Homosexuality

[Cindy]

I have been reading most of the post made here. I truly belief that a Homosexual relationship is not what God wants, and therefore I find it wrong. The society has mostly accepted their practice, though.
Which doesn't surprise me at all. Whatever two married people do in their bedrooms however is excepted by God, you cannot defile the Married Bed.

I was born in Germany in 1938 and I remember the bombing well. Running for our lives was a daily event, that I do not want to ever go through again. My Father and my Husbands Father both lost their lives in that horrible war. I really don't know which is worse the Bombing or the Atomic Bomb. which goes fast and you are gone. What I find so ironic when we came to America in 1955 some American who lost their Father or Husbands would take it out on us Germans. Since I now speak English most of the time, it got better for me. Our 4 Children don't even get bothered by all of this. We spoke English when we had the Children. It was better for them that we did. Some of our German friends, that we made here however did not do like we did, and their Children had a hard time, when they went outside to play with other American Children. These experiences that we had, we will; never forget.
Peace and Love Irene

[Douglas]

Quote (Cindy @ Aug. 28 2009,12:50)

I have been reading most of the post made here.  I truly belief that a Homosexual relationship is not what God wants, and therefore I find it wrong.  The society has mostly accepted their practice, though. Which doesn't surprise me at all.  Whatever two married people do in their bedrooms however is excepted by God, you cannot defile the Married Bed. I was born in Germany in 1938 and I remember the  bombing well.  Running for our lives was a daily event, that I do not want to ever go through again.  My Father and my Husbands Father both lost their lives in  that horrible war.  I really don't know which is worse the Bombing or the Atomic Bomb. which goes fast and you are gone.  What I find so ironic when we came to America in 1955 some American who lost their Father or Husbands would take it out on us Germans.  Since I now speak English most of the time, it got better for me.  Our 4 Children don't even get bothered by all of this.  We spoke English when we had the Children.  It was better for them that we did.  Some of our German friends, that we made here however did not do like we did, and their Children had a hard time, when they went outside to play with other American Children.  These experiences that we had, we will; never forget.   Peace and Love Irene

Actually the atomic bomb isn't that quick.

If you're right in the blast area, sure, you'll die pretty fast – of the intense heat and pressure wave.

If you're within the radius where a necessarily lethal does of radiation is delivered, you'll at least die over a few days to weeks of radiation sickness, nowhere near as fast as being blown apart by a conventional weapon but still not slow.

Outside that radius you may experience the unpleasant side effects of radiation sickness, and yet live longer, with a greatly increased chance of cancers and bearing mutated children.

Further away still, moving more into the indirect effects of the radioactive fall out, you may still suffer for multiple generations from the elevated radioactivity in terms of cancers and mutations.

Personally I think I'd pick regular bombing any day of the week – you at least have a chance through either luck or strategy (e.g. decent bomb shelter) to not die, whereas it's all about where you are in relation to the single bomb with a nuclear weapon.

Mind you, then you have fuel air explosives, which are still pretty high yielding and not as confined to a specific location as most smaller bombs, so affecting your chances to survive.

I guess really, better not to be bombed at all! I disagree that nuclear bombs are necessarily quick though.

[Cato]

Quote (Cindy @ Aug. 28 2009,12:50)

I have been reading most of the post made here.  I truly belief that a Homosexual relationship is not what God wants, and therefore I find it wrong.  The society has mostly accepted their practice, though. Which doesn't surprise me at all.  Whatever two married people do in their bedrooms however is excepted by God, you cannot defile the Married Bed.

God has set up homosexuality in a distinct and according to most studies a fairly stable (in percentage of populations) minority.  So perhaps he either approves or is apathetic over this practice for this small yet steady, minority.  I don't agree that scripture is God's unadulterated word but that of men so I don't follow the OT prescriptions of stoning these folks. I don't think sexual orientation is a choice, I don't know of any truly straight folks who have desires for the same sex.  
As far as the view that whatever two married people do together in the marriage bed is excepted by God, well not according to Leviticus.

Lev 20:18 If a man lies with a woman during her monthly period and has sexual relations with her, he has exposed the source of her flow, and she has also uncovered it. Both of them must be cut off from their people.

[Proclaimer]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 24 2009,09:44)

Hi P, Why did you expect the world and it's organisations to obey God? The god of this world controls them. Let the dead bury the dead.

Well said Nick.

Let the wicked be wicked and the righteous be righteous, the unholy be unholy and the holy be holy.

If we are honest as to what we are, then isn't that better than hypocrisy?

[Proclaimer]

And another thing. What does it matter if the Lutheran organisation have gay clergy?
Should it matter what denominations do?

Is not the Church the body of Christ.

If so, then organisations built by men will do what they want and let them I say.

Let the Church (the body of Christ) shine in a dark world. It is not wise to try and make the world look lit up.
Let the world stumble in the darkness and the righteous be led by the light of God.

This is how it is meant to be.

[Stu]

So when the righteous gay christians make their own beneficial interpretation of scripture, then you are behind them all the way, t8?

Stuart

[Paladin]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 28 2009,22:47)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 24 2009,09:44) Hi P, Why did you expect the world and it's organisations to obey God? The god of this world controls them. Let the dead bury the dead. Well said Nick. Let the wicked be wicked and the righteous be righteous, the unholy be unholy and the holy be holy. If we are honest as to what we are, then isn't that better than hypocrisy?

Agreed!

But, look again at the OP.

The issue is about ordaining Bishops (supposedly honest, holy, God fearing, and upright members of a religious society being appointed to a high office as examples lf what God wants of his people) who are flaunting their misbehaviour, CONTRARY to the very standards they are allegedly going to uphold.

THAT is what upsets me about it.

While it makes me sad when the worldly standards fall far below those expressed as applying to God's people, I understand and accept that it probably constitutes a minority. But for what is supposed to be God's people to not only practice such, but flaunt it in the face of agonizing believers who do not agree with it, well, it just boggles the mind and makes me wonder about the so-called “Spiritual leaders” of the establishment under consideration.

[Jodi Lee]

Quote (Paladin @ Aug. 29 2009,00:29)

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 28 2009,22:47) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 24 2009,09:44) Hi P, Why did you expect the world and it's organisations to obey God? The god of this world controls them. Let the dead bury the dead. Well said Nick. Let the wicked be wicked and the righteous be righteous, the unholy be unholy and the holy be holy. If we are honest as to what we are, then isn't that better than hypocrisy? Agreed! But, look again at the OP. The issue is about ordaining Bishops (supposedly honest, holy, God fearing, and upright members of a religious society being appointed to a high office as examples lf what God wants of his people) who are flaunting their misbehaviour, CONTRARY to the very standards they are allegedly going to uphold. THAT is what upsets me about it. While it makes me sad when the worldly standards fall far below those expressed as applying to God's people, I understand and accept that it probably constitutes a minority. But for what is supposed to be God's people  to not only practice such, but flaunt it in the face of agonizing believers who do not agree with it, well, it just boggles the mind and makes me wonder about the so-called “Spiritual leaders” of the establishment under consideration.

Hi Paladin,

Come on buddy, these are the same people who teach all sorts of biblical lies. Trinity, eternal torture, all sorts of ridiculous rituals, infant baptism! This is just icing on the cake. To me it just makes them look all the more like who they truly ARE, which is False Teachers. These churches and their followers are NOT by any means God's people.

[Paladin]

Quote (Jodi Lee @ Aug. 29 2009,08:09)

Quote (Paladin @ Aug. 29 2009,00:29)

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 28 2009,22:47) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 24 2009,09:44) Hi P, Why did you expect the world and it's organisations to obey God? The god of this world controls them. Let the dead bury the dead. Well said Nick. Let the wicked be wicked and the righteous be righteous, the unholy be unholy and the holy be holy. If we are honest as to what we are, then isn't that better than hypocrisy? Agreed! But, look again at the OP. The issue is about ordaining Bishops (supposedly honest, holy, God fearing, and upright members of a religious society being appointed to a high office as examples lf what God wants of his people) who are flaunting their misbehaviour, CONTRARY to the very standards they are allegedly going to uphold. THAT is what upsets me about it. While it makes me sad when the worldly standards fall far below those expressed as applying to God's people, I understand and accept that it probably constitutes a minority. But for what is supposed to be God's people to not only practice such, but flaunt it in the face of agonizing believers who do not agree with it, well, it just boggles the mind and makes me wonder about the so-called “Spiritual leaders” of the establishment under consideration.

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Hi Paladin, Come on buddy, these are the same people who teach all sorts of biblical lies. Trinity, eternal torture, all sorts of ridiculous rituals, infant baptism! This is just icing on the cake. To me it just makes them look all the more like who they truly ARE, which is False Teachers. These churches and their followers are NOT by any means God's people.

God's people were the one's who followed Moses in the wisderness, and fell because of doubts and fears, instead of faith inGod's word. Were they God's people? They were when they started out.

God's people were the ones who followed Jesus and the Apostles in the first century. Some, nay, many fell aside due to fear and doubt caused by heavy persecutions. Were they God's people? They were when they started out.

Many of God's people of today's generation lack the knowledge to know what is truth because of two things; 1st, bible study begins with the life of Christ, instead of the order in which the Holy Spirit published the books, and 2nd, because their leaders have led them to believe 2000 denominations is o.k. with Jesus. They are led into error by their spiritual leaders. Were they God's people? They may well have been when they started out.

I am concerned for them.

[Stu]

2000 denominations?

39,000!

Stuart

[Paladin]

Quote (Stu @ Aug. 29 2009,14:14)

2000 denominations? 39,000! Stuart

MY reference is to denominations in the United States, not the wide-wide-world.

There a under two thousand legitimate denominations of Christianity in the U.S.

I do not count voodoo, non-Christian alliances, Church of England, weird splinter groups, or disenchanted break-aways, denominations that are founded in Europe, Asia, South America, and etc, outside U.S.

For example, there is the “Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople” which is listed among “denominations” but is not in the U.S.; and there is the “Greek Orthodox Church of Jerusalem” which is also not counted by me; as well as many others.

And there are not 39,000. THAT is the number to which wild guesses has risen as internet debaters try to outdo each other.

[theodorej]

Quote (Paladin @ Aug. 27 2009,01:19)

Cato,Aug. wrote: [/quote] (Cato) Quote More people died in the firebombings of Dresden (as many as 135,000). It was the single most destructive bombing of the war–including Hiroshima and Nagasaki! Hmmmm!!! HIROSHIMA http://history1900s.about.com/od/worldwarii/a/hiroshima.htm Unlike many other bombing raids, the goal for this raid had not been a military installation but rather an entire city. The atomic bomb that exploded over Hiroshima killed civilian women and children in addition to soldiers. Hiroshima's population has been estimated at 350,000; approximately 70,000 died immediately from the explosion and another 70,000 died from radiation within five years. NAGASAKI http://history1900s.about.com/od/worldwarii/a/hiroshima_2.htm Approximately 40 percent of Nagasaki was destroyed. Luckily for many civilians living in Nagasaki, though this atomic bomb was considered much stronger than the one exploded over Hiroshima, the terrain of Nagasaki prevented the bomb from doing as much damage. Yet the decimation was still great. With a population of 270,000, approximately 70,000 people died by the end of the year. DRESDEN http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II Bombing of Dresden in World War II From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search The Bombing of Dresden by the British Royal Air Force (RAF) and United States Army Air Force (USAAF) between 13 February and 15 February 1945, twelve weeks before the surrender of the Armed Forces (Wehrmacht) of Nazi Germany, remains one of the most controversial Allied actions of the Second World War. In four raids, 1,300 heavy bombers dropped more than 3,900 tons of high-explosive bombs and incendiary devices on the city, the baroque capital of the German state of Saxony. The resulting firestorm destroyed 39 square kilometres (15 sq mi) of the city centre.[1] Estimates of civilian casualties vary greatly, but recent publications place the figure between 24,000 and 40,000.[2] A 1953 United States Air Force report written by Joseph W. Angell defended the operation as the justified bombing of a military and industrial target, which was a major rail transportation and communication centre, housing 110 factories and 50,000 workers in support of the German war effort.[3] Against this, several researchers have argued that not all of the communications infrastructure, such as the bridges, were in fact targeted, nor were the extensive industrial areas outside the city centre.[4] It has been argued that Dresden was a cultural landmark of little or no military significance, a “Florence on the Elbe,” as it was known, and the attacks were indiscriminate area bombing and not proportional for the commensurate military gains.[5][6] In the first few decades after the war, some death toll estimates were as high as 250,000. However, figures in the regions of hundreds of thousands are considered disproportionate.[7] Today's historians estimate a death toll of between 24,000 and 40,000,[2] with an independent investigation commissioned by the city itself stated that around 18,000 victims had been identified and that the estimated total number of fatalities was around 25,000.[8][9] Post-war discussion of the bombing includes debate by commentators and historians as to whether or not the bombing was justified, and whether or not its outcome constituted a war crime. Nonetheless, the raids continue to be included among the worst examples of civilian suffering caused by strategic bombing, and have become one of the moral causes célèbres of the Second World War.[10] (Cato) Quote Homosexuality is the last straw of God's displeasure?  Really it may be more open now but most studies suggest homosexual populations are remarkably steady (as a percent of the population) over time.  There are not more gays now then before just more admitting they are gay. My own inability to express myself has lead to another misunderstanding. I was not intending to convey the extent of the population that is gay has increased, I was intending to reference the fact gays are now far more influential in the leadership roles in the religious communities preciously closed to them. Now, the Episcopalians are blessing gay marriages and the Methodists are ordaining gay and Lesbian Bishops. This will have a far more devastating effect on the moral compass of our nation, than even having an openly gay Senator (Barney Frank) in the U.S. Government. It is not the NUMBER of gays compared to the population census that concerns me, it is the influential growth that is most troubling. Zs for your observations about all the good that has been done in a parallel time frame, that is truly a good thing, but the balance of good versus evil is not in my hands, it is in God's hands, and he has issued warnings after warnings, only to be dared and mocked. I guess when we have killed “enough” unborn, he will decide when “enough” is truly ENOUGH, and there will be retribution like nothing this world has ever experienced.

Greetings Paladin….Dresden was indeed one of the many atrocities of war….let us not forget who started the brutality….Germany fire bombed Covington in the UK first in addition we must not forget the V1 and V2 missles that rained down on unsuspecting British citizens….Heroshima and Nagasaki were the fruits of Japans brutality…

[Paladin]

Quote (theodorej @ Aug. 30 2009,03:02)

Quote (Paladin @ Aug. 27 2009,01:19) Quote (Cato @ Aug. 26 2009,13:19) (Cato) Quote More people died in the firebombings of Dresden (as many as 135,000). It was the single most destructive bombing of the war–including Hiroshima and Nagasaki! Hmmmm!!! HIROSHIMA http://history1900s.about.com/od/worldwarii/a/hiroshima.htm Unlike many other bombing raids, the goal for this raid had not been a military installation but rather an entire city. The atomic bomb that exploded over Hiroshima killed civilian women and children in addition to soldiers. Hiroshima's population has been estimated at 350,000; approximately 70,000 died immediately from the explosion and another 70,000 died from radiation within five years. NAGASAKI http://history1900s.about.com/od/worldwarii/a/hiroshima_2.htm Approximately 40 percent of Nagasaki was destroyed. Luckily for many civilians living in Nagasaki, though this atomic bomb was considered much stronger than the one exploded over Hiroshima, the terrain of Nagasaki prevented the bomb from doing as much damage. Yet the decimation was still great. With a population of 270,000, approximately 70,000 people died by the end of the year. DRESDEN http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II Bombing of Dresden in World War II From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search The Bombing of Dresden by the British Royal Air Force (RAF) and United States Army Air Force (USAAF) between 13 February and 15 February 1945, twelve weeks before the surrender of the Armed Forces (Wehrmacht) of Nazi Germany, remains one of the most controversial Allied actions of the Second World War. In four raids, 1,300 heavy bombers dropped more than 3,900 tons of high-explosive bombs and incendiary devices on the city, the baroque capital of the German state of Saxony. The resulting firestorm destroyed 39 square kilometres (15 sq mi) of the city centre.[1] Estimates of civilian casualties vary greatly, but recent publications place the figure between 24,000 and 40,000.[2] A 1953 United States Air Force report written by Joseph W. Angell defended the operation as the justified bombing of a military and industrial target, which was a major rail transportation and communication centre, housing 110 factories and 50,000 workers in support of the German war effort.[3] Against this, several researchers have argued that not all of the communications infrastructure, such as the bridges, were in fact targeted, nor were the extensive industrial areas outside the city centre.[4] It has been argued that Dresden was a cultural landmark of little or no military significance, a “Florence on the Elbe,” as it was known, and the attacks were indiscriminate area bombing and not proportional for the commensurate military gains.[5][6] In the first few decades after the war, some death toll estimates were as high as 250,000. However, figures in the regions of hundreds of thousands are considered disproportionate.[7] Today's historians estimate a death toll of between 24,000 and 40,000,[2] with an independent investigation commissioned by the city itself stated that around 18,000 victims had been identified and that the estimated total number of fatalities was around 25,000.[8][9] Post-war discussion of the bombing includes debate by commentators and historians as to whether or not the bombing was justified, and whether or not its outcome constituted a war crime. Nonetheless, the raids continue to be included among the worst examples of civilian suffering caused by strategic bombing, and have become one of the moral causes célèbres of the Second World War.[10] (Cato) Quote Homosexuality is the last straw of God's displeasure?  Really it may be more open now but most studies suggest homosexual populations are remarkably steady (as a percent of the population) over time.  There are not more gays now then before just more admitting they are gay. My own inability to express myself has lead to another misunderstanding. I was not intending to convey the extent of the population that is gay has increased, I was intending to reference the fact gays are now far more influential in the leadership roles in the religious communities preciously closed to them. Now, the Episcopalians are blessing gay marriages and the Methodists are ordaining gay and Lesbian Bishops. This will have a far more devastating effect on the moral compass of our nation, than even having an openly gay Senator (Barney Frank) in the U.S. Government. It is not the NUMBER of gays compared to the population census that concerns me, it is the influential growth that is most troubling. Zs for your observations about all the good that has been done in a parallel time frame, that is truly a good thing, but the balance of good versus evil is not in my hands, it is in God's hands, and he has issued warnings after warnings, only to be dared and mocked. I guess when we have killed “enough” unborn, he will decide when “enough” is truly ENOUGH, and there will be retribution like nothing this world has ever experienced. Greetings Paladin….Dresden was indeed one of the many atrocities of war….let us not forget who started the brutality….Germany fire bombed Covington in the UK first in addition we must not forget the V1 and V2 missles that rained down on unsuspecting British citizens….Heroshima and Nagasaki were the fruits of Japans brutality…

Agreed! 100%. No equivocation.

The murder of our own unborn however, cannot be blamed upon anyone other than our own mother-class of citizens.
And there is no way to tell how many of the millions of abortions are because of input from a mean daddy-class of citizens.

The totallity of murder because women want to exercise their
“freedom to behave like men” (called “penis-envy” a generation ago) is not equalled in any other country in the world.

Abortion has becoem the new “birth-control” method of choice.

[theodorej]

Quote (Paladin @ Aug. 30 2009,06:06)

Quote (theodorej @ Aug. 30 2009,03:02) Quote (Paladin @ Aug. 27 2009,01:19) Quote (Cato @ Aug. 26 2009,13:19) (Cato) Quote More people died in the firebombings of Dresden (as many as 135,000). It was the single most destructive bombing of the war–including Hiroshima and Nagasaki! Hmmmm!!! HIROSHIMA http://history1900s.about.com/od/worldwarii/a/hiroshima.htm Unlike many other bombing raids, the goal for this raid had not been a military installation but rather an entire city. The atomic bomb that exploded over Hiroshima killed civilian women and children in addition to soldiers. Hiroshima's population has been estimated at 350,000; approximately 70,000 died immediately from the explosion and another 70,000 died from radiation within five years. NAGASAKI http://history1900s.about.com/od/worldwarii/a/hiroshima_2.htm Approximately 40 percent of Nagasaki was destroyed. Luckily for many civilians living in Nagasaki, though this atomic bomb was considered much stronger than the one exploded over Hiroshima, the terrain of Nagasaki prevented the bomb from doing as much damage. Yet the decimation was still great. With a population of 270,000, approximately 70,000 people died by the end of the year. DRESDEN http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II Bombing of Dresden in World War II From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search The Bombing of Dresden by the British Royal Air Force (RAF) and United States Army Air Force (USAAF) between 13 February and 15 February 1945, twelve weeks before the surrender of the Armed Forces (Wehrmacht) of Nazi Germany, remains one of the most controversial Allied actions of the Second World War. In four raids, 1,300 heavy bombers dropped more than 3,900 tons of high-explosive bombs and incendiary devices on the city, the baroque capital of the German state of Saxony. The resulting firestorm destroyed 39 square kilometres (15 sq mi) of the city centre.[1] Estimates of civilian casualties vary greatly, but recent publications place the figure between 24,000 and 40,000.[2] A 1953 United States Air Force report written by Joseph W. Angell defended the operation as the justified bombing of a military and industrial target, which was a major rail transportation and communication centre, housing 110 factories and 50,000 workers in support of the German war effort.[3] Against this, several researchers have argued that not all of the communications infrastructure, such as the bridges, were in fact targeted, nor were the extensive industrial areas outside the city centre.[4] It has been argued that Dresden was a cultural landmark of little or no military significance, a “Florence on the Elbe,” as it was known, and the attacks were indiscriminate area bombing and not proportional for the commensurate military gains.[5][6] In the first few decades after the war, some death toll estimates were as high as 250,000. However, figures in the regions of hundreds of thousands are considered disproportionate.[7] Today's historians estimate a death toll of between 24,000 and 40,000,[2] with an independent investigation commissioned by the city itself stated that around 18,000 victims had been identified and that the estimated total number of fatalities was around 25,000.[8][9] Post-war discussion of the bombing includes debate by commentators and historians as to whether or not the bombing was justified, and whether or not its outcome constituted a war crime. Nonetheless, the raids continue to be included among the worst examples of civilian suffering caused by strategic bombing, and have become one of the moral causes célèbres of the Second World War.[10] (Cato) Quote Homosexuality is the last straw of God's displeasure?  Really it may be more open now but most studies suggest homosexual populations are remarkably steady (as a percent of the population) over time.  There are not more gays now then before just more admitting they are gay. My own inability to express myself has lead to another misunderstanding. I was not intending to convey the extent of the population that is gay has increased, I was intending to reference the fact gays are now far more influential in the leadership roles in the religious communities preciously closed to them. Now, the Episcopalians are blessing gay marriages and the Methodists are ordaining gay and Lesbian Bishops. This will have a far more devastating effect on the moral compass of our nation, than even having an openly gay Senator (Barney Frank) in the U.S. Government. It is not the NUMBER of gays compared to the population census that concerns me, it is the influential growth that is most troubling. Zs for your observations about all the good that has been done in a parallel time frame, that is truly a good thing, but the balance of good versus evil is not in my hands, it is in God's hands, and he has issued warnings after warnings, only to be dared and mocked. I guess when we have killed “enough” unborn, he will decide when “enough” is truly ENOUGH, and there will be retribution like nothing this world has ever experienced. Greetings Paladin….Dresden was indeed one of the many atrocities of war….let us not forget who started the brutality….Germany fire bombed Covington in the UK first in addition we must not forget the V1 and V2 missles that rained down on unsuspecting British citizens….Heroshima and Nagasaki were the fruits of Japans brutality… Agreed! 100%. No equivocation. The murder of our own unborn however, cannot be blamed upon anyone other than our own mother-class of citizens. And there is no way to tell how many of the millions of abortions are because of input from a mean daddy-class of citizens. The totallity of murder because women want to exercise their “freedom to behave like men” (called “penis-envy” a generation ago) is not equalled in any other country in the world. Abortion has becoem the new “birth-control” method of choice.

Greetings Paladin……Yes indeed every abortion,every advancement of the Homosexual agenda and the tacit exceptance of pornography in conjunction with the various movements to remove God from any mention in this country,just tells me God Is Not Going to bless this nation anymore and judgement is iminent….Organiz
ed religion has failed miseribly and matters not how many churches or denominations there are….We are told the true church bares Gods name (Church Of God )and holds fast to his statutes laid out in the Torah with specific emphasis on Lev:23…finding this church is my mission in conjunction with prayer so I may discern….

[Stu]

Regardless of what you think of him Michael Moore was right about one thing: the US is the land of paranoia.

The last two posts provide as much evidence as anyone should need.

Stuart

[Stu]

Quote (Paladin @ Aug. 30 2009,00:33)

Quote (Stu @ Aug. 29 2009,14:14) 2000 denominations? 39,000! Stuart MY reference is to denominations in the United States, not the wide-wide-world. There a under two thousand legitimate denominations of Christianity in the U.S. I do not count voodoo, non-Christian alliances, Church of England, weird splinter groups, or disenchanted break-aways, denominations that are founded in Europe, Asia, South America, and etc, outside U.S. For example, there is the “Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople” which is listed among “denominations” but is not in the U.S.; and there is the “Greek Orthodox Church of Jerusalem” which is also not counted by me; as well as many others. And there are not 39,000. THAT is the number to which wild guesses has risen as internet debaters try to outdo each other.

39,000 was the number produced by a fundamentalist christian who did a serious count. The reference is posted here somewhere at Heavennet.

Once you start making judgements like “legitimate”, I am surprised you did not just cut to the chase and say there is only one legitimate denomination, yours.

Stuart

[Paladin]

Quote (Stu @ Aug. 30 2009,13:27)

Quote (Paladin @ Aug. 30 2009,00:33) Quote (Stu @ Aug. 29 2009,14:14) 2000 denominations? 39,000! Stuart MY reference is to denominations in the United States, not the wide-wide-world. There a under two thousand legitimate denominations of Christianity in the U.S. I do not count voodoo, non-Christian alliances, Church of England, weird splinter groups, or disenchanted break-aways, denominations that are founded in Europe, Asia, South America, and etc, outside U.S. For example, there is the “Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople” which is listed among “denominations” but is not in the U.S.; and there is the “Greek Orthodox Church of Jerusalem” which is also not counted by me; as well as many others. And there are not 39,000. THAT is the number to which wild guesses has risen as internet debaters try to outdo each other. 39,000 was the number produced by a fundamentalist christian who did a serious count.  The reference is posted here somewhere at Heavennet. Once you start making judgements like “legitimate”, I am surprised you did not just cut to the chase and say there is only one legitimate denomination, yours. Stuart

Well, if you know anything at all about Christianity, (which you obviously do not) you would know that three do not make a denomination.

I have worship service in my home with my wife, and my Lord, and THAT makes a church. “Where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of you.”[Mat 18:20]

As for “The reference is posted here somewhere at Heavennet,” Thanks for the reference. So now you want to direct me to the exact precisely identified number of denominations, as though I am going to spend the rest of my summer looking through thousands of posts to find one estimate? I don't think so. Beside the fact you have no knowledge whatsoever as to how “seriously” your source made his “count.”

[Stu]

Quote (Paladin @ Aug. 30 2009,21:39)

Well, if you know anything at all about Christianity, (which you obviously do not) you would know that three do not make a denomination. I have worship service in my home with my wife, and my Lord, and THAT makes a church. “Where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of you.”[Mat 18:20] As for “The reference is posted here somewhere at Heavennet,” Thanks for the reference. So now you want to direct me to the exact precisely identified number of denominations, as though I am going to spend the rest of my summer looking through thousands of posts to find one estimate? I don't think so. Beside the fact you have no knowledge whatsoever as to how “seriously” your source made his “count.”

If you knew anything about the dictionary you would know that there is no number that defines a denomination.

How about you give me some references for all the spurious nonsense you have posted about homosexuality? Then I might take the time to find this one reference I have not provided for you.

I don't really care what you think of the statistic actually. Your sudden newfound interest in facts is disingenuous, I think.

Stuart

[theodorej]

Quote (Stu @ Aug. 30 2009,13:24)

Regardless of what you think of him Michael Moore was right about one thing: the US is the land of paranoia. The last two posts provide as much evidence as anyone should need. Stuart

Greetings Stu….. Michael Moore is nothing more than a selfserving ingrate and any resemblence of his uterings, be it on film or in print is nothing more than extension of his huberous……This Gluton should not be taken seriously….

[Paladin]

Quote (Stu @ Aug. 30 2009,22:11)

Quote (Paladin @ Aug. 30 2009,21:39) Well, if you know anything at all about Christianity, (which you obviously do not) you would know that three do not make a denomination. I have worship service in my home with my wife, and my Lord, and THAT makes a church. “Where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of you.”[Mat 18:20] As for “The reference is posted here somewhere at Heavennet,” Thanks for the reference. So now you want to direct me to the exact precisely identified number of denominations, as though I am going to spend the rest of my summer looking through thousands of posts to find one estimate? I don't think so. Beside the fact you have no knowledge whatsoever as to how “seriously” your source made his “count.” If you knew anything about the dictionary you would know that there is no number that defines a denomination. How about you give me some references for all the spurious nonsense you have posted about homosexuality?  Then I might take the time to find this one reference I have not provided for you. I don't really care what you think of the statistic actually.  Your sudden newfound interest in facts is disingenuous, I think. Stuart

Well, I hav elooked for references to all that spurious nonsense in my post, but can't find anything but facts, and I already gave scriptural references for every fact.

I don't know what it is you are looking for unless it is total capitulation by the Christian world.

Don'g look for it soon.

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