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[Not3in1]

Quote (942767 @ April 20 2008,05:43)

Quote (Not3in1 @ April 19 2008,19:10) 94, Allowing it to happen, or causing it to happen? Although some things that have happened in the scriptures are difficult to understand, I can assure you that God's ultimate purpose in whatever He does or allows, is to save His children from the consequence of sin.

But how can killing innocent children save other children?

[Not3in1]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 20 2008,02:08)

Quote (Stu @ April 19 2008,23:03) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 19 2008,19:46) Quote (Stu @ April 19 2008,19:42) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 19 2008,19:39) Quote (kejonn @ April 19 2008,12:18) Yes, I agree. I have much respect for WJ even if we see many more things differently than even before . kejonn The respect is mutual. Yes, I notice we are drifting much further apart in our beliefs!   I wish you the best though in your quest! Some day you may come back home!   Blessings! Or you might move out!? Stuart Stu Looks like he already packed his bags and is gone!   But, like the Prodical Son, he may return some day! There's no chance you will pack your bags and hit the road with him? Stuart Stu Nah. I am to old for such travels. You have heard the Ole saying… “You can't teach an old dog new tricks”. I will just stay at home and pray.

Keith,

You're feelings are shared by Billy Graham who also said in a recent interview that he wished he had more time to study certain doctrines of the bible, but at last he said he must stick with what he has already been convinced of because his time is short.

My sister also uses this (somewhat of an excuse) because she wants to “finish strong” for the Lord. She doesn't want to entertain any other ideas for fear of losing what she has.

I understand this.

I also don't understand this.

[Worshipping Jesus]

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 20 2008,02:08) Quote (Stu @ April 19 2008,23:03) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 19 2008,19:46) Quote (Stu @ April 19 2008,19:42) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 19 2008,19:39) Quote (kejonn @ April 19 2008,12:18) Yes, I agree. I have much respect for WJ even if we see many more things differently than even before . kejonn The respect is mutual. Yes, I notice we are drifting much further apart in our beliefs!   I wish you the best though in your quest! Some day you may come back home!   Blessings! Or you might move out!? Stuart Stu Looks like he already packed his bags and is gone!   But, like the Prodical Son, he may return some day! There's no chance you will pack your bags and hit the road with him? Stuart Stu Nah. I am to old for such travels. You have heard the Ole saying… “You can't teach an old dog new tricks”. I will just stay at home and pray. Keith, You're feelings are shared by Billy Graham who also said in a recent interview that he wished he had more time to study certain doctrines of the bible, but at last he said he must stick with what he has already been convinced of because his time is short. My sister also uses this (somewhat of an excuse) because she wants to “finish strong” for the Lord.  She doesn't want to entertain any other ideas for fear of losing what she has. I understand this. I also don't understand this.

Mandy

You are taking me way to serious.

I have not given up my quest for knowing and learning more of God and the truth.

But, I will say that the foundation of my faith has been tested for me and is sure and real, and so like Paul I say…

But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned [them]; And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, (Paul also supports the OT) and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect (mature), throughly furnished unto all good works. 2 Tim 3:14-17

For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: *for I know whom I have believed*, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day. 2 Tim 1:12

Your sister and Billy Graham may be onto something!

Blessings! Keith

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 19 2008,19:26)

I didn’t see a single question in your above proclamation, and Deist also have many views. Yes, and JW’s believe that they are the only church. And I have never resorted to the Catholic Church as being the whore, for I believe that all dead religion is part of the whore.

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So I don't misunderstand and mischaracterize, which religions are dead and so of the proverbial whore?

Good question! This may surprise you. I believe that all of us have a bit of the whore in us. That is because we all have some dead religion in our stinking thinking. Unless we can claim that everything that we know is from God and is the truth, and I do not know anybody that has all truth do you?

Everything that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, (see 2 Cor. 10:3-5) is not of the truth or is not from God and his Holy Spirit and therefore is dead religion or born of the whore.

And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. Rev 17:5

The Greek word for “Babylon” is ‘Babulon’, which simply means confusion.

Hello. There is only one truth. Yet we have all this confusion going on in these forums and in the world.

So when a church or a cult or a sect or a group of people say that they are the true church and that they are the only church and everyone else is of the whore. To me they have not realized that the whore is still in them for they have not come to perfect truth neither are they the perfect church.

Therfore the whore is made up of all “religious ideas” that are in contrast to the truth. So the whore can be found in all of us and in every church.

But, God is calling us out and leading us by his Spirit into all truth.

Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. Revelation 18:4

Blessings!

[942767]

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Quote (942767 @ April 20 2008,05:43) Quote (Not3in1 @ April 19 2008,19:10) 94, Allowing it to happen, or causing it to happen? Although some things that have happened in the scriptures are difficult to understand, I can assure you that God's ultimate purpose in whatever He does or allows, is to save His children from the consequence of sin. But how can killing innocent children save other children?

Hi Mandy:

Apparently, destroying the children of desobedient parents was part of God's punishment to the parents.

[942767]

Quote (kejonn @ April 20 2008,06:16)

Quote (942767 @ April 19 2008,13:01) Quote (kejonn @ April 19 2008,07:15) Just fessin' up . I know what I do here is unwelcome, but I feel obligated to stand up for God when I feel He is being spoken poorly of. I think the OT does just that. Everytime I read Deu 28:63, I just don't know how others can shut down reason and morality and say they want to believe the beneficient Maker of all would say He takes pleasure in destroying people. Hi KJ: And so you are “fessing up”, but unlike Towshab, who when the Jews told him that it was not right for him to come trying to draw people away from what they believed to be the truth, stopped posting on this site, you continue right on with your agenda. Let me ask you, would you witness to a Muslim and tell him he was wrong, or would you leave him alone? I am not Towshab. The difference between him and I is that he accepted the OT more or less, but I think it insults God. Quote It is one thing when you have ligitimate questions about the bible and about Christianity, but it is another when your motives are to draw people away from the faith. What is faith? If your faith is in God and not a book, you should have no issues. But when your faith is in a book, you may indeed have issues. Most die hard fundamentalists have more faith in a book about God than God Himself. Quote Again, I know that God is a reality and that His testimony regarding His Son and His Christ, Jesus is true by the Holy Spirit that dwells within me. And again, any person of any religion can say similar things about themselves. A Muslim can say he knows Allah is real and the Koran is right based on his own experiences. So who is right, you or him? Quote The Christian walk is based on believing that Jesus is the propitation for our sin and obeying the commandments of God which are summed up the these two commanments:  Thou shalt love the LORD they God with all of they heart, mind, and soul and thy neighbor as thy self.  Love works no ill will toward his neighor and therfore, fulfills this portion of the Law. Loving God should not come with conditions. You are saying one must also believe that one man in the the 1st century appeared for a few years, performed some miracles, was killed then rose from the dead. Why must we believe this when only one book even says this actually happened? Quote If it were possible that Christianity was not the truth (I know that it is), and a person dies believing this what harm has he done to anyone.  If there is no resurrection, then he is simply lived and did good to humanity and that is the end of it.  There is no judgment day and so, that is the end of it for a Christian and anyone regardless of what they believe or how they lived their lives. And that is fine if you do that individually. But Some do not: they insist on believing that others who do not believe as they do are going to hell without Jesus. Quote On the other hand if what Jesus taught is the truth then I believe you and other non believers have a problem, but it is your problem, and so, go about your business. You're view is a common one. It says “You better accept Jesus, just in case”. Its like making a prenuptial agreement before a marriage.

Hi KJ:

I have offered to share the gospel with many including Muslims, Jews, Buddhists and whatever other there may be using a trac that I prepared to do this.

I offer to share this with them if they want to hear what I have to say. This is nothing that is forced on them, and I don't tell them that they are wrong, I share with them what I know to be the truth.

[942767]

Hi KJ:

You can do whatsoever you please relative to accepting Jesus. You cannot be a Christian without believing that he is who God and he say that he is, and based on your posts, it would be impossible at least at the present time.

[kejonn]

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Quote (Not3in1 @ April 20 2008,07:18) Quote (942767 @ April 20 2008,05:43) Quote (Not3in1 @ April 19 2008,19:10) 94, Allowing it to happen, or causing it to happen? Although some things that have happened in the scriptures are difficult to understand, I can assure you that God's ultimate purpose in whatever He does or allows, is to save His children from the consequence of sin. But how can killing innocent children save other children? Hi Mandy: Apparently, destroying the children of desobedient parents was part of God's punishment to the parents.

You're digging a hole for yourself. The OT speaks of each person being responsible for their own sins. Even Jesus, when someone asked why a man was blind said it was not the fault of the parents.

[kejonn]

Quote (942767 @ April 19 2008,17:04)

Hi KJ: I have offered to share the gospel with many including Muslims, Jews, Buddhists and whatever other there may be using a trac that I prepared to do this. I offer to share this with them if they want to hear what I have to say. This is nothing that is forced on them, and I don't tell them that they are wrong, I share with them what I know to be the truth.

But how do you know that what they believe is not the truth? Truth in faith is very personal.

[kejonn]

Quote (942767 @ April 19 2008,17:09)

Hi KJ: You can do whatsoever you please relative to accepting Jesus. You cannot be a Christian without believing that he is who God and he say that he is, and based on your posts, it would be impossible at least at the present time.

I would have thought the user class would have clued you into me not being a Christian .

Show me one place where God ever said Jesus was the messiah or the Christ.

[Not3in1]

Quote (942767 @ April 20 2008,09:46)

Quote (Not3in1 @ April 20 2008,07:18) Quote (942767 @ April 20 2008,05:43) Quote (Not3in1 @ April 19 2008,19:10) 94, Allowing it to happen, or causing it to happen? Although some things that have happened in the scriptures are difficult to understand, I can assure you that God's ultimate purpose in whatever He does or allows, is to save His children from the consequence of sin. But how can killing innocent children save other children? Hi Mandy: Apparently, destroying the children of desobedient parents was part of God's punishment to the parents.

And so say it was today and he was punishing me for my sins, would it be OK for him to slay my 10 year old son for my wrongdoing? Would that be OK? Would that be justice served?

[942767]

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Quote (942767 @ April 20 2008,09:46) Quote (Not3in1 @ April 20 2008,07:18) Quote (942767 @ April 20 2008,05:43) Quote (Not3in1 @ April 19 2008,19:10) 94, Allowing it to happen, or causing it to happen? Although some things that have happened in the scriptures are difficult to understand, I can assure you that God's ultimate purpose in whatever He does or allows, is to save His children from the consequence of sin. But how can killing innocent children save other children? Hi Mandy: Apparently, destroying the children of desobedient parents was part of God's punishment to the parents. And so say it was today and he was punishing me for my sins, would it be OK for him to slay my 10 year old son for my wrongdoing?  Would that be OK?  Would that be justice served?

Hi Mandy:

Is he punishing your ten year old boy for your sin at present or would he if you were not obeying. The answer is no.

But there is a day if judgment coming when the church will be raptured out of this world, and then every thing that is not part of the body of Christ will be destroyed. If you are not part of the body of Christ at that time, then your children who are under your law are not part of the body of Christ either, but they will die physically-that is their body will die. You, however, will be judged, and will be punished according to your works. Your body and your soul will be destroyed.

If you any children who have died who were not part of body of Christ prior to his coming for the church, they will not be resurrected and judged at the second resurrection, but the parents who were not a part of the body of Christ will be judged and punished according to their works.

[Stu]

In response to 942767's pathological beliefs outlined above, I recommend this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7QVbJnSPQE
http://www.blasphemychallenge.com/

942767 I deny that your god is compassionate, loving or even there. That is my gut reaction to your brutal philosophy. At that point, words fail me somewhat. Mental illness is treated in humane societies. For some reason we do not offer treatment to people who believe this.

Stuart

[942767]

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Mat 5:10 Blessed [are] they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Mat 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Mat 5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great [is] your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you

[Stu]

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Quote Mat 5:10  Blessed [are] they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Mat 5:11  Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Mat 5:12  Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great [is] your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you

So saith the 1st century spin doctors for zealous christianity.

Stuart

[Not3in1]

Quote (Stu @ April 20 2008,14:41)

In response to 942767's pathological beliefs outlined above, I recommend this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7QVbJnSPQE http://www.blasphemychallenge.com/ 942767 I deny that your god is compassionate, loving or even there.  That is my gut reaction to your brutal philosophy.  At that point, words fail me somewhat.  Mental illness is treated in humane societies.  For some reason we do not offer treatment to people who believe this. Stuart

oooooooooooooo, Stu, you're going to hell now for sure!

Listen, I don't really judge 94's views because it's what he has become convinced of. I do not agree with his views. I think that children being punished and slaughtered for their parents wrong doing is not just. There is nothing just about it whatsoever. This obviously goes against orthodox biblical teaching, I realize. It is here that I truly realize that Houston, we have a problem! And that problem is the bible.

[942767]

Quote (Not3in1 @ April 20 2008,19:53)

Quote (Stu @ April 20 2008,14:41) In response to 942767's pathological beliefs outlined above, I recommend this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7QVbJnSPQE http://www.blasphemychallenge.com/ 942767 I deny that your god is compassionate, loving or even there.  That is my gut reaction to your brutal philosophy.  At that point, words fail me somewhat.  Mental illness is treated in humane societies.  For some reason we do not offer treatment to people who believe this. Stuart oooooooooooooo, Stu, you're going to hell now for sure! Listen, I don't really judge 94's views because it's what he has become convinced of.  I do not agree with his views.  I think that children being punished and slaughtered for their parents wrong doing is not just.  There is nothing just about it whatsoever.  This obviously goes against orthodox biblical teaching, I realize.  It is here that I truly realize that Houston, we have a problem!  And that problem is the bible.

Hi Mandy:

If he or you go to hell, it is because that is what you have chosen for yourself.

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Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Jhn 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. Jhn 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. Jhn 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

[kejonn]

Quote (Not3in1 @ April 20 2008,02:53)

Quote (Stu @ April 20 2008,14:41) In response to 942767's pathological beliefs outlined above, I recommend this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7QVbJnSPQE http://www.blasphemychallenge.com/ 942767 I deny that your god is compassionate, loving or even there. That is my gut reaction to your brutal philosophy. At that point, words fail me somewhat. Mental illness is treated in humane societies. For some reason we do not offer treatment to people who believe this. Stuart oooooooooooooo, Stu, you're going to hell now for sure! Listen, I don't really judge 94's views because it's what he has become convinced of. I do not agree with his views. I think that children being punished and slaughtered for their parents wrong doing is not just. There is nothing just about it whatsoever. This obviously goes against orthodox biblical teaching, I realize. It is here that I truly realize that Houston, we have a problem! And that problem is the bible.

Actually, it doesn't.

Eze 18:20 “The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father's iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son's iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.

[Not3in1]

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Quote (Not3in1 @ April 20 2008,19:53) Quote (Stu @ April 20 2008,14:41) In response to 942767's pathological beliefs outlined above, I recommend this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7QVbJnSPQE http://www.blasphemychallenge.com/ 942767 I deny that your god is compassionate, loving or even there.  That is my gut reaction to your brutal philosophy.  At that point, words fail me somewhat.  Mental illness is treated in humane societies.  For some reason we do not offer treatment to people who believe this. Stuart oooooooooooooo, Stu, you're going to hell now for sure! Listen, I don't really judge 94's views because it's what he has become convinced of.  I do not agree with his views.  I think that children being punished and slaughtered for their parents wrong doing is not just.  There is nothing just about it whatsoever.  This obviously goes against orthodox biblical teaching, I realize.  It is here that I truly realize that Houston, we have a problem!  And that problem is the bible. Hi Mandy: If he or you go to hell, it is because that is what you have chosen for yourself. Quote Jhn 3:16  For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Jhn 3:17  For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. Jhn 3:18  He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Jhn 3:19  And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. Jhn 3:20  For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. Jhn 3:21  But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

No one would “choose” to burn in a lake of fire, 94.

[Not3in1]

What, if any of my “deeds”, need to be reproved? I don't love darkness! I have no idea what you are talking about, bro.

But because I do not embrace your belief system, you are throwing scripture in my face? I can see why folks believe that the orthodox Christians are the worst hypocrites around.

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