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If you’ve spent much time in church, you’ve likely heard someone sing one of this man’s songs. I myself publicly sang at least 3 of his songs in my time as a Christian. His songs “Thank You” , “Watch the Lamb”, “I Pledge Allegiance to the Lamb” and “The Anchor Holds” are well known in the Christian community. But this man had a secret he finally couldn’t contain anymore: he’s gay.
Gospel singer Ray Boltz shares coming out journey in this Blade exclusive. An excerpt:
Quote “I’d denied it ever since I was a kid. I became a Christian, I thought that was the way to deal with this and I prayed hard and tried for 30-some years and then at the end, I was just going, ‘I’m still gay. I know I am.’ And I just got to the place where I couldn’t take it anymore … when I was going through all this darkness, I thought, ‘Just end this.’” His family’s reaction took time.
“I don’t want to downplay it like it was just, ‘Oh, well that’s OK.’ It was a very tough time for them too, but the bottom line was they loved me and they still love me … it’s been an amazing journey of acceptance on their part … I was offered support and love from each member of my family, including my wife.
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Obviously christians are willing to ignore or cut loose those who they should be stoning. That's not very biblical of them is it?
Stuart
I saw Ray in concert many years ago. His song, “Thank You” brought tears to everyone around me. It's a great song and he's a very talented guy. I haven't read the link yet, I'm sure that he's been tourtured by his private life and probably relieved that it's out in the open now.
Stu, remember Jesus DIDN'T stone the prostitute……
Mandy
Who would Jesus have stoned? That method of execution was part of the stuff that was good to teach. Was he a hypocrite too?
Stuart
Hi all,
I think that Jesus would have spoken to a gay person in much the same way that He spoke to this Samaritan woman who was living with a man outside of the covenant of marriage.John 4:7-26
7 The Woman of Samaria
There came a woman of Samaria to draw water. Jesus said to her, “Give Me a drink.” 8 For His disciples had gone away into the city to buy food. 9 Therefore theSamaritan woman said to Him, “How is it that You, being a Jew, ask me for a drink since I am a Samaritan woman?” (For Jews have no dealings with Samaritans.) 10 Jesus answered and said to her, “If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, 'Give Me a drink,' you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water.” 11 She said to Him, ” Sir, You have nothing to draw with and the well is deep; where then do You get that living water? 12 “You are not greater than our father Jacob, are You, who gave us the well, and drank of it himself and his sons and his cattle?” 13 Jesus answered and said to her, “Everyone who drinks of this water will thirst again; 14 but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never thirst; but the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life.”
15 The woman said to Him, ” Sir, give me this water, so I will not be thirsty nor come all the way here to draw.” 16 He said to her, “Go, call your husband and come here.” 17 The woman answered and said, “I have no husband.” Jesus said to her, “You have correctly said, 'I have no husband'; 18 for you have had five husbands, and the one whom you now have is not your husband; this you have said truly.” 19 The woman said to Him, ” Sir, I perceive that You are a prophet. 20 ” Our fathers worshiped in this mountain, and you people say that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.” 21 Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe Me, an hour is coming when neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. 22 ” You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 “But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. 24 “God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” 25 The woman said to Him, “I know that Messiah is coming ( He who is called Christ); when that One comes, He will declare all things to us.” 26 Jesus said to her, ” I who speak to you am He.”
NASUJesus's desire was to satisfy her “thirst” with something more than just temporary water. He wanted her to be filled with the Holy Spirit. Living a spirit filled life seeks to glorify God and not necessarily our fleshly desires. Jesus also teaches sacrificial love which means not having your own way necessarily but meeting the needs of your spouse. Husbands are commanded to love their wives this way.
I feel for Roy Boltz and his family. I think that it was good that he got his thoughts out in the open because burying our feelings under a rug doesn't make the situation better. I believe that God honors those who remain commited to following His design no matter what. A man with a woman is obviously God's design for sexual intimacy. But even bigger than that, man filled with the Holy Spirit with a woman filled with the Holy Spirit is true fulfilling sexual intimacy. Anything short of that is less than God's desire for us. He wants the best for us and makes it clear that men with men or women with women is not His design and missing His best for our relationships. There are a whole lot of male/female married relationships that stink and not because of a sexual orientation problem. It boils down to two people who one or both are not being led by the Spirit of God. I do not believe that the Spirit of God would lead two people of the same gender towards a sexual intimate relationship.
Does He hate those who chose this lifestyle, no. He continues to love them and longs to bring them into a fulfilling oneness with Him.
LU
Notice that Jesus doesn't ignore the Samaritan woman, or stone her for immorality. He addresses the real issue of satifying the longing of her spiritual condition.
Okay what would I say…..
Gay men don't like woman much. full stop. or and, are turned off by the female body?
often their loyalty to their moms is way to interwoven.?Moms can Have a fear of being left all alone, so the work of art begins the day you bring a child home.
Moms BOY, AND Daddies GIRL syndrome I call it…its almost Like a disloyalty to some, when a child comes to love another more than a parent.
It is concern to have a consistent parent, or nagging god, in fear of being abandoned.
I bet even their god is full of furry and jealous for there attention!!!
The more Homosexuals their are the more our sons are pursued for favors. for whatever reason they have.
Hi Charity
Quote Gay men don't like woman much. full stop. or and, are turned off by the female body?
often their loyalty to their moms is way to interwoven.?
Do you mean don’t like in the sexual attraction sense, or are you saying gay men are misogynists? I thought many women considered gay men to be better friends because the element of sexual attraction was not a question that had to be considered.Quote The more Homosexuals their are the more our sons are pursued for favors. for whatever reason they have.
Do homosexual men hit on young men who are straight? I would have thought this was quite rare, much less common than heterosexual men picking up young women. Do lesbian women commonly predate on young straight women? I think you could equally worry about other combinations, and there is nothing particular about pursuing sons for favours.Stuart
Quote (942767 @ Sep. 21 2008,07:15) I'm praying for him and his family and also for you.
And what do those prayers say, 90210?Stuart
Quote Notice that Jesus doesn't ignore the Samaritan woman, or stone her for immorality. He addresses the real issue of satifying the longing of her spiritual condition. …which directly contradicts his teaching on the OT elsewhere.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Sep. 21 2008,10:01) Hi Charity Quote Gay men don't like woman much. full stop. or and, are turned off by the female body?
often their loyalty to their moms is way to interwoven.?
Do you mean don’t like in the sexual attraction sense, or are you saying gay men are misogynists? I thought many women considered gay men to be better friends because the element of sexual attraction was not a question that had to be considered.Quote The more Homosexuals their are the more our sons are pursued for favors. for whatever reason they have.
Do homosexual men hit on young men who are straight? I would have thought this was quite rare, much less common than heterosexual men picking up young women. Do lesbian women commonly predate on young straight women? I think you could equally worry about other combinations, and there is nothing particular about pursuing sons for favours.Stuart
Hello Stuart.first up priests and nuns, sex is the forbidden fruit.
AND DOING EVIL IF YOU HAVEN'T SIGNED THE PAPER WORK.
but I think more so signing the paper to say you wont do it with anyone else.THIS law came out of the church,
the joining of one to two is from Adam, and shall never be a good equation.yet the Insane world embraces the oath, and who shall hold to death do part. Gay men want to tie their knot up too…sorry
No I can't agree its safe amongst Gay men, see I went to church… and children are not safe alter boys, especially.
they go after the good looking, naturally, they don't have a Christal ball that say's okay this adolescence is born to be gay.
over time a game of tag, ends up with many players, tagingdon't know much about gay woman, I just don't understand their passions, I like men…
and I have worked and had great talks with gay men, they are very deep, sensitive, sometime I fell females have cut them to deep, with demands?Quote (Stu @ Sep. 21 2008,10:02) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 21 2008,07:15) I'm praying for him and his family and also for you.
And what do those prayers say, 90210?Stuart
Hi Stu:If you were me and you were serving God, what would you pray?
Sometimes I consider the homosexuality within Christianity, as a form child sacrificing, where a adolescent is Like a pure lamb, and is not able to stand against the force of the honor priest who is taking him as bride. to leave a child then to live the horrors of effect for the rest of his life.
this different Stuart to what has become Happy(GAY) WITH WHAT HE IS DOING
ALL THAT IS LEFT THEN ,,DOSE HELL EXIST?It is interesting when a man is happy doing what he doing he calls himself gay.
and there is another that seeks a good woman that he can trust his being and soul with, she won't do him harm, or hurt his ego.
Men can make a subconscious choice never to allow himself to love another woman, once he had has been in a net, yet he still desires a companion in life.
what option has he got.also Alcohol and drugs, can cause moments of insanity, a single bad choice in partners unto everlasting pain.
every one has a reason, and a cause for arriving at where they are.
Gay men keep the closet, with fear of public shaming, or under a shadow of hope of that woman that may turn them back- charity
Quote (942767 @ Sep. 21 2008,12:29) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 21 2008,10:02) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 21 2008,07:15) I'm praying for him and his family and also for you.
And what do those prayers say, 90210?Stuart
Hi Stu:If you were me and you were serving God, what would you pray?
Um… Give me the strength to join in stoning to death the unbeliever and the homosexual as your law requires, O LORD?Stuart
Hi Charity
When the Catholic church made up its celebacy rules (nothing to do with Jesus's alleged disciples being males, just their way of making sure the church was the sole beneficiary of the estates of their departed clergy) they took on the sexual frustration problem that has resulted in today's lawsuits. I'm no expert but I know there is an important difference between pederasty and homosexuality. The priests, or any men who predate on adolescent men are not necessarily homosexual.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Sep. 21 2008,13:41) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 21 2008,12:29) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 21 2008,10:02) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 21 2008,07:15) I'm praying for him and his family and also for you.
And what do those prayers say, 90210?Stuart
Hi Stu:If you were me and you were serving God, what would you pray?
Um… Give me the strength to join in stoning to death the unbeliever and the homosexual as your law requires, O LORD?Stuart
Then you would not be serving the same God as I but because of your blindness you have failed to understand:Quote Jhn 8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. Jhn 8:5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
Jhn 8:6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with [his] finger wrote on the ground, [as though he heard them not].
Jhn 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
Jhn 8:8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
Jhn 8:9 And they which heard [it], being convicted by [their own] conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, [even] unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
Jhn 8:10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
Jhn 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.Quote (Stu @ Sep. 21 2008,13:50) Hi Charity When the Catholic church made up its celebacy rules (nothing to do with Jesus's alleged disciples being males, just their way of making sure the church was the sole beneficiary of the estates of their departed clergy) they took on the sexual frustration problem that has resulted in today's lawsuits. I'm no expert but I know there is an important difference between pederasty and homosexuality. The priests, or any men who predate on adolescent men are not necessarily homosexual.
Stuart
yes, I am no expert either Stuart, but I consider the catholic churches roots to go back as far to Moses Laws?religion has Made a mess, and religion also turns itself to be a hero, Insanity, as the church is a haven for perverted justice, the victims are tormented by Law?
what do Christan think, when I like this worldly song?
Hi 9490210
Quote Then you would not be serving the same God as I but because of your blindness you have failed to understand:
I really don’t think you know which god you worship.Isaiah 42:21: The LORD is well pleased for His righteousness' sake; He will exalt the law, and make it honorable.
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Is it the OT one or the NT one you bother? Has it really escaped your notice that I do not serve any gods?
By the way what blindness?
Stuart
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