca waca waca post or what? What left field did that come from?

[Ed J]

Quote (martian @ Sep. 02 2010,07:03)

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 01 2010,05:01) Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 01 2010,04:34) Quote (barley @ July 31 2010,20:53) Are you sure you would trust me? So, regarding your request about Elohim, Jehovah, and Ruwach: Likewise, you no doubt have a more extensive Hebrew background than me.  So you would be the expert here. It seems that you have the answer.  As you pointed out: Elohim = God;   Ruach = Spirit;   YHVH = YHVH Let me ask you, is Elohim a possessive noun?  It must not be, else you would have given the following: Elohim = God's;   Is there a Hebrew word that justifies inserting the word “of” into the translation?  That is, a strict word for word translation. Is Jehovah being translated “Lord” a reasonable translation? With these additional questions, you might be able to narrow down your answers. In addition though, you might want to ask yourself, ” Is there another legitimate way to translate this that I have not thought of yet?” Thanks for asking.  I believe that these additional criteria will help you with your quest. barley Barley, I am sorry but I didn't see your response until today. I went back and checked both Ruwach Elohim in Gen 1:2 and YHWH Elohim in Gen 2:4 and there is no possessive form being expressed therefore, these two act as separate “individuals”. Since we see Elohim in Gen 1:1 as “God” who created hevens and earth, we see that Ruwach Elohim is a part of Elohim and therefore YHWH Elohim is a part of Elohim, too.  And these two apparently make up the one Elohim. Elohim is the Name of the entity with two essences. Ruwach is the name of the female essence & YHWH is the name of the male essence.  TOGETHER they comprise the ONE entity called Elohim.   Elohim is complete ONLY when you have Ruwach and YHWH.  YHWH when he functions alone has His separate mission.  Ruwach when she acts alone has Her separate mission. Each of these 3 “persons” could be legitimately called God without a contradiction.  Often you will see the two Names together to show which person is functioning, either the Holy Spirit or YHWH and in English you see it written LORD God or Spirit of God (God's Spirit). Technically the names should be written as Spirit God or YHWH God without any form of possession because they are their own separate “person”.   The confusion arises when the translators put LORD God.  And inserted the “of” between Spirit and God. Think about it, doesn't “Spirit God” sound awkward? Or YHWH God?  It makes it sound like two gods unless you realize that these two essences are part of Elohim, the “one” God. Hi David, English combined with Theomatics(numbers relating to God) presents a clearer picture of what you are trying to say!                                                 The LORD JEHOVAH=151                             /         \                           /             \ YHVH GOD is One=151   One God Spirit=151 But there is more to the story here as I will illustrate… God’s Name (יהוה) is written EXACTLY 6823 times in the Hebrew Masoretic Texts. See how The Gematria Value of Ιησους Χριστоς=2368 Ē-Ā-Soos Chrĭstŏs (Jesus Christ in Greek) resembles the number of times God’s Name is used in the Hebrew Masoretic Texts. 6823 is the 877th prime number in a long list of primes starting with two (2). Now this might not seem significant until you realize that the number 877 is the 151st prime number. This number 151 shows “Unity” in Spirit. YHVH GOD is One=151 (Deut.6:4 / Eph.4:6) The LORD JEHOVAH=151 (Isaiah 12:2, 26:4) LORD of Hosts=151 (AKJV Bible) Jesus Christ=151 (New Testament) Holy Spirit=151 (Old & New Testament) Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17) יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org My goodness – Is this a waca waca waca post or what? What left field did that come from?

Hi Martian,

There is an intire thread on this subject Located Here; perhaps you never looked it? (Prob.18:13 / Prob.25:2)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[martian]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 02 2010,07:10)

Quote (martian @ Sep. 02 2010,07:03) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 01 2010,05:01) Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 01 2010,04:34) Quote (barley @ July 31 2010,20:53) Are you sure you would trust me? So, regarding your request about Elohim, Jehovah, and Ruwach: Likewise, you no doubt have a more extensive Hebrew background than me.  So you would be the expert here. It seems that you have the answer.  As you pointed out: Elohim = God;   Ruach = Spirit;   YHVH = YHVH Let me ask you, is Elohim a possessive noun?  It must not be, else you would have given the following: Elohim = God's;   Is there a Hebrew word that justifies inserting the word “of” into the translation?  That is, a strict word for word translation. Is Jehovah being translated “Lord” a reasonable translation? With these additional questions, you might be able to narrow down your answers. In addition though, you might want to ask yourself, ” Is there another legitimate way to translate this that I have not thought of yet?” Thanks for asking.  I believe that these additional criteria will help you with your quest. barley Barley, I am sorry but I didn't see your response until today. I went back and checked both Ruwach Elohim in Gen 1:2 and YHWH Elohim in Gen 2:4 and there is no possessive form being expressed therefore, these two act as separate “individuals”. Since we see Elohim in Gen 1:1 as “God” who created hevens and earth, we see that Ruwach Elohim is a part of Elohim and therefore YHWH Elohim is a part of Elohim, too.  And these two apparently make up the one Elohim. Elohim is the Name of the entity with two essences. Ruwach is the name of the female essence & YHWH is the name of the male essence.  TOGETHER they comprise the ONE entity called Elohim.   Elohim is complete ONLY when you have Ruwach and YHWH.  YHWH when he functions alone has His separate mission.  Ruwach when she acts alone has Her separate mission. Each of these 3 “persons” could be legitimately called God without a contradiction.  Often you will see the two Names together to show which person is functioning, either the Holy Spirit or YHWH and in English you see it written LORD God or Spirit of God (God's Spirit). Technically the names should be written as Spirit God or YHWH God without any form of possession because they are their own separate “person”.   The confusion arises when the translators put LORD God.  And inserted the “of” between Spirit and God. Think about it, doesn't “Spirit God” sound awkward? Or YHWH God?  It makes it sound like two gods unless you realize that these two essences are part of Elohim, the “one” God. Hi David, English combined with Theomatics(numbers relating to God) presents a clearer picture of what you are trying to say!                                                 The LORD JEHOVAH=151                             /         \                           /             \ YHVH GOD is One=151   One God Spirit=151 But there is more to the story here as I will illustrate… God’s Name (יהוה) is written EXACTLY 6823 times in the Hebrew Masoretic Texts. See how The Gematria Value of Ιησους Χριστоς=2368 Ē-Ā-Soos Chrĭstŏs (Jesus Christ in Greek) resembles the number of times God’s Name is used in the Hebrew Masoretic Texts. 6823 is the 877th prime number in a long list of primes starting with two (2). Now this might not seem significant until you realize that the number 877 is the 151st prime number. This number 151 shows “Unity” in Spirit. YHVH GOD is One=151 (Deut.6:4 / Eph.4:6) The LORD JEHOVAH=151 (Isaiah 12:2, 26:4) LORD of Hosts=151 (AKJV Bible) Jesus Christ=151 (New Testament) Holy Spirit=151 (Old & New Testament) Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17) יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org My goodness – Is this a waca waca waca post or what? What left field did that come from? Hi Martian, There is an intire thread on this subject Located Here; perhaps you never looked it? (Prob.18:13 / Prob.25:2) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

I have read enough on the subject to totally discount it as having any value any more then I do the fantasy of the Divinci Code.
Furthermore it has nothing to do with the subject at hand.

[martian]

Too bad most posts on this thread have little to do with the subject at hand. I guess it is proof enough that few on here want to be honest with scripture.

[Ed J]

Quote (martian @ Sep. 02 2010,09:21)

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 02 2010,07:10) Quote (martian @ Sep. 02 2010,07:03) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 01 2010,05:01) Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 01 2010,04:34) Quote (barley @ July 31 2010,20:53) Are you sure you would trust me? So, regarding your request about Elohim, Jehovah, and Ruwach: Likewise, you no doubt have a more extensive Hebrew background than me.  So you would be the expert here. It seems that you have the answer.  As you pointed out: Elohim = God;   Ruach = Spirit;   YHVH = YHVH Let me ask you, is Elohim a possessive noun?  It must not be, else you would have given the following: Elohim = God's;   Is there a Hebrew word that justifies inserting the word “of” into the translation?  That is, a strict word for word translation. Is Jehovah being translated “Lord” a reasonable translation? With these additional questions, you might be able to narrow down your answers. In addition though, you might want to ask yourself, ” Is there another legitimate way to translate this that I have not thought of yet?” Thanks for asking.  I believe that these additional criteria will help you with your quest. barley Barley, I am sorry but I didn't see your response until today. I went back and checked both Ruwach Elohim in Gen 1:2 and YHWH Elohim in Gen 2:4 and there is no possessive form being expressed therefore, these two act as separate “individuals”. Since we see Elohim in Gen 1:1 as “God” who created hevens and earth, we see that Ruwach Elohim is a part of Elohim and therefore YHWH Elohim is a part of Elohim, too.  And these two apparently make up the one Elohim. Elohim is the Name of the entity with two essences. Ruwach is the name of the female essence & YHWH is the name of the male essence.  TOGETHER they comprise the ONE entity called Elohim.   Elohim is complete ONLY when you have Ruwach and YHWH.  YHWH when he functions alone has His separate mission.  Ruwach when she acts alone has Her separate mission. Each of these 3 “persons” could be legitimately called God without a contradiction.  Often you will see the two Names together to show which person is functioning, either the Holy Spirit or YHWH and in English you see it written LORD God or Spirit of God (God's Spirit). Technically the names should be written as Spirit God or YHWH God without any form of possession because they are their own separate “person”.   The confusion arises when the translators put LORD God.  And inserted the “of” between Spirit and God. Think about it, doesn't “Spirit God” sound awkward? Or YHWH God?  It makes it sound like two gods unless you realize that these two essences are part of Elohim, the “one” God. Hi David, English combined with Theomatics(numbers relating to God) presents a clearer picture of what you are trying to say!                                                 The LORD JEHOVAH=151                             /         \                           /             \ YHVH GOD is One=151   One God Spirit=151 But there is more to the story here as I will illustrate… God’s Name (יהוה) is written EXACTLY 6823 times in the Hebrew Masoretic Texts. See how The Gematria Value of Ιησους Χριστоς=2368 Ē-Ā-Soos Chrĭstŏs (Jesus Christ in Greek) resembles the number of times God’s Name is used in the Hebrew Masoretic Texts. 6823 is the 877th prime number in a long list of primes starting with two (2). Now this might not seem significant until you realize that the number 877 is the 151st prime number. This number 151 shows “Unity” in Spirit. YHVH GOD is One=151 (Deut.6:4 / Eph.4:6) The LORD JEHOVAH=151 (Isaiah 12:2, 26:4) LORD of Hosts=151 (AKJV Bible) Jesus Christ=151 (New Testament) Holy Spirit=151 (Old & New Testament) Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17) יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org My goodness – Is this a waca waca waca post or what? What left field did that come from? Hi Martian, There is an intire thread on this subject Located Here; perhaps you never looked it? (Prob.18:13 / Prob.25:2) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org I have read enough on the subject to totally discount it as having any value any more then I do the fantasy of the Divinci Code. Furthermore it has nothing to do with the subject at hand.

Hi Martian,

I think it's 'funny' that God is judging you according to how you judge others! (Matt.7:2)

You discount the proof “YHVH”=63 has encoded into “The Bible”=63.
and then accuse others (according to Martian) of not being 'honest with scripture' ? ? ?

                             “YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter],
the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]!

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (martian @ Sep. 02 2010,09:21)

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 02 2010,07:10) Quote (martian @ Sep. 02 2010,07:03) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 01 2010,05:01) Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 01 2010,04:34) Quote (barley @ July 31 2010,20:53) Are you sure you would trust me? So, regarding your request about Elohim, Jehovah, and Ruwach: Likewise, you no doubt have a more extensive Hebrew background than me.  So you would be the expert here. It seems that you have the answer.  As you pointed out: Elohim = God;   Ruach = Spirit;   YHVH = YHVH Let me ask you, is Elohim a possessive noun?  It must not be, else you would have given the following: Elohim = God's;   Is there a Hebrew word that justifies inserting the word “of” into the translation?  That is, a strict word for word translation. Is Jehovah being translated “Lord” a reasonable translation? With these additional questions, you might be able to narrow down your answers. In addition though, you might want to ask yourself, ” Is there another legitimate way to translate this that I have not thought of yet?” Thanks for asking.  I believe that these additional criteria will help you with your quest. barley Barley, I am sorry but I didn't see your response until today. I went back and checked both Ruwach Elohim in Gen 1:2 and YHWH Elohim in Gen 2:4 and there is no possessive form being expressed therefore, these two act as separate “individuals”. Since we see Elohim in Gen 1:1 as “God” who created hevens and earth, we see that Ruwach Elohim is a part of Elohim and therefore YHWH Elohim is a part of Elohim, too.  And these two apparently make up the one Elohim. Elohim is the Name of the entity with two essences. Ruwach is the name of the female essence & YHWH is the name of the male essence.  TOGETHER they comprise the ONE entity called Elohim.   Elohim is complete ONLY when you have Ruwach and YHWH.  YHWH when he functions alone has His separate mission.  Ruwach when she acts alone has Her separate mission. Each of these 3 “persons” could be legitimately called God without a contradiction.  Often you will see the two Names together to show which person is functioning, either the Holy Spirit or YHWH and in English you see it written LORD God or Spirit of God (God's Spirit). Technically the names should be written as Spirit God or YHWH God without any form of possession because they are their own separate “person”.   The confusion arises when the translators put LORD God.  And inserted the “of” between Spirit and God. Think about it, doesn't “Spirit God” sound awkward? Or YHWH God?  It makes it sound like two gods unless you realize that these two essences are part of Elohim, the “one” God. Hi David, English combined with Theomatics(numbers relating to God) presents a clearer picture of what you are trying to say!                                                 The LORD JEHOVAH=151                             /         \                           /             \ YHVH GOD is One=151   One God Spirit=151 But there is more to the story here as I will illustrate… God’s Name (יהוה) is written EXACTLY 6823 times in the Hebrew Masoretic Texts. See how The Gematria Value of Ιησους Χριστоς=2368 Ē-Ā-Soos Chrĭstŏs (Jesus Christ in Greek) resembles the number of times God’s Name is used in the Hebrew Masoretic Texts. 6823 is the 877th prime number in a long list of primes starting with two (2). Now this might not seem significant until you realize that the number 877 is the 151st prime number. This number 151 shows “Unity” in Spirit. YHVH GOD is One=151 (Deut.6:4 / Eph.4:6) The LORD JEHOVAH=151 (Isaiah 12:2, 26:4) LORD of Hosts=151 (AKJV Bible) Jesus Christ=151 (New Testament) Holy Spirit=151 (Old & New Testament) Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17) יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org My goodness – Is this a waca waca waca post or what? What left field did that come from? Hi Martian, There is an intire thread on this subject Located Here; perhaps you never looked it? (Prob.18:13 / Prob.25:2) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org I have read enough on the subject to totally discount it as having any value any more then I do the fantasy of the Divinci Code. Furthermore it has nothing to do with the subject at hand.

Hi Martian,

Is not the title of this thread… 'Honesty with scripture'?
What makes 'you' think your… 'Rules of interpretation' are the only correct ones?
Furthermore, what makes you 'think' you have the right to Judge me? (Matt.7:1-5)

Ed J (Isaiah 54:17 / Isaiah 27:4-5)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[martian]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 09 2010,03:11)

Quote (martian @ Sep. 02 2010,09:21) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 02 2010,07:10) Quote (martian @ Sep. 02 2010,07:03) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 01 2010,05:01) Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 01 2010,04:34) Quote (barley @ July 31 2010,20:53) Are you sure you would trust me? So, regarding your request about Elohim, Jehovah, and Ruwach: Likewise, you no doubt have a more extensive Hebrew background than me.  So you would be the expert here. It seems that you have the answer.  As you pointed out: Elohim = God;   Ruach = Spirit;   YHVH = YHVH Let me ask you, is Elohim a possessive noun?  It must not be, else you would have given the following: Elohim = God's;   Is there a Hebrew word that justifies inserting the word “of” into the translation?  That is, a strict word for word translation. Is Jehovah being translated “Lord” a reasonable translation? With these additional questions, you might be able to narrow down your answers. In addition though, you might want to ask yourself, ” Is there another legitimate way to translate this that I have not thought of yet?” Thanks for asking.  I believe that these additional criteria will help you with your quest. barley Barley, I am sorry but I didn't see your response until today. I went back and checked both Ruwach Elohim in Gen 1:2 and YHWH Elohim in Gen 2:4 and there is no possessive form being expressed therefore, these two act as separate “individuals”. Since we see Elohim in Gen 1:1 as “God” who created hevens and earth, we see that Ruwach Elohim is a part of Elohim and therefore YHWH Elohim is a part of Elohim, too.  And these two apparently make up the one Elohim. Elohim is the Name of the entity with two essences. Ruwach is the name of the female essence & YHWH is the name of the male essence.  TOGETHER they comprise the ONE entity called Elohim.   Elohim is complete ONLY when you have Ruwach and YHWH.  YHWH when he functions alone has His separate mission.  Ruwach when she acts alone has Her separate mission. Each of these 3 “persons” could be legitimately called God without a contradiction.  Often you will see the two Names together to show which person is functioning, either the Holy Spirit or YHWH and in English you see it written LORD God or Spirit of God (God's Spirit). Technically the names should be written as Spirit God or YHWH God without any form of possession because they are their own separate “person”.   The confusion arises when the translators put LORD God.  And inserted the “of” between Spirit and God. Think about it, doesn't “Spirit God” sound awkward? Or YHWH God?  It makes it sound like two gods unless you realize that these two essences are part of Elohim, the “one” God. Hi David, English combined with Theomatics(numbers relating to God) presents a clearer picture of what you are trying to say!                                                 The LORD JEHOVAH=151                             /         \                           /             \ YHVH GOD is One=151   One God Spirit=151 But there is more to the story here as I will illustrate… God’s Name (יהוה) is written EXACTLY 6823 times in the Hebrew Masoretic Texts. See how The Gematria Value of Ιησους Χριστоς=2368 Ē-Ā-Soos Chrĭstŏs (Jesus Christ in Greek) resembles the number of times God’s Name is used in the Hebrew Masoretic Texts. 6823 is the 877th prime number in a long list of primes starting with two (2). Now this might not seem significant until you realize that the number 877 is the 151st prime number. This number 151 shows “Unity” in Spirit. YHVH GOD is One=151 (Deut.6:4 / Eph.4:6) The LORD JEHOVAH=151 (Isaiah 12:2, 26:4) LORD of Hosts=151 (AKJV Bible) Jesus Christ=151 (New Testament) Holy Spirit=151 (Old & New Testament) Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17) יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org My goodness – Is this a waca waca waca post or what? What left field did that come from? Hi Martian, There is an intire thread on this subject Located Here; perhaps you never looked it? (Prob.18:13 / Prob.25:2) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org I have read enough on the subject to totally discount it as having any value any more then I do the fantasy of the Divinci Code. Furthermore it has nothing to do with the subject at hand. Hi Martian, Is not the title of this thread… 'Honesty with scripture'? What makes 'you' think your… 'Rules of interpretation' are the only correct ones? Furthermore, what makes you 'think' you have the right to Judge me? (Matt.7:1-5) Ed J (Isaiah 54:17 / Isaiah 27:4-5) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

I did not judge you personally. I judged your ideas.
If you think you have other ideas of interpretation then voice them. I am always open to suggestion. Show me their fruit, application and honesty.

[shimmer]

Hi Ed, We are either teachers or learners or followers, seekers, I am a follower, learner, but I also see things sometimes, if you – Ed, have taken the postition of teacher, you must be sure that what you teach is in agreement with scripture, which is why others question what you are saying sometimes.

[shimmer]

Otherwise we would all just believe anything anyone said, and theres alot of opinions !

[martian]

Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 21 2010,11:05)

Otherwise we would all just believe anything anyone said, and theres alot of opinions !

And there is the key!!!
Everyone has their own twist on how to interpret scripture. Usually they have little or no principles to guide them in determining what the original intent of the verses were. In other cases they have some principles but ignore them when these principles countermand their pet doctrines. Few are actually honest with good principles and their continuos application.
Some literally refuse to even tell others how they come to their conclusions and insist that their methods remain secret. Honest researchers show their methods so that the reader can decide for themselves if their methods are honest and accurate.
This is the problem with attempting to learn anything from a venue like a forum. For the most part it caters to those that want to voice opinions and expect that their opinions should not be challenged. They are closed to any kind of honest research and continue to throw out opinion as if they spoke from God himself.

[kerwin]

To all,

I believe my methods of the interpretation are straight forward in that they rely on the nature of God and thus take into account what God desires in his people and are consistent.

[martian]

Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 22 2010,04:49)

To all, I believe my methods of the interpretation are straight forward in that they rely on the nature of God and thus take into account what God desires in his people and are consistent.

So tell them to me. Do you study Hebrew Culture? Do you use the original languages of scripture? Do you preserve the context both immediate and general?
Please tell me your methods? I want to know.

[shimmer]

Quote (martian @ Sep. 22 2010,03:14)

This is the problem with attempting to learn anything from a venue like a forum. For the most part it caters to those that want to voice opinions and expect that their opinions should not be challenged. They are closed to any kind of honest research and continue to throw out opinion as if they spoke   from God himself.

It depends where you go (on other forums there are more learners than anything, they are more like me) it's good.

And it depends who you listen to. I always seek help from God first, if I'm supposed to be listening to what someone is trying to say, God will show me that it's ok, so I trust in that. And also what is not ok.

[Ed J]

Quote (martian @ Sep. 21 2010,10:53)

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 09 2010,03:11) Quote (martian @ Sep. 02 2010,09:21) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 02 2010,07:10) Quote (martian @ Sep. 02 2010,07:03) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 01 2010,05:01) Quote (davidbfun @ Sep. 01 2010,04:34) Quote (barley @ July 31 2010,20:53) Are you sure you would trust me? So, regarding your request about Elohim, Jehovah, and Ruwach: Likewise, you no doubt have a more extensive Hebrew background than me.  So you would be the expert here. It seems that you have the answer.  As you pointed out: Elohim = God;   Ruach = Spirit;   YHVH = YHVH Let me ask you, is Elohim a possessive noun?  It must not be, else you would have given the following: Elohim = God's;   Is there a Hebrew word that justifies inserting the word “of” into the translation?  That is, a strict word for word translation. Is Jehovah being translated “Lord” a reasonable translation? With these additional questions, you might be able to narrow down your answers. In addition though, you might want to ask yourself, ” Is there another legitimate way to translate this that I have not thought of yet?” Thanks for asking.  I believe that these additional criteria will help you with your quest. barley Barley, I am sorry but I didn't see your response until today. I went back and checked both Ruwach Elohim in Gen 1:2 and YHWH Elohim in Gen 2:4 and there is no possessive form being expressed therefore, these two act as separate “individuals”. Since we see Elohim in Gen 1:1 as “God” who created hevens and earth, we see that Ruwach Elohim is a part of Elohim and therefore YHWH Elohim is a part of Elohim, too.  And these two apparently make up the one Elohim. Elohim is the Name of the entity with two essences. Ruwach is the name of the female essence & YHWH is the name of the male essence.  TOGETHER they comprise the ONE entity called Elohim.   Elohim is complete ONLY when you have Ruwach and YHWH.  YHWH when he functions alone has His separate mission.  Ruwach when she acts alone has Her separate mission. Each of these 3 “persons” could be legitimately called God without a contradiction.  Often you will see the two Names together to show which person is functioning, either the Holy Spirit or YHWH and in English you see it written LORD God or Spirit of God (God's Spirit). Technically the names should be written as Spirit God or YHWH God without any form of possession because they are their own separate “person”.   The confusion arises when the translators put LORD God.  And inserted the “of” between Spirit and God. Think about it, doesn't “Spirit God” sound awkward? Or YHWH God?  It makes it sound like two gods unless you realize that these two essences are part of Elohim, the “one” God. Hi David, English combined with Theomatics(numbers relating to God) presents a clearer picture of what you are trying to say!                                                 The LORD JEHOVAH=151                             /         \                           /             \ YHVH GOD is One=151   One God Spirit=151 But there is more to the story here as I will illustrate… God’s Name (יהוה) is written EXACTLY 6823 times in the Hebrew Masoretic Texts. See how The Gematria Value of Ιησους Χριστоς=2368 Ē-Ā-Soos Chrĭstŏs (Jesus Christ in Greek) resembles the number of times God’s Name is used in the Hebrew Masoretic Texts. 6823 is the 877th prime number in a long list of primes starting with two (2). Now this might not seem significant until you realize that the number 877 is the 151st prime number. This number 151 shows “Unity” in Spirit. YHVH GOD is One=151 (Deut.6:4 / Eph.4:6) The LORD JEHOVAH=151 (Isaiah 12:2, 26:4) LORD of Hosts=151 (AKJV Bible) Jesus Christ=151 (New Testament) Holy Spirit=151 (Old & New Testament) Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17) יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org My goodness – Is this a waca waca waca post or what? What left field did that come from? Hi Martian, There is an intire thread on this subject Located Here; perhaps you never looked it? (Prob.18:13 / Prob.25:2) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org I have read enough on the subject to totally discount it as having any value any more then I do the fantasy of the Divinci Code. Furthermore it has nothing to do with the subject at hand. Hi Martian, Is not the title of this thread… 'Honesty with scripture'? What makes 'you' think your… 'Rules of interpretation' are the only correct ones? Furthermore, what makes you 'think' you have the right to Judge me? (Matt.7:1-5) Ed J (Isaiah 54:17 / Isaiah 27:4-5) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org I did not judge you personally. I judged your ideas. If you think you have other ideas of interpretation then voice them. I am always open to suggestion. Show me their fruit, application and honesty.

Hi
Martian,

This blanket statement (of yours) is in question in regard to truthfulness!
People must understand “The Bible” in it's entirety, but how can they without
first understanding many of the individual pieces? a sort of ‘catch 22’ situation here!  

Most people understand The Bible with the understanding of a man. (Isaiah 55:7-11)
“The Bible” can be understood in much the same way “Optics” are understood.
What I mean is: “The Bible” must be understood as “a whole”, Gen. to Rev.

But how is this done? Let us use “Optics” as a comparative example; OK?
The closer you look at something, the less that can be seen in the field of view.
And likewise, the focus of detail is lost with the greater field of view. I hope you are
getting all this? This is quite a conundrum, as you can only read one Bible verse at a time.

Consider what it would take to make a map without the advent of aerial photography?
First you must understand each and every section of terrain. And then fit all sections
of terrain by scale into their respective positions. Scale is imperative to the whole.
But in order to fit all the sections by scale into the whole, “The Big Picture” has
to be clearly understood in the mapmakers mind; then all the pieces will fit!

When beginners start to read The Scriptures they don’t understand what
“God” wants them to, because of what the ‘systems of religion’ taught them.
If they have been baptized with The “HolySpirit” and are open to His teachings,
then they will be like a skilled mapmaker understanding the terrain of God’s Word!
This is THE ONLY WAY to interpret “The Bible”; are you truly open to this suggestion?

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)

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