Homosexuality

[NickHassan]

Hi,
Stu asked what was wrong with homosexuality.
Scripture has much to say on this subject and perhaps we should study the matter without judging those entrapped in this addiction.

1 Corinthians 6:9
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,

1 Timothy 1:10
and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching,

1 Corinthians 6:18
Flee immorality. Every other sin that a man commits is outside the body, but the immoral man sins against his own body.

[Cato]

Nick,

Lev 20:13 states that if a man lies with another man like he was a woman they should be put to death.  Should we follow this holy scripture too?

[NickHassan]

Hi cato,
Do the rest of the prescriptions of the OT apply still also?

[Cato]

I don't think so, but I was asking you.

[NickHassan]

Hi cato,
Jn8
3And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,

4They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.

5Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

6This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.

7So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

8And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.

9And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

10When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?

11She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

It is pretty plain from the approach of Jesus that now no man is sinfree and thus able to judge the sins of another and that God and His agents are able to instead freely dispense His forgiveness.

[kejonn]

So the OT is bunk to you too Nick? Or do you pick and choose?

[NickHassan]

Hi KJ,
Did you think every verse in the bible applied to you?

Mk2
11I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house.

[kejonn]

Ah, so you DO pick and choose. Now I understand more about your form of fundamentalism. Thanks for the insight.

[NickHassan]

Hi KJ,
Everything is true
but not everything applies to you.

Jesus spent much of his time teaching the Jews about their law.
He left it to his followers to put into practical terms what applied to the gentiles.

[kejonn]

Ah, so you DO pick and choose. Now I understand more about your form of fundamentalism. Thanks for the insight.

[NickHassan]

Hi KJ,
Why would anyone want to leave behind the blessings of Christ and attempt to go under the curse of the Law?

Galatians 3:10
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

[NickHassan]

Hi KJ,
Unclean behaviours are not of the Spirit of God.
gal 5
16This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

17For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

18But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

24And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

25If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

[charity]

And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.

“Beginning at the eldest”… what’s dose that mean? interrupt Nick? scuffle scuffle, is it my turn?

Johns gosip;9And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, “beginning at the eldest”, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

First born? birth right, so under the Law they file out unconsious? Gay or not!!!

[Samuel]

Its flat out WRONG!

Its WRONG in the Bible.
Its WRONG in the world…with just plain old morals.
Its WRONG!

Two Males can not make another Male or Female. Two WRONGS don't make a RIGHT! My daddy always told me.

TWO WRONGS DO NOT MAKE A RIGHT!

People say…”Well he was born gay”
Thats a LIE right out of the pits of hell …straight from SATAN! You've been deceived by SATAN if you believe that hog wash!

I suppose that I could tell you there are GAY Dogs too? …Yeah right…give me a break!

What part of WRONG don't you understand?
The W?
The R?
The O?
The N?
The G?

I'm tired of people trying to BLAME GOD for the fact that they let SATAN deceive them.
GOD does not Deceive people.
GOD does not Confuse people.
GOD does not make GAYS.

IT JUST DOES NOT HAPPEN!

SATAN makes GAYS!

As far as the Old Testament applying to someone…YES! Every bit of the Bible applies to Everyone!
Some of the “Covenants” were done away with. Because they were “Full-filled” and “Paid In-Full” By the blood of Jesus Christ.

Now some people say “Well the Ten Commandments we don't have to follow anymore” …OH YES YOU DO!

Jesus just basically took those and reinforced them…Example:

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Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Exodus 20:14 4 Thou shalt not commit adultery.

So…
We see here that it went from “DON'T DO IT” to “DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT DOING IT!”

And, if you want to take time to argue why you think this is wrong you need to REPENT! Because you are spending way too much time trying to FIGHT GODS word.

You can not FIGHT GOD and WIN.

Now…there may be certain things in modern day time that might or might not apply to certain people.

Like in the type of church I go to they think you should not have a T.V.
Which…if thats all your family does is sit and watch T.V. then yeah…you really probably don't need one. ITS A WASTE OF YOUR TIME! Anything you are giving more time to then you give to GOD…is what you are worshiping…Basically.
Some people like myself and others that are probably on this forum board that will probably read this…have T.V.'s in their home…and they hardly ever turn them on…Except to maybe watch a movie with the Family or something.

…I don't know…really about T.V.'s I just got on them for some reason.

I don't know if you can go to heaven and own a T.V.

…But…

I'm 100% sure that you can NOT own one and go to Heaven.

I suppose the same thing could be said about the Internet, or the Newspaper, or the Mall, or Real Life…or whatever.

My personal belief is if you have even the slightest remote half-way feeling inside you that you probably should not do it about anything…thats most likely the Holy Spirit telling you to not do it.
Lets take Smoking Stealing for Example:
You know if your an Honest GOD loving person…and you go and steal something…or lie to someone …your going to feel bad way down inside about it.

…Well the same thing is most likely going to happen if your watching “Bay Watch” and some chick walks out in a string Bikini. Your most likely NOT going to want to see it …cause your going to FEEL like its the same thing as looking at PORN…Which you know is BAD.
Would the Devil tell you NOT to do something he knows is going to send you straight to HELL!

NO!

But the Holy Spirit will.

Enough Said.

GODBLESS YOU ALL …Please forgive me if I've Offended anyone. I'm sorry in advance…but sometimes I feel that I have to just tell it like it is. And sometimes that upsets people.

[Stu]

So what is actually wrong with homosexuality?

Stuart

[NickHassan]

Hi Stu,
Oh you mean from a sociological point of view?

[Stu]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 10 2008,20:45)

Hi Stu, Oh you mean from a sociological point of view?

Sure. Or ethical or medical or biological or psychological. What is actually wrong with someone being gay?

Stuart

[charity]

Quote (Stu @ April 10 2008,20:39)

So what is actually wrong with homosexuality? Stuart

UMMM, excuse this expression, just a minor thing, One bird on the arch?

and

Dante females are left UN serviced!

[NickHassan]

Quote (Stu @ April 10 2008,20:50)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 10 2008,20:45) Hi Stu, Oh you mean from a sociological point of view? Sure.  Or ethical or medical or biological or psychological.  What is actually wrong with someone being gay? Stuart

Hey Stu,
It's a free world. To each their own.
So long as it is not made compulsory.

[Stu]

Quote (charity @ April 10 2008,21:07)

Quote (Stu @ April 10 2008,20:39) So what is actually wrong with homosexuality? Stuart UMMM, excuse this expression, just a minor thing, One bird on the arch? and Dante females are left UN serviced!

History records homosexuality as far back as it goes. Yet here we are, thriving as a species.

Those females could have other females!

Stuart

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