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Hey I have noticed that the “Persecutors of Christians” gang seem to love these homosexual topical threads.
Welcome back anyway.
Are these new threads exciting for you guys?
And what happened to findingnonbelievers.com ?
Quote (t8 @ Aug. 20 2009,05:08) Hey I have noticed that the persecutors of Christians gang seem to love these homosexual topical threads. Welcome back.
Are these new threads exciting for you guys?[/quote]
If you start new threads that advocate the hatred of other groups based on sex, race, or any other inherent human characteristic (no matter how much you disagree with it), then I will likely participate.
And what happened to findingnonbelievers.com ?
It no longer reflected the direction of my own personal life. It is/was my site after all.Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 20 2009,03:01) The bold lettering also does not infer that A = B. If I say that Christian clergy are pedophiles instead of saying some have been guilty of pedophilia, then you would say that I asserted Christian clergy = pedophiles. You did not say “some homosexuals are predators”.
Quote Why won't you give me the benefit of the doubt? Because your posting history on this topic shows that you believe your orriginal statement. If it walks like a duck…
Quote If a homosexual used similar language and said that he did not mean that christians = persecutors I bet you would take his word for it. No, I would not. If he said “History proves and people today can testify that Christians are persecutors” then I would conclude that the homosexual viewed all Christians as persecutors.
Quote Stu is saying that christians = persecutors. Where are you when he does this? thinker
If you accept the bible as true, then there is some semblance of truth in his statement. However, I do not believe that all Christians peresecute others who are different than them, partly because most Christians don't have a clue about what is written in their bibles.Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 20 2009,23:09) If you accept the bible as true, then there is some semblance of truth in his statement. However, I do not believe that all Christians peresecute others who are different than them, partly because most Christians don't have a clue about what is written in their bibles.
Are we not accountable for that which we know?
If we are ignorant, we are less accountable.
The more we know, the more responsible we should be.John 9:41
41 Jesus said, “If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.So who is worse? A person who knows little about what they believe, or a person who knows much and does nothing, even discarding that which he knows.
It's kind of easy to point out the faults in others, and a quite hard to look at one's own faults, isn't it?
I personally think the one who knows little is probably in a better situation because he hasn't burned his bridges and still has opportunity later to cross them.
Quote (t8 @ Aug. 20 2009,06:19) Are we not accountable for that which we know?
If we are ignorant, we are less accountable.
The more we know, the more responsible we should be.John 9:41
41 Jesus said, “If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.So who is worse? A person who knows little about what they believe, or a person who knows much and does nothing, even discarding that which he knows.
I agree. Many Christians who are more biblically literate tend to ignore some parts because they are unsavory and disagree with their humanity. They often try to wave a hand and say “that is old covenant” but they fail to recognize the character of their god is never supposed to change. What he ordered and condoned at one time can come back around if he so chooses.
t8, if Jehovah tells Christians to take another land by conquest (killing the peoples who presently inhabit it), would you participate? Why or why not? Don't give me the “Jesus would never…” stuff, the examples of your god ordering conquest and slaughter are plentiful.
Quote It's kind of easy to point out the faults in others, and a quite hard to look at one's own faults, isn't it? Sure, its human nature to do so. But that does not mean I cannot accept my own faults.
Quote I personally think the one who knows little is probably in a better situation because he hasn't burned his bridges and still has opportunity later to cross them.
Exactly! When I knew less, I was a “good” Christian. When I learned more….well, here I am
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Quote If you accept the bible as true, then there is some semblance of truth in his statement. However, I do not believe that all Christians peresecute others who are different than them, partly because most Christians don't have a clue about what is written in their bibles. What a bigoted statement! You infer that knowledgeable Christians are necessarily persecutors and Christians who do not persecute do not because they are ignorant.
YOU ARE A CLASS A-1 BIGOT! So take the beam out of your own eye.
thinker
Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 21 2009,03:00) kejonn said: Quote If you accept the bible as true, then there is some semblance of truth in his statement. However, I do not believe that all Christians peresecute others who are different than them, partly because most Christians don't have a clue about what is written in their bibles. What a bigoted statement! You infer that knowledgeable Christians are necessarily persecutors and Christians who do not persecute do not because they are ignorant.
YOU ARE A CLASS A-1 BIGOT! So take the beam out of your own eye.
thinker
But the knowledgeable christians are those who know that their bible incites Jews to commit murder, and has christians persecuting homosexuals because the book from which they preach the “Good News” claims that gays are worthy of death. They are without excuse and should consider their position: should they take a stance of incitement (“worthy of death”; by what means??) or should they reject those verses as bloodthirsty homophobia that constitutes persecution?Those who have no idea what Deuteronomy, Leviticus, Romans or apparently Jeramiah actually say, are free to make up their own christianity because they don't know the official line on homosexuals. I suspect they will go with whatever myth they were told by someone they think knows. After all, most christians do not realise how close a thing is the historicity of Jesus.
How is kejonn's statement bigoted? I presume you know the definition of the word.
Stuart
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 06 2009,17:05) Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 05 2009,22:10) Are Christians feeling threatened by those who don't desire the opposite sex?
Hi kejonnHow are you?
No, its not a fear for perfect love cast out fear.
But it is a concern for the direction our country is taking.
The lifestyles of Homosexuals are sinful, and as believers in the scriptures it is our responsibility to warn them of the pending judgment of God regardless if it is popular or not!
Hope you and yours are doing well!
Keith
What sin? Not according to thisMINNEAPOLIS – Leaders of the nation's largest Lutheran church voted Friday to allow sexually active gays and lesbians in committed relationships to serve as clergy.
Gays and lesbians are currently allowed to serve as ministers in the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America only if they remain celibate. The proposal to change that passed with 68 percent approval.
At 4.7 million members and about 10,000 congregations in the United States, the ELCA is one of the largest U.S. Christian denominations yet to take a more gay-friendly stance on clergy.
This country simply WILL NOT understand that Homosexual behaviour does NOT honour God.
According to the Tampa Tribune dated 8/22/09, The Lutheran Church will allow active gays into the clergy. Prior to this decision, only non-practicing gays were ordained into the clergy, but that has been changed by this decision.
This is an attempt to make homosexually acceptable in mainstream Society, through the auspices of the Church. It will only serve to cause further division, is my humble opinion.
Hi P,
Why did you expect the world and it's organisations to obey God?
The god of this world controls them.Let the dead bury the dead.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 24 2009,09:44) Hi P,
Why did you expect the world and it's organisations to obey God?
The god of this world controls them.Let the dead bury the dead.
Actually, I still carry around in my head and heart, the notion some of God's churches may yet repent of stupidity.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 24 2009,09:44) Hi P,
Why did you expect the world and it's organisations to obey God?
The god of this world controls them.Let the dead bury the dead.
Cheerful and optimistic as ever, Nick.On behalf of my fellow humans I forgive you of your misery towards humanity, for you know not why you do it.
Stuart
Quote (Paladin @ Aug. 24 2009,01:43) This country simply WILL NOT understand that Homosexual behaviour does NOT honour God. According to the Tampa Tribune dated 8/22/09, The Lutheran Church will allow active gays into the clergy. Prior to this decision, only non-practicing gays were ordained into the clergy, but that has been changed by this decision.
This is an attempt to make homosexually acceptable in mainstream Society, through the auspices of the Church. It will only serve to cause further division, is my humble opinion.
Homosexuality IS acceptable in mainstream society. It is just a narrow minority of religious and far-right neo-nazi homophobes who are under the delusion that their bigotry is widely accepted.Stuart
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 24 2009,10:23) Hi P,
God has only one church, the body of Christ.
Christ is not divided.
Agreed! I am trying to reach those who have divided themselves from the truth because of misled leaders. Like gay bishops.Quote (Stu @ Aug. 24 2009,17:24) Quote (Paladin @ Aug. 24 2009,01:43) This country simply WILL NOT understand that Homosexual behaviour does NOT honour God. According to the Tampa Tribune dated 8/22/09, The Lutheran Church will allow active gays into the clergy. Prior to this decision, only non-practicing gays were ordained into the clergy, but that has been changed by this decision.
This is an attempt to make homosexually acceptable in mainstream Society, through the auspices of the Church. It will only serve to cause further division, is my humble opinion.
Homosexuality IS acceptable in mainstream society. It is just a narrow minority of religious and far-right neo-nazi homophobes who are under the delusion that their bigotry is widely accepted.Stuart
And THAT is wishful thinking at its worst. If it was acceptable in even a minority, it would already be the law of the day. But it is not. There are still laws on the books in every state making sodomy illegal.For once in your life, try speaking the truth instead of just trying to make someone hate you over such stupid arguments.
Quote (Paladin @ Aug. 25 2009,00:25) And THAT is wishful thinking at its worst. If it was acceptable in even a minority, it would already be the law of the day. But it is not. There are still laws on the books in every state making sodomy illegal. For once in your life, try speaking the truth instead of just trying to make someone hate you over such stupid arguments.
Laws often lag behind public sentiment take for instance the various blue laws that prevented commerce on Sundays were still on the books in many places long after they were effectively ignored or derided by the general public.Sodomy is a term used today predominantly in law (derived from traditional Christian usage) to describe the act of anal intercourse, oral intercourse, or bestiality. So it does not apply only to homosexuals. I would guess that most people abhor beastiality, negative or disinclined to anal and probably practicing oral themselves. According to the U.S. Government Center for Disease Control' website, “In 2002, 55% of males and 54% of females aged 15-19 had engaged in oral sex with someone of the opposite sex.” Note this study covered just teenagers, I would imagine there are a good number of adults who practice same, which is why sodomy laws are largely ignored except in cases where it is non consensual which is propbaly the only reason they haven't yet gone the way of the blue laws.
Quote (Paladin @ Aug. 25 2009,00:25) Quote (Stu @ Aug. 24 2009,17:24) Quote (Paladin @ Aug. 24 2009,01:43) This country simply WILL NOT understand that Homosexual behaviour does NOT honour God. According to the Tampa Tribune dated 8/22/09, The Lutheran Church will allow active gays into the clergy. Prior to this decision, only non-practicing gays were ordained into the clergy, but that has been changed by this decision.
This is an attempt to make homosexually acceptable in mainstream Society, through the auspices of the Church. It will only serve to cause further division, is my humble opinion.
Homosexuality IS acceptable in mainstream society. It is just a narrow minority of religious and far-right neo-nazi homophobes who are under the delusion that their bigotry is widely accepted.Stuart
And THAT is wishful thinking at its worst. If it was acceptable in even a minority, it would already be the law of the day. But it is not. There are still laws on the books in every state making sodomy illegal.For once in your life, try speaking the truth instead of just trying to make someone hate you over such stupid arguments.
Why do you assume that everyone lives in the US?Here in NZ homosexual acts were decriminalised well over 20 years ago. I live in a civilised country that is generally respectful of human rights. Can you say the same for yourself?
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Aug. 25 2009,17:15) Quote (Paladin @ Aug. 25 2009,00:25) Quote (Stu @ Aug. 24 2009,17:24) Quote (Paladin @ Aug. 24 2009,01:43) This country simply WILL NOT understand that Homosexual behaviour does NOT honour God. According to the Tampa Tribune dated 8/22/09, The Lutheran Church will allow active gays into the clergy. Prior to this decision, only non-practicing gays were ordained into the clergy, but that has been changed by this decision.
This is an attempt to make homosexually acceptable in mainstream Society, through the auspices of the Church. It will only serve to cause further division, is my humble opinion.
Homosexuality IS acceptable in mainstream society. It is just a narrow minority of religious and far-right neo-nazi homophobes who are under the delusion that their bigotry is widely accepted.Stuart
And THAT is wishful thinking at its worst. If it was acceptable in even a minority, it would already be the law of the day. But it is not. There are still laws on the books in every state making sodomy illegal.For once in your life, try speaking the truth instead of just trying to make someone hate you over such stupid arguments.
Why do you assume that everyone lives in the US?Here in NZ homosexual acts were decriminalised well over 20 years ago. I live in a civilised country that is generally respectful of human rights. Can you say the same for yourself?
Stuart
Just you wait till I come down from my tree and we'll discuss that.I guess it depends upon what you mean by “civilization” doesn't it?
I guess we are the only tree apes that put an ape on the Moon. So much for civilization.
Maybe that lifestyle appeals to you guys as a natioin, but not here. OF COURSE I am speaking only of my nation. Did you fail to read the several times I reference the falling of a nation, referencing my own?
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