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Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 04 2009,06:17) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 04 2009,05:53) Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 03 2009,13:32) Stu said: Quote Does thinker actually have an example of how homosexuality has victims, that does not generally also apply to heterosexuality? Most sexual predators are straight I have already provided examples.
1. I personally know a man who was in jail who was ganged up on by homosexuals for a piece of ___.2. I have have a friend who knows a college student who was sedated and while sleeping his homosexual roommate helped himself.
3. I have a friend whose young son had problems with homosexuals sexually harassing him.
4. A homosexual predator who once lived in my neighborhood sexually molested the young boy of his neighbor across the street. That boy began to do the same thing and it has destroyed his family.
Again I ask you: What world are you living in?
thinker
Hi ThinkerI personally was approached by gay men several times in my life as a young Kid between the ages of 12-16. I told them to get lost.
I know a guy who was Molested at 16 by a 52 year old man while he was asleep after the man got him drunk with mixed drinks untill he passed out. The guy woke up with the man stradling his face. Thats as graphic as I want to get here.
WJ
WJ,
Stu seems to have his head buried in the sand. If it wasn't for the homosexual friendly media hiding “gay” sins we would not be having this discussion.thinker
I wonder what Stu thinks the “Men with Boys” sex club is all about. But I don't want to ask him and get him stirred up.They claimthat every boy has the right to be “loved” by men.
Hi all
This is what scriptures says about the unnatural lust of the gay community!
Rom 1:18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness,
Rom 1:19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
Rom 1:20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities–his eternal power and divine nature–have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
Rom 1:21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.
Rom 1:22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools
Rom 1:23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
Rom 1:24 “Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another “.
Rom 1:25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator–who is forever praised. Amen.
Rom 1:26 “Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones“.
Rom 1:27 “In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and “were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion“.
Rom 1:28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.
Rom 1:29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips,
Rom 1:30 slanderers, God‑haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;
Rom 1:31 they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
Rom 1:32 Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, “they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
There is also something here for those who approve of those practices!
WJ
Quote (Paladin @ Aug. 04 2009,01:03) Quote (Stu @ Aug. 03 2009,06:27) Quote (Paladin @ Aug. 03 2009,00:21) Quote (Stu @ Aug. 02 2009,00:30) Does thinker actually have an example of how homosexuality has victims, that does not generally also apply to heterosexuality? Most sexual predators are straight. Stuart
You know these guys do you? You took a poll? Read a book? On what do you base such a statement?
I know just by paying attention!And by the obvious fact that by far most people are not gay.
Stuart
Ahhh!!!Yes!
An OPINION poll.
The ONE that counts!
YOURS!
What opinion poll?Stuart
Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 04 2009,04:54) Stu said: Quote Does thinker actually have an example of how homosexuality has victims, that does not generally also apply to heterosexuality? Most sexual predators are straight .
How many victims must homosexuality need to have before you will admit that homosexuality also has its predators and its victims?
I did see a newscast once that was about organized crime by homosexuals against young boys in Italy. So it doesn't matter which predator takes the most victims. If homosexuals engage in organized crimes against young boys then the number of victims by homosexuals represent much more than anecdotal examples. Homosexuality just as any other takes one too many victims. Wake up dude!
thinker
Once again you bias your accusation towards gay predators and conveniently forget the straight ones.You are also tediously going straight for the consent issue without acknowledging it. These ARE victims you are discussing now. What are they victims of? Homosexuality or predation? Are you seriously suggesting that most or all homosexual activity is predatory?
Christians are the best in the world at moving goal posts to suit their argument. If it's not going well then argue an unrelated point.
Stuart
Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 04 2009,05:32) Stu said: Quote Does thinker actually have an example of how homosexuality has victims, that does not generally also apply to heterosexuality? Most sexual predators are straight I have already provided examples.
1. I personally know a man who was in jail who was ganged up on by homosexuals for a piece of ___.2. I have have a friend who knows a college student who was sedated and while sleeping his homosexual roommate helped himself.
3. I have another friend whose young son had problems with homosexuals sexually harassing him.
4. A homosexual predator who once lived in my neighborhood sexually molested the young boy of his neighbor across the street. That boy began to do the same thing and it has destroyed his family.
Again I ask you: What world are you living in?
thinker
You keep a lot of company with homosexuals. Don't you think your demi-god Paul would have wanted you to dust off your shoes?Your bias seems to have stopped you from seeing all the news reports of straight men who predate on young people on the internet or those who spike women's drinks to take advantage of them.
These are not 'heterosexual predation', they are just taking advantage, without consent.
I realise this is a difficult concept for you to grasp, but do try.
Stuart
Quote An estimated 91% of victims of rape are female, 9% are male and 99% of offenders are male. (Bureau of Justice Statistics 1999) This isn't rocket science. If you want to argue that a sexual orientation is bad because it “has victims”, then heterosexuality should have long ago been outlawed, owing to its great number of rape victims.
For the record, I am in Cato's camp. I don't “get” homosexuality, but as long as it is taking place in the realm of consenting adults, I don't need to.
Quote (Paladin @ Aug. 04 2009,06:27) Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 04 2009,06:17) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 04 2009,05:53) Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 03 2009,13:32) Stu said: Quote Does thinker actually have an example of how homosexuality has victims, that does not generally also apply to heterosexuality? Most sexual predators are straight I have already provided examples.
1. I personally know a man who was in jail who was ganged up on by homosexuals for a piece of ___.2. I have have a friend who knows a college student who was sedated and while sleeping his homosexual roommate helped himself.
3. I have a friend whose young son had problems with homosexuals sexually harassing him.
4. A homosexual predator who once lived in my neighborhood sexually molested the young boy of his neighbor across the street. That boy began to do the same thing and it has destroyed his family.
Again I ask you: What world are you living in?
thinker
Hi ThinkerI personally was approached by gay men several times in my life as a young Kid between the ages of 12-16. I told them to get lost.
I know a guy who was Molested at 16 by a 52 year old man while he was asleep after the man got him drunk with mixed drinks untill he passed out. The guy woke up with the man stradling his face. Thats as graphic as I want to get here.
WJ
WJ,
Stu seems to have his head buried in the sand. If it wasn't for the homosexual friendly media hiding “gay” sins we would not be having this discussion.thinker
I wonder what Stu thinks the “Men with Boys” sex club is all about. But I don't want to ask him and get him stirred up.They claimthat every boy has the right to be “loved” by men.
INFORMED CONSENT is what it is about. Minors are not given the right to give such consent for good reason, and that is why any kind of sexual relations under the age of CONSENT is illegal. Seriously, do you think illegal underage homosexual relations are more prevalent than heterosexual ones?I don't know what the stats are by proportion of gay/straight but that might be a bit difficult to determine given the persistent attitude that abrahamic religions have to gay people (even Jews in Israel now!) and the likelihood of determining the actual spectrum of sexuality in the population.
Good grief.
Don't get thinker to do your thinking for you, that would not be an effective strategy. Do you have a brain, or just a knee-jerk centre up there in your cranium?
Stuart
If the truth be known, most everyone has probably at some time in their life been approached by some one gay for sex!
Maybe you should add a companion poll asking women how many times they have been approached by a (non-spousal) man for sex. Should be enlightening!
Seriously, unless you were forced to have sex with a gay person, I don't see what your point is.
Quote An estimated 91% of victims of rape are female, 9% are male and 99% of offenders are male. (Bureau of Justice Statistics 1999) Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Aug. 03 2009,16:05) Maybe you should add a companion poll asking women how many times they have been approached by a (non-spousal) man for sex. Should be enlightening! Seriously, unless you were forced to have sex with a gay person, I don't see what your point is.
Quote An estimated 91% of victims of rape are female, 9% are male and 99% of offenders are male. (Bureau of Justice Statistics 1999)
WITThe point is simple, these guys or gals also are predators and they have an agenda to make everyone like themselves.
I don't know of any other predator that has such an agenda do you?
So why didn't you vote?
WJ
How many have been approached when they were minors 16 or under?
The problem is worse than you think!
WJ
Quote (Stu @ Aug. 04 2009,07:31) Quote INFORMED CONSENT is what it is about. FINALLY!
THAT is what I have been doing. INFORMING you! God said men using men as they would a woman is an abomination.
YOU HAVE BEEN INFORMED.
Who you consent to is now on your own head.
Are you going to ask how many young women were approached by lecherous straight men?
Is being told about hell by a christian worse than sexual abuse for young people? There are those who say it is.
Shall we start another poll? Who here has told nasty christian lies to children?
Eternal damnation lies?
Creationist lies?
Stopping them from socialising with their peers?
What else constitutes abuse of the young that you are conveniently ignoring?
Stuart
Quote (Paladin @ Aug. 04 2009,06:27) Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 04 2009,06:17) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 04 2009,05:53) Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 03 2009,13:32) Stu said: Quote Does thinker actually have an example of how homosexuality has victims, that does not generally also apply to heterosexuality? Most sexual predators are straight I have already provided examples.
1. I personally know a man who was in jail who was ganged up on by homosexuals for a piece of ___.2. I have have a friend who knows a college student who was sedated and while sleeping his homosexual roommate helped himself.
3. I have a friend whose young son had problems with homosexuals sexually harassing him.
4. A homosexual predator who once lived in my neighborhood sexually molested the young boy of his neighbor across the street. That boy began to do the same thing and it has destroyed his family.
Again I ask you: What world are you living in?
thinker
Hi ThinkerI personally was approached by gay men several times in my life as a young Kid between the ages of 12-16. I told them to get lost.
I know a guy who was Molested at 16 by a 52 year old man while he was asleep after the man got him drunk with mixed drinks untill he passed out. The guy woke up with the man stradling his face. Thats as graphic as I want to get here.
WJ
WJ,
Stu seems to have his head buried in the sand. If it wasn't for the homosexual friendly media hiding “gay” sins we would not be having this discussion.thinker
I wonder what Stu thinks the “Men with Boys” sex club is all about. But I don't want to ask him and get him stirred up.They claimthat every boy has the right to be “loved” by men.
Quote (Paladin @ Aug. 04 2009,10:15) Stu,Aug. wrote:[/quote]
Quote INFORMED CONSENT is what it is about. FINALLY!
THAT is what I have been doing. INFORMING you! God said men using men as they would a woman is an abomination.
YOU HAVE BEEN INFORMED.
Who you consent to is now on your own head.
Huh? Is this supposed to parse logically in English?Stuart
If you don’t know any gay people 😉 then think of:
Martina Navratalova
Stephen Fry
Oscar Wilde
Graeme Norton
Nigel Hawthorne
Jodie Foster
Ian McKellen
George Michael
Elton John
Drew Barrymore
Pyotr TchaikovskyWhich of these despicable abominators would you ask sinless baby Jesus to biff the first stone at for their predatory evil?
Stuart
From: http://www.springerlink.com/content/6wnv26q344t52hw7/
Donna Eshuys1 Contact Information and Stephen Smallbone1
(1) School of Criminology and Criminal Justice, Griffith University, Queensland, 4001, AustraliaPublished online: 2 August 2006
Abstract This article examines associations between self-reported religious affiliations and official offense histories among 111 incarcerated adult male sexual offenders. Four categories of religiosity were devised according to self-reported continuities and discontinuities in life-course religious affiliations: atheists, dropouts, converts, and stayers. ANCOVAs indicated that stayers (those who maintained religious involvement from childhood to adulthood) had more sexual offense convictions, more victims, and younger victims, than other groups. Results challenge assumptions that religious involvement should, as with other crime, serve to deter sexual offending behavior.Stuart
I think gays have an agenda to make their life style acceptable like everyone elses. I don't think they want to make everyone like themselves though they do push silent gays to accept what they are and come out of the closet as it is called. I am uncomfortable with social changes that gays push for but I can't say they are bad or evil just different in a way that makes me uncomfortable. As far as non bi people switching orientations I think it is rare. Seriously WJ do you think someone can make you homosexual? People who switch from straight to gay were usually gay all along but afraid to come out for fear of social isolation, ridicule and even physical abuse. I would think it no easy thing to admit your gay in most high schools or colleges.
Come on folks it is obvious that there are perverted twisted individuals who fall into any sexual orientation, but that is not because of their basic orientation but other factors that make them hurt or abuse others.
As far as homosexuals being oversexed I think you are looking at it from a limited viewpoint. Men are generally oversexed or horny whether homo or hetero its the way we're wired.
Because we are mainly men posting here when we talk of gays we usually think of gay men because that's what grosses us out. Face it, we are not as upset by lesbians in general and when they are not butch but lipstick lesbians most men seem to be of a more tolerant nature. Women, on the other hand seem much more tolerant of male gays.
Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Aug. 04 2009,07:28) Quote An estimated 91% of victims of rape are female, 9% are male and 99% of offenders are male. (Bureau of Justice Statistics 1999) This isn't rocket science. If you want to argue that a sexual orientation is bad because it “has victims”, then heterosexuality should have long ago been outlawed, owing to its great number of rape victims.
For the record, I am in Cato's camp. I don't “get” homosexuality, but as long as it is taking place in the realm of consenting adults, I don't need to.
I am qurious as to your background in religious training, if any.And the reason for this curiosity, is because yesterday's Tampa Tribune (8/3/09) has another article concerning the Episcopalian Church's position; that they are ordaining one Gay and one Lesbian Bishop. It is causing a split in the Episcopalian community, but the “leaders” responsible don't seem to care about that.
Is it that you have no understanding of what scripture says about the issue, Is it that you don't care what scripture says about the issue, or is it that you disagree with what scripture says about the issue?
Would you care to respond?
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