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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 11 2009,13:50) Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 11 2009,06:44) Both of these polls are very unscientific, and thus worthless. It is not a poll taken randomly from a large population of both males and females, and judging by the thread participation, only males are voting here. How many girls were approached by an older male? Better statistics done elsewhere show no correlation with homosexuality and sexual predation.
Hi KejonnI think you are wrong.
Because the poll being in small numbers with the results that are so far stagaring to say the least.
Imagine if the big numbers were done here what it might show.
Your logic seems to be like a man digging up a shovel of dirt and finding a couple of precious jewels is not a good indication that there are more jewels in the area.
WJ
WJ, just do the reasearch man. Scientific research into this has shown that there is no correlation between homosexuality and sexual predation.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 11 2009,15:23) “MORALPHOBE” OR “MORALPHOBIA“. WJ
That would only work if we derived our morals from an unchanging ancient book written by desert nomads and ignorant fisherman.Quote (Paladin @ Aug. 11 2009,17:36) (P)Nope! An assertion that needs no “backing up.” Like I told you, I have informed you, your educaton on the subject is YOUR problem not mine. If you and I are in the same room, and I announce to you, “Your hair is on fire,” it remins for you to ascertain whether or not your hair is really on fire, or if I am making some off the wall assertion that is not possible.
You may assume “off the wall assertion” value to my remark, but that is YOUR decision, and is all right with me. In the meantime, you really should be checking your hair. That would at least be the prudent thing to do.
All this shows is that your information is erroneous. I could “inform you” that the moon was made of peanut butter and jelly, and then tell you to find out for yourself.Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 12 2009,07:24) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 11 2009,15:23) “MORALPHOBE” OR “MORALPHOBIA“. WJ
That would only work if we derived our morals from an unchanging ancient book written by desert nomads and ignorant fisherman.
Hi KejonnThere you have it, your morals are not derived from the same source as Judeo Christians. Ours are derived from the scriptures, hense “Moralphobe”, “Moralphobic” or “Moralphobia”, to all those who hate us. So make up your own words for your own derived sources for morality!
Does it make you feel better by showing so much love for your fellow man for calling them “desert nomads and ignorant fisherman”? You only wish you were smart enough to right a book or books that would remain the most popular read throughout the world for 3300 years.
So your point is circular, because you have the right to derive your morals from where you like and believe what you want and to even speak against the morals of Judeo Christians.
So again, how is it that you accuse Christians of hate for doing the same thing you are?
So you believe that it is moral like they do to have sex with the same sex?
Ok, but you are still making my point because, like you and them, we are preaching “what we believe” to be moral, we like you have that right, unless like the “moralphobic” group of gays and their cheer leaders, you wish to silence us for what we believe and force us to just shut up or else be called haters of men! Seems hypocritical to me.
They have their own label and now I have mine!
Moralphobe!
Thanks for listening!
WJ
Quote (Stu @ Aug. 12 2009,02:09) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 12 2009,08:23) Quote (Stu @ Aug. 11 2009,14:42) Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 10 2009,23:53) I do not post against believers, I post against beliefs. I do not hold anyone in contempt for their beliefs unless such beliefs lead them to infringe upon the rights of others.
Well said.Stuart
Hi StuAnd just what is it you think we are doing?
Can you show us any statement on here that is against them as humans? No we are against there own beliefs that it is Ok to have sex with the same sex.
We condemn their beliefs which translate into the way they live.
We have said over and over “hate the sin, and love the sinner”, but you guys have demonized us into haters of the homosexuals by labeling us as being Homophobic, when there is not a shred of evidence in our post that suggest such, but merely a pointing out that their actions are against nature and is sin and that the rate of pedophilia against 12-16 year olds is higher than the heterosexuals.
I have invented a new word for you guys….
“MORALPHOBE” OR “MORALPHOBIA“.
WJ
As I wrote in another of these spurious threads, it is YOU who preaches from a book that illegally incites people to murder homosexuals. If that is not personal hatred then I'm not sure what you consider to be persecution. It must be off the far end of the scale with which I am familiar.…we love the homosexual as we put her to death…
Stuart
Hi STUQuote (Stu @ Aug. 12 2009,02:09) [As I wrote in another of these spurious threads, it is YOU who preaches from a book that illegally incites people to murder homosexuals.
It has been explained to you many times that their is a New Covenant between God and man.But you choose what you like, that is your right. You can spill out all of your false accusations and continue to inflame the fires of hate the gays have against Christianity, when it has been said here over and over that we Love them and hate their sin.
Who is inciting them to hate but you?
WJ
WJ
Quote There you have it, your morals are not derived from the same source as Judeo Christians.
Is that supposed to be an insult from one god-believer to another? If so the difference in sophistication between you is striking.Quote Ours are derived from the scriptures, hense “Moralphobe”, “Moralphobic” or “Moralphobia”, to all those who hate us. So make up your own words for your own derived sources for morality!
Who hates you? Not kejonn. Not me. Not gay men. Hate seems to be only a necessity in your own head.Quote Does it make you feel better by showing so much love for your fellow man for calling them “desert nomads and ignorant fisherman”? You only wish you were smart enough to right a book or books that would remain the most popular read throughout the world for 3300 years.
They are popular reads today for ignorant people with lower intelligence, if IQ testing has any validity.Stuart
WJ
Quote It has been explained to you many times that their is a New Covenant between God and man.
So have you torn up the old one that compels you to stone people? And torn out the part of the NT that says the same? Was Paul reminiscing about the good old days when he inserted his homophobia into Romans?Quote But you choose what you like, that is your right.
Indeed it is. And I like to think that we have progressed with social justice and that your views are those of the ignorant redneck minority.Quote You can spill out all of your false accusations
What false accusations would you be referring to there?Quote and continue to inflame the fires of hate the gays have against Christianity
If you stopped passing your lame black-and-white judgements on people, and had the guts to stand up and say that the illegal incitement to murder contained in the ancient book of misery with which you are besotted is something you now reject, then perhaps those about whose behaviour you seem obsessed would not kick up so much. I think they have been relatively peaceful and restrained in the face of the mindless vitriol that christianity pours on them.Quote when it has been said here over and over that we Love them and hate their sin.
Perhaps there is little respect for your judgement. I don’t think it has much respectable about it. To hide behind the supposed hatred your Imaginary Friends expresses towards people whose sexual attraction is (again supposedly) your god’s responsibility is frankly a joke, or it would be if young gay people did not take their lives because of the inanity you go on and on with.Quote Who is inciting them to hate but you?
For the gazillionth time, it is not me preaching death. I don’t even think gay people have the motivation to hate you, or any other homophobic moralophobes like you.Stuart
Stu said:
Quote For the gazillionth time, it is not me preaching death. I don’t even think gay people have the motivation to hate you, or any other homophobic moralophobes like you. To All,
First Stu said that homosexuals are not predators. Now he says that homosexuals don't hate. I guess Stu thinks that the homosexual who sedated the college student and straddled him while he was sleeping was a form of love. I guess Stu thinks that the homosexual judge who in the beauty pageant harmed Miss California for no reason did it out of love.
I might need to start another thread to straiten Stu out even again. When he covers his eyes he goes all the way.thinker
Hi STU
Quote (Stu @ Aug. 13 2009,02:23) Who hates you? Not kejonn. Not me. Not gay men. Hate seems to be only a necessity in your own head. Please, instead of just vomiting out false accusations and insults why don't you show us where we hate gays?
WJ
Hi Stu
Quote (Stu @ Aug. 13 2009,02:36) So have you torn up the old one that compels you to stone people? And torn out the part of the NT that says the same?
This is a lie! Show where Paul teaches to kill gays!WJ
Hi Stu
Quote (Stu @ Aug. 13 2009,02:36) Indeed it is. And I like to think that we have progressed with social justice and that your views are those of the ignorant redneck minority.
You mean the social justice of the Homosexual community trying to force themselves down the Boy Scouts throat?Quote (Stu @ Aug. 13 2009,02:36) If you stopped passing your lame black-and-white judgements on people,
You mean like the lame judgments you make against Christianity?Quote (Stu @ Aug. 13 2009,02:36) Perhaps there is little respect for your judgement.
Definately no respect for your judgment here!Quote (Stu @ Aug. 13 2009,02:36) For the gazillionth time, it is not me preaching death. I don’t even think gay people have the motivation to hate you, or any other homophobic moralophobes like you.
Oh so now the gay community doesn't even have hate in there ranks, especially for Judeo Christians?
Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 14 2009,05:10) Stu said: Quote For the gazillionth time, it is not me preaching death. I don’t even think gay people have the motivation to hate you, or any other homophobic moralophobes like you. To All,
First Stu said that homosexuals are not predators. Now he says that homosexuals don't hate. I guess Stu thinks that the homosexual who sedated the college student and straddled him while he was sleeping was a form of love. I guess Stu thinks that the homosexual judge who in the beauty pageant harmed Miss California for no reason did it out of love. I might need to start another thread to straiten Stu out even again. When he covers his eyes he goes all the way.thinker
Your posts in these threads have been unbelievably tedious, and although you said I would not be hearing from you again you seem to have overcome that reluctance spectacularly well.Only an idiot would confuse homosexuality with non-consentual sexual connection.
Only a hypocrite would preach from a book that commands homicide for gays then complain that the homosexuals who are not inciting people to murder are persecuting them.
Are you an idiot or a hypocrite thethinker? I would like to think you were not.
Maybe you will be able to straighten me out when you can spell it.
Stuart
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 14 2009,05:26) Hi Stu Quote (Stu @ Aug. 13 2009,02:36) So have you torn up the old one that compels you to stone people? And torn out the part of the NT that says the same?
This is a lie! Show where Paul teaches to kill gays!WJ
Romans 1:31-32Stuart
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 14 2009,05:30) Quote (Stu @ Aug. 13 2009,02:36) If you stopped passing your lame black-and-white judgements on people,
You mean like the lame judgments you make against Christianity?
My lame judgements on christianity show every nuance of grey and are based on a careful consideration of what could reasonable be taken to be true.We differ at least on that.
Stuart
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 14 2009,05:35) Quote (Stu @ Aug. 13 2009,02:36) For the gazillionth time, it is not me preaching death. I don’t even think gay people have the motivation to hate you, or any other homophobic moralophobes like you.
Oh so now the gay community doesn't even have hate in there ranks, especially for Judeo Christians?
They have pretty good reasons if they do.You have no reason at all to persecute gays.
It is not as if christianity is an inherent part of your make up. It is a lifestyle add-on you chose, and an immoral one in my opinion. You were born atheist. What went wrong? By contrast, homosexuality is built into the makeup of the gay person from before birth. Nothing went wrong for them, unless your would like to concede that your omnipotent creator is incompetent in allowing the possibility of something that he supposedly has so much hatred for.
So how do you justify your moralophobic homophobia in terms that could be universally understood in ethical terms?
You have not done that yet. There are no victims of homosexuality in its own right, it is just the ancient middle-eastern prejudice you have insisted is the Absolute TruthTM on which you base your bile.
If I said as a non-believer you will boil in hot pasta forever for not paying homage to the Flying Spaghetti Monster (bhna) every time you order pasta at an Italian restaurant, you would pronounce me crazy.
Well your mythology looks exactly the same as that from where I am standing.
Can justify the nasty mythology you support that causes people to hide their sexuality or take their own lives because of it? Maybe it is time to consider whether Jesus would have wanted you to cause such needless misery for others.
If Abrahamists stopped their brutal judgements on gays they might not feel the need to object in turn.
I don't expect you to understand that though. You are well programmed by your belief system, which is why it is so insidious. Fundumentalist christianity is all about absolutism and brinkmanship, and its believers should be allowed to live in a special medieval world that has no moral philosophy or modern medicine. Afghanistan, perhaps. That is the kind of setup you crave by your fundamentalist religious mentality. You might also find out what happens when brutal fundies of different persuasions meet, too.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Aug. 13 2009,14:12) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 14 2009,05:26) Hi Stu Quote (Stu @ Aug. 13 2009,02:36) So have you torn up the old one that compels you to stone people? And torn out the part of the NT that says the same?
This is a lie! Show where Paul teaches to kill gays!WJ
Romans 1:31-32Stuart
LOLWe all are worthy of death, and in fact will all die!
WJ
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