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Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2008,16:55) Hi not3,
You would use the revelation of God against Him?
Is that wise?
Revelation of God? Have you checked out Deu 28? 14verses on the blessings of obedience, but 50 more on the curses of disobedience. Some pretty mind-numbing and nauseating things Yahweh promises the disobedient.Hi KJ,
It is not my business to judge God.
Why would you think you were righteous enough to attempt such a task?Quote (Not3in1 @ April 16 2008,09:48) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 16 2008,09:44) Hi Guys,
Bunch up because you are making yourselves a powerful Enemy.
I guess the worst he could do is lop my head off while I'm holding my precious daughter's hand, and then cut her head off too!Then at least we would both be out of our misery.
Bound together the entire bible stirs up strife and desires its way that then the words become our slow murder by letter?Save the children! they contend the mission to cut our heads off
The Truth of the Bible has set me free. Where would I have been if it would not been for the Bible. Like I said before, I would still be in the Catholic Church taking part in the Abomination of Desolation. The Mass were Christ is sacrifice over and over again.
Homosexuality is very naughty to me, with all the stool around, no thank you. Even if it was not a sin, I would not participate because of that reason. Not only that we do live in the end times and many Anti=Christ have come. It looks more and more worse then Sodom and Gomorrah.
I am so ready.
For all those reason and others I would like this to end soon. How can you enjoy such a lifestyle? Because Mankind has made such a mess of things, He destroyed this world before. This time He will give people another chance of 100 years if then they can not go His way, He will destroy them in the Lake of Fire along with Satan the false prophets and Anti=Christ.
Peace and Love Mrs.Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 16 2008,09:55) Hi not3,
You would use the revelation of God against Him?
Is that wise?
That's just it, Nick, we don't know if it is truly the revelation of God. It appears that you see nothing wrong with all the mean and terrible things that God supposedly ordered? Or is it that you are so self-righteous that you could never admit that could be wrong? Maybe you're scared, or like my sister who is approaching retirement who honestly admits, “I'm getting to old to question things now – I'm going to go with what I've already been convinced of.” How sad.Is it wise to question God? I don't really know. But it is certainly wise to question the dried ink. It appears to portray God in a very nasty light – are you OK with that because tradition tells us that the book is God's word?
Do you think that is wise?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 16 2008,09:50) Hi not3,
Better to remember the voice of the shepherd and entrust yourself yourself to his loving Father.
The merchants of doubt and misery do not own you.
Hi Nick,
With that I agree. Jesus came to show us what the father was really like. He was nothing like the one depicted in the O.T.Jesus wanted to set us straight because we got some bad ideas about God from the O.T.
Some people even believe that Jesus was the God of the O.T.
How could any two beings be any more different?O.T. God said kill them all. Jesus said love your enemy.
O.T. God said kill everything that breathes, Jesus said if a man strikes you in the face, turn the other cheek.O.T. God couldn't even agree with himself.
He said, thou shall not kill and then said kill every man woman and child.O.T. God said thou shall not covet thy neighbors property,
Then said Kill them all and take what is theirs unto yourselves.Someone please tell me how any of that makes any sense.
Tim
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2008,17:04) Hi KJ,
It is not my business to judge God.
Why would you think you were righteous enough to attempt such a task?
No righteousness needed. Just a sense of common morality and decency.Quote (TimothyVI @ April 15 2008,19:28) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 16 2008,09:50) Hi not3,
Better to remember the voice of the shepherd and entrust yourself yourself to his loving Father.
The merchants of doubt and misery do not own you.
Hi Nick,
With that I agree. Jesus came to show us what the father was really like. He was nothing like the one depicted in the O.T.Jesus wanted to set us straight because we got some bad ideas about God from the O.T.
Some people even believe that Jesus was the God of the O.T.
How could any two beings be any more different?O.T. God said kill them all. Jesus said love your enemy.
O.T. God said kill everything that breathes, Jesus said if a man strikes you in the face, turn the other cheek.O.T. God couldn't even agree with himself.
He said, thou shall not kill and then said kill every man woman and child.O.T. God said thou shall not covet thy neighbors property,
Then said Kill them all and take what is theirs unto yourselves.Someone please tell me how any of that makes any sense.
Tim
The only problem with this is that Jesus never once said anything against the OT, thereby claiming that Yahweh was indeed his father.Tim,
I remember when I first started to talk to people about the Trinity, and I would say, “Have you noticed that the God of the OT is very different in personality than that of Jesus?
Most could not see it. They didn't get it.
I guess I didn't really either.
He had access to many of the books, although not in the nice leather bound edition that we have.
Jesus was a diplomat. He wanted to show us what God was really like without coming right out and saying that the scriptures were lies.
How long would he have been able to teach anything if that had been His tact.
Who would have listened?Tim
Quote (Not3in1 @ April 15 2008,19:38) But the OT was not completely written when Jesus was walking the earth. Which books did they have?
Depends. If you speak of what we know as the OT, those books were written hundreds of years before Jesus. There was something like 400 years in between the OT and Jesus. At least 300. The Apocrypha is a different story.Quote (TimothyVI @ April 15 2008,19:45) He had access to many of the books, although not in the nice leather bound edition that we have.
Jesus was a diplomat. He wanted to show us what God was really like without coming right out and saying that the scriptures were lies.
How long would he have been able to teach anything if that had been His tact.
Who would have listened?Tim
If you take the NT at face value, none of the learned Jews listened anyways. They were the ones who knew the OT.Guilt by association. Had Jesus known the mission of Paul, he would not worry about being rejected by Jews. None of it really makes much sense.
Quote (charity @ April 16 2008,09:59) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 16 2008,09:44) Hi Guys,
Bunch up because you are making yourselves a powerful Enemy.
umm…anybody for cheese cake?
Passionfruit topping?Stuart
Getting back on topic, I brought this up in a thread in the believers section ( which didn't go over too well).
Is homosexuality a choice, in so far as orientation? Personally I don't think any naturally heterosexual person decides to be gay. The few gays I have known in my life always felt they were different, it wasn't a choice per say. Perhaps it is like right and left handedness, some people are just born that way for whatever reason. Now there is morality in how one treats others in any sexual situation, but that morality or lack thereof doesn't come from basic orientaion. Having said that would I be happy if my children became gay, no, but that is because of my own cultural hangups, not that I think it a moral sin, they better not get tatoos or piercings either.:laugh:Well, to get it back to something “closer to home”, it wasn't too long back where interracial relationships were frowned upon. Today's homosexuals are yesterday's black/white couple. I even sat under a pastor who tried to justify this bigoted viewpoint using the bible.
In the same way you say you would be sad if one of your children was gay, I might feel similar about my daughter dating or marrying outside of caucasia. Why? Basically because of the ridicule she would face, and certainly the ridicule children of mixed couples face. But that is getting better in most places, so its not that big of a deal.
No, homosexuality does not contribute to furthering the human race, but there are plenty of heterosexual couples to take up the slack. If a person truly has feelings for the same sex, who are we to say they are wrong? We are not able to get inside their heads and hearts so we can't really make that judgment call.
Because of my biblical indoctrination, I always figured it was a sin.
I had a friend once who was a girl but looked and acted like a boy. People even mistook her for a boy. One lady at church even asked me who my new boyfriend was?
This girl later said she was a lesbian. It didn't surprise me. I tried to tell her it was sin. She just told me it was who she was.
I think I believe her now.
Well according to the OT, wome were second class too. So it seems that only the heterosexual man had full rights in those days. Everyone else needed to either make sacrifices or be killed for who they were.
Quote (kejonn @ April 17 2008,08:15) Everyone else needed to either make sacrifices or be killed for who they were.
What a heavy point! So true, unfortunately. Wow. Something to ponder.Quote If you take the NT at face value, none of the learned Jews listened anyways. –kejonn
Of course, this is incorrect. If we take the NT at face value (“a literal or direct meaning or interpretation”) did “none” of the learned Jews listen?
ACTS 26:5
“that have been previously acquainted with me from the first know, if they but wish to bear witness, that according to the strictest sect of our form of worship I lived a Pharisee.”PHILIPPIANS 3:5
“circumcised the eighth day, out of the family stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew [born] from Hebrews; as respects law, a Pharisee;”If we take it at face value, then you are wrong:
JOHN 12:42-43
“All the same, many even of the rulers actually put faith in him, but because of the Pharisees they would not confess [him], in order not to be expelled from the synagogue; for they loved the glory of men more than even the glory of God.”
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