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Quote (theodorej @ Sep. 01 2009,01:17) Quote (Stu @ Aug. 30 2009,13:24) Regardless of what you think of him Michael Moore was right about one thing: the US is the land of paranoia. The last two posts provide as much evidence as anyone should need.
Stuart
Greetings Stu….. Michael Moore is nothing more than a selfserving ingrate and any resemblence of his uterings, be it on film or in print is nothing more than extension of his huberous……This Gluton should not be taken seriously….
Hmmm. I think an ad hominem argument is not going to convince me that he is not onto something regarding the paranoid culture prevalent in the US.Stuart
Quote (Paladin @ Sep. 01 2009,02:37) Quote (Stu @ Aug. 30 2009,22:11) Quote (Paladin @ Aug. 30 2009,21:39) Well, if you know anything at all about Christianity, (which you obviously do not) you would know that three do not make a denomination. I have worship service in my home with my wife, and my Lord, and THAT makes a church. “Where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of you.”[Mat 18:20]
As for “The reference is posted here somewhere at Heavennet,” Thanks for the reference. So now you want to direct me to the exact precisely identified number of denominations, as though I am going to spend the rest of my summer looking through thousands of posts to find one estimate? I don't think so. Beside the fact you have no knowledge whatsoever as to how “seriously” your source made his “count.”
If you knew anything about the dictionary you would know that there is no number that defines a denomination.
How about you give me some references for all the spurious nonsense you have posted about homosexuality? Then I might take the time to find this one reference I have not provided for you.
I don't really care what you think of the statistic actually. Your sudden newfound interest in facts is disingenuous, I think.
Stuart
Well, I hav elooked for references to all that spurious nonsense in my post, but can't find anything but facts, and I already gave scriptural references for every fact.I don't know what it is you are looking for unless it is total capitulation by the Christian world.
Don'g look for it soon.
you can't find anything but facts……care to share where you found them (apart from your scripture, which is not relevant to today!)?
Stuart
Because one church does this does not mean we have a fallen nation. Most of the churches do not accept this behaviour. I am not necessarily defending them, they have enough false doctrine already but at least they can still read the world “Abomination”…and know what it means. God doesn't change.
Any church that accepts men and women who openly speak of their homosexual lifestyle and live that life, without calling those people to repentance in the same way we all have to repent of our sins, is shameful. No one should be holding an office in the church who is unrepentant. That includes that Deacon who is cheating on his wife and everyone knows it. Or the Preacher who nips a little wine on the side.
Quote (Stu @ Sep. 01 2009,14:54) Quote (Paladin @ Sep. 01 2009,02:37) Quote (Stu @ Aug. 30 2009,22:11) Quote (Paladin @ Aug. 30 2009,21:39) Well, if you know anything at all about Christianity, (which you obviously do not) you would know that three do not make a denomination. I have worship service in my home with my wife, and my Lord, and THAT makes a church. “Where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of you.”[Mat 18:20]
As for “The reference is posted here somewhere at Heavennet,” Thanks for the reference. So now you want to direct me to the exact precisely identified number of denominations, as though I am going to spend the rest of my summer looking through thousands of posts to find one estimate? I don't think so. Beside the fact you have no knowledge whatsoever as to how “seriously” your source made his “count.”
If you knew anything about the dictionary you would know that there is no number that defines a denomination.
How about you give me some references for all the spurious nonsense you have posted about homosexuality? Then I might take the time to find this one reference I have not provided for you.
I don't really care what you think of the statistic actually. Your sudden newfound interest in facts is disingenuous, I think.
Stuart
Well, I hav elooked for references to all that spurious nonsense in my post, but can't find anything but facts, and I already gave scriptural references for every fact.I don't know what it is you are looking for unless it is total capitulation by the Christian world.
Don'g look for it soon.
you can't find anything but facts……care to share where you found them (apart from your scripture, which is not relevant to today!)?
Stuart
Possibly “Not relevant” to YOUR day. Makes my day.Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 26 2009,22:53) Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 20 2009,10:00) kejonn said: Quote If you accept the bible as true, then there is some semblance of truth in his statement. However, I do not believe that all Christians peresecute others who are different than them, partly because most Christians don't have a clue about what is written in their bibles. What a bigoted statement! You infer that knowledgeable Christians are necessarily persecutors and Christians who do not persecute do not because they are ignorant.
YOU ARE A CLASS A-1 BIGOT! So take the beam out of your own eye.
thinker
How is it bigoted? As Stu said, do you even know what the word means? If you look it up, you would find that you make many more “bigoted” statements on this board than I ever would.Sorry to inform you, but the bible is chock full of persecution of others. Anyone who reads it without Christian-colored glasses can see it.
In any case, I know many Christians who do not look down on others for being different and engaging in activities, thoughts, etc. that are contrary to biblical living.
One wonders if the Jesus at the well (John 4) was really the same god who inspired Deut 28…
Did you not mean to infer that a knowledgeable Christian will persecute?thinker
This news article based on a recent study of about 2000 young New Zealanders shows that the bible should have no place in the education of adolescents.
Stuart
You have a pretty poor poll, all you give is the two opposite extremes, would have loved to have been able to participate, gld you don't work for Rathsmusan.
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination. Leviticus 19:22
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood upon them. Leviticus 20:13
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. Romans 1:26-27
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 1Corinthians 6:9
For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 1Timothy 1:10
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Jude 1:7
Ofcoarse this would mean absolutly nothing to you since your mind is rebrobate and you hate even the possibility of God.
Stu,
What is the unforgivable (unpardonable) sin?
A history of repeated rejection of the Holy Spirit is unforgivable when it reaches the point where the sinner is willfully deaf to God's call. (Mt 12:30-32)
A sin willfully committed in direct defiance of God is unforgivable when it reaches the point where the sinner is an avowed and committed enemy of God. (Nu 15:27-31)
You know anyone like this Stu?
Quote Keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane [and] vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: 1Timothy 6:20 “The true” or “sound doctrine” to be taught, as opposed to “the science falsely so called,” which leads to “error concerning the faith”. Where there is no faith, there is no knowledge.
Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 22 2009,12:38) You have a pretty poor poll, all you give is the two opposite extremes, would have loved to have been able to participate, gld you don't work for Rathsmusan.
Who is Rathsmusan?I agree it is not a great poll, it was a response to some other polls put up by christian homophobes that were even worse.
Nevertheless I do think the bible is pretty clear on the subject. If Paul says a group of people are worthy of death, what other option would you suggest people have?
Stuart
Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 22 2009,12:59) Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination. Leviticus 19:22 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood upon them. Leviticus 20:13
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. Romans 1:26-27
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 1Corinthians 6:9
For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 1Timothy 1:10
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Jude 1:7
Ofcoarse this would mean absolutly nothing to you since your mind is rebrobate and you hate even the possibility of God.
Stu,
What is the unforgivable (unpardonable) sin?
A history of repeated rejection of the Holy Spirit is unforgivable when it reaches the point where the sinner is willfully deaf to God's call. (Mt 12:30-32)
A sin willfully committed in direct defiance of God is unforgivable when it reaches the point where the sinner is an avowed and committed enemy of God. (Nu 15:27-31)
You know anyone like this Stu?
Quote Keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane [and] vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: 1Timothy 6:20 “The true” or “sound doctrine” to be taught, as opposed to “the science falsely so called,” which leads to “error concerning the faith”. Where there is no faith, there is no knowledge.
I do hate the possibility of god because I think the universe can only be beautiful without one.I am reprobate! I love it. I prefer fool, actually, but reprobate will do.
As I am such, the word sin is of no consequence to me whatever.
These gospel writers, and especially their megalomaniac friend Saul of Tarsus really worked hard to negate doubt didn't they? It is almost as if they are trying too hard to cover up their con.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Oct. 21 2009,22:50) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 22 2009,12:38) You have a pretty poor poll, all you give is the two opposite extremes, would have loved to have been able to participate, gld you don't work for Rathsmusan.
Who is Rathsmusan?I agree it is not a great poll, it was a response to some other polls put up by christian homophobes that were even worse.
Nevertheless I do think the bible is pretty clear on the subject. If Paul says a group of people are worthy of death, what other option would you suggest people have?
Stuart
What is a christian homophobe?As for a Homesexual, I could care less. But as a christian my faith is in the One True God. And I follow and try to lead my life by what is written in the bible.
If that bible states that God considers homosexuel behavior an abomination then I agree with it. If God tells me not to be like an homosexuel, then I will not.
If God tells me this is a mandate determining entrance into the new kingdom, then I agree to it.
But all of these, or one of these by no means makes me phobic. It is is a foolish notion. It is my ideals determining right from wrong to me through my faith.
If you disagree, then it's your issue. To me there is no issue.
Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 22 2009,18:37) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 21 2009,22:50) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 22 2009,12:38) You have a pretty poor poll, all you give is the two opposite extremes, would have loved to have been able to participate, gld you don't work for Rathsmusan.
Who is Rathsmusan?I agree it is not a great poll, it was a response to some other polls put up by christian homophobes that were even worse.
Nevertheless I do think the bible is pretty clear on the subject. If Paul says a group of people are worthy of death, what other option would you suggest people have?
Stuart
What is a christian homophobe?As for a Homesexual, I could care less. But as a christian my faith is in the One True God. And I follow and try to lead my life by what is written in the bible.
If that bible states that God considers homosexuel behavior an abomination then I agree with it. If God tells me not to be like an homosexuel, then I will not.
If God tells me this is a mandate determining entrance into the new kingdom, then I agree to it.
But all of these, or one of these by no means makes me phobic. It is is a foolish notion. It is my ideals determining right from wrong to me through my faith.
If you disagree, then it's your issue. To me there is no issue.
Have you read the article I linked to?Do you accept your share of the responsibility for young gay people taking their own lives which happens PARTLY because of the contents of your nasty book of bigotry?
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Oct. 21 2009,23:57) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 22 2009,18:37) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 21 2009,22:50) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 22 2009,12:38) You have a pretty poor poll, all you give is the two opposite extremes, would have loved to have been able to participate, gld you don't work for Rathsmusan.
Who is Rathsmusan?I agree it is not a great poll, it was a response to some other polls put up by christian homophobes that were even worse.
Nevertheless I do think the bible is pretty clear on the subject. If Paul says a group of people are worthy of death, what other option would you suggest people have?
Stuart
What is a christian homophobe?As for a Homesexual, I could care less. But as a christian my faith is in the One True God. And I follow and try to lead my life by what is written in the bible.
If that bible states that God considers homosexuel behavior an abomination then I agree with it. If God tells me not to be like an homosexuel, then I will not.
If God tells me this is a mandate determining entrance into the new kingdom, then I agree to it.
But all of these, or one of these by no means makes me phobic. It is is a foolish notion. It is my ideals determining right from wrong to me through my faith.
If you disagree, then it's your issue. To me there is no issue.
Have you read the article I linked to?Do you accept your share of the responsibility for young gay people taking their own lives which happens PARTLY because of the contents of your nasty book of bigotry?
Stuart
Let's see the Nasty Book of Bigotry is Anti-:Defilers – Arsenokoitēs: Homosexuels, Sodomites.
Disobedient – Anypotaktos: Disobedient, Refractory, Uncontrolled, Unruly.
Manslayer – Androphonos: Murderer.
Menstealers – Andrapodistēs: Kidnapper, Slave Dealer.
Lawless – Epiorkos: LawBreakers, Wicked.
Liers – Pseustēs: Faithless, False.
Perjured persons – Epiorkos: False Swearers, Perjured Persons.
Profane – Bebēlos: Common, Ungodly, Unhallowed.
Whoremongers – Porno: Prostitution, Illicit Sex, Sexuel outside of Marriage.
Etc. . .What a bigotted Book.
Quote (Stu @ Oct. 21 2009,23:57) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 22 2009,18:37) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 21 2009,22:50) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 22 2009,12:38) You have a pretty poor poll, all you give is the two opposite extremes, would have loved to have been able to participate, gld you don't work for Rathsmusan.
Who is Rathsmusan?I agree it is not a great poll, it was a response to some other polls put up by christian homophobes that were even worse.
Nevertheless I do think the bible is pretty clear on the subject. If Paul says a group of people are worthy of death, what other option would you suggest people have?
Stuart
What is a christian homophobe?As for a Homesexual, I could care less. But as a christian my faith is in the One True God. And I follow and try to lead my life by what is written in the bible.
If that bible states that God considers homosexuel behavior an abomination then I agree with it. If God tells me not to be like an homosexuel, then I will not.
If God tells me this is a mandate determining entrance into the new kingdom, then I agree to it.
But all of these, or one of these by no means makes me phobic. It is is a foolish notion. It is my ideals determining right from wrong to me through my faith.
If you disagree, then it's your issue. To me there is no issue.
Have you read the article I linked to?Do you accept your share of the responsibility for young gay people taking their own lives which happens PARTLY because of the contents of your nasty book of bigotry?
Stuart
I am as guilty as you are, do you take responsibility for all the athiests in the world in the massacres of millions of christians for believing in a God?Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 22 2009,19:40) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 21 2009,23:57) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 22 2009,18:37) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 21 2009,22:50) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 22 2009,12:38) You have a pretty poor poll, all you give is the two opposite extremes, would have loved to have been able to participate, gld you don't work for Rathsmusan.
Who is Rathsmusan?I agree it is not a great poll, it was a response to some other polls put up by christian homophobes that were even worse.
Nevertheless I do think the bible is pretty clear on the subject. If Paul says a group of people are worthy of death, what other option would you suggest people have?
Stuart
What is a christian homophobe?As for a Homesexual, I could care less. But as a christian my faith is in the One True God. And I follow and try to lead my life by what is written in the bible.
If that bible states that God considers homosexuel behavior an abomination then I agree with it. If God tells me not to be like an homosexuel, then I will not.
If God tells me this is a mandate determining entrance into the new kingdom, then I agree to it.
But all of these, or one of these by no means makes me phobic. It is is a foolish notion. It is my ideals determining right from wrong to me through my faith.
If you disagree, then it's your issue. To me there is no issue.
Have you read the article I linked to?Do you accept your share of the responsibility for young gay people taking their own lives which happens PARTLY because of the contents of your nasty book of bigotry?
Stuart
I am as guilty as you are, do you take responsibility for all the athiests in the world in the massacres of millions of christians for believing in a God?
No. They are responsible for that. However, you recommend (I presume) reading a book that describes people as worthy of death, which in some cases leads people to really believe it true of themselves. Have you torn Romans, Leviticus and Deuteronomy out of your bible, or do you advocate this incitement yourself?Stuart
Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 22 2009,19:36) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 21 2009,23:57) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 22 2009,18:37) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 21 2009,22:50) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 22 2009,12:38) You have a pretty poor poll, all you give is the two opposite extremes, would have loved to have been able to participate, gld you don't work for Rathsmusan.
Who is Rathsmusan?I agree it is not a great poll, it was a response to some other polls put up by christian homophobes that were even worse.
Nevertheless I do think the bible is pretty clear on the subject. If Paul says a group of people are worthy of death, what other option would you suggest people have?
Stuart
What is a christian homophobe?As for a Homesexual, I could care less. But as a christian my faith is in the One True God. And I follow and try to lead my life by what is written in the bible.
If that bible states that God considers homosexuel behavior an abomination then I agree with it. If God tells me not to be like an homosexuel, then I will not.
If God tells me this is a mandate determining entrance into the new kingdom, then I agree to it.
But all of these, or one of these by no means makes me phobic. It is is a foolish notion. It is my ideals determining right from wrong to me through my faith.
If you disagree, then it's your issue. To me there is no issue.
Have you read the article I linked to?Do you accept your share of the responsibility for young gay people taking their own lives which happens PARTLY because of the contents of your nasty book of bigotry?
Stuart
Let's see the Nasty Book of Bigotry is Anti-:Defilers – Arsenokoitēs: Homosexuels, Sodomites.
Disobedient – Anypotaktos: Disobedient, Refractory, Uncontrolled, Unruly.
Manslayer – Androphonos: Murderer.
Menstealers – Andrapodistēs: Kidnapper, Slave Dealer.
Lawless – Epiorkos: LawBreakers, Wicked.
Liers – Pseustēs: Faithless, False.
Perjured persons – Epiorkos: False Swearers, Perjured Persons.
Profane – Bebēlos: Common, Ungodly, Unhallowed.
Whoremongers – Porno: Prostitution, Illicit Sex, Sexuel outside of Marriage.
Etc. . .What a bigotted Book.
I agree. What a nasty piece of work.Stuart
Constitutionalist would you agree that all the gay people you know personally are pretty ordinary, caring people?
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Oct. 22 2009,01:09) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 22 2009,19:40) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 21 2009,23:57) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 22 2009,18:37) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 21 2009,22:50) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 22 2009,12:38) You have a pretty poor poll, all you give is the two opposite extremes, would have loved to have been able to participate, gld you don't work for Rathsmusan.
Who is Rathsmusan?I agree it is not a great poll, it was a response to some other polls put up by christian homophobes that were even worse.
Nevertheless I do think the bible is pretty clear on the subject. If Paul says a group of people are worthy of death, what other option would you suggest people have?
Stuart
What is a christian homophobe?As for a Homesexual, I could care less. But as a christian my faith is in the One True God. And I follow and try to lead my life by what is written in the bible.
If that bible states that God considers homosexuel behavior an abomination then I agree with it. If God tells me not to be like an homosexuel, then I will not.
If God tells me this is a mandate determining entrance into the new kingdom, then I agree to it.
But all of these, or one of these by no means makes me phobic. It is is a foolish notion. It is my ideals determining right from wrong to me through my faith.
If you disagree, then it's your issue. To me there is no issue.
Have you read the article I linked to?Do you accept your share of the responsibility for young gay people taking their own lives which happens PARTLY because of the contents of your nasty book of bigotry?
Stuart
I am as guilty as you are, do you take responsibility for all the athiests in the world in the massacres of millions of christians for believing in a God?
No. They are responsible for that. However, you recommend (I presume) reading a book that describes people as worthy of death, which in some cases leads people to really believe it true of themselves. Have you torn Romans, Leviticus and Deuteronomy out of your bible, or do you advocate this incitement yourself?Stuart
Torn out nothing, when it showed me how wicked I was, I repented instead of killing myself.Also I knew you would not take responsibility, the godless rarely do, for it is about themselves and their own fleshly desires and care nothing for others. I doubt you care anything for the homosexuel with the exception for argument sake in that they are your ammo against christianity.
Sounds like you are desperate. Are you sure you are a good advertisement for the christian delusion?
I do not take responsibility for the actions of others, except in the sense that we all share responsibility for looking out for one another. Will you be commenting on the “fleshy desires” of christians, of have you managed to remove that (god-given?) part of your humanity from yourself altogether?
Do you know me well enough to state whether I care nothing for others? It is not me that advocates hating your family in order to follow an invented martyr.
What would you have me say to my gay friend? I embrace him and his right to express himself free of your persecution. I reject your busy-body bigotry. For a believer in a belief system that brainlessly suggests you should not be interested in the affairs of men, you sure are interested in the affairs of men.
There is no need to look for 'ammo' against christianity. All you will ever need is to be found in its book of nasty spells, incantations and death threats.
Stuart
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