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Hi and welcome D,
So knowing about Jesus is helpful?
Having certain beliefs is somehow eternally useful?
Life now is all there is and will be and there is no judgement?
Are we not to be obedient servants of God rather than just philosophers?Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 20 2009,11:04) Hi and welcome D,
So knowing about Jesus is helpful?
Having certain beliefs is somehow eternally useful?
Life now is all there is and will be and there is no judgement?
Are we not to be obedient servants of God rather than just philosophers?
I would say it is helpful to know about Jesus – the example set and the teaching he delivered sets a very strong example to people of how people can get along.I'm ultimately not certain on the eternity question but I have no data that's better than ambiguous and operate on the assumption that there will be nothing more. I can live with that, and if I'm proved wrong when I die, that's fine. It seems to me in the big picture that people (as a species, rather than the individuals) are most likely what goes forwards.
Regardless there is no reason (that I've yet encountered) not to listen to and obey God. Would you necessarily require life eternal to do that?
Hi D,
So do you think his actions were unassisted by God?Why study your possible future and not take actions?
Quote (Cindy @ July 20 2009,09:44) Quote (Not3in1 @ July 20 2009,06:39) Douglas, I dig you. I relate to a lot of what you are sharing. Quite a few of my beliefs are not popular here either. But it's nice to hear various perspectives, imo.
More please!
Love,
Mandy
Mandy! Are you kidding me? He thinks that Christ will not return and we do not either have a life after dead. Did you read all of His post? Especially on page 3.
I am speechless. Love Irene
Hi Irene,Yes, I did read all his stuff. I never said I agreed with 100% of what he believes. Gosh, I don't even agree with you and Georg 100%.
I like other perspectives. They don't scare me like they used to; I'm not afraid to hear what other's believe. It challenges my own thinking and beliefs.
The world is a big place, Irene. I am no longer willing to believe that God isn't big enough to reach every one….in whatever way He deems right. It may even be a different way than the bible {gasping}. After all, there are people and places that still do not even know what the “bible” is. And yet, I'm sure they still seek (and know) God.
Anyway, no worries my friend. Each one of us has to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling…..so it goes.
Much love to you (hope your legs are healing well),
MandyQuote (Nick Hassan @ July 20 2009,11:29) Quote So do you think his actions were unassisted by God? I don't think I said that. Once one accepts the premise that God may communicate with people in the present day, there is no reason not to suppose that God did not communicate with people in the past times too. I seem to recall there's a part of the bible where Jesus asks if he can avoid his fate.
Quote Why study your possible future and not take actions? It would be wrong to assume I take no actions. Before you make a journey, it helps a great deal if you study a map.
Quote (Not3in1 @ July 20 2009,12:22) I like other perspectives. They don't scare me like they used to; I'm not afraid to hear what other's believe. It challenges my own thinking and beliefs. The world is a big place, Irene. I am no longer willing to believe that God isn't big enough to reach every one….in whatever way He deems right. It may even be a different way than the bible {gasping}. After all, there are people and places that still do not even know what the “bible” is. And yet, I'm sure they still seek (and know) God.
My perspective is bound to be different given that I'm skeptical, cynical, lean heavily towards science and logic. I also actively resist indoctrination, and try to derive my world view from what I perceive to be facts or from what I've directly encountered. While I most definitely try to retain the flexibility of an open mind, I spent most of my life with the opinion that the idea of God seemed to be a human need (to externalise responsibilities etc), but that it seemed quite probable that the universe should contain entities of greater power (I'm choosing not to define “power” here) than people.Now specific (and documented, since human memory can play tricks) events force reconsideration (not to mention a certain amount of work).
Considering I can still subtract God from my world view, and perceive at least the “what” that is likely to happen (and the results) there's no particular reason not to listen even if I were inclined to be stubborn. At this point I don't have any basis to make that subtraction.
I suggest in the not incredibly distant future it might be time the human race grew up a bit in how it deals with God, and it might mean losing a lot of human baggage along the way.
On a more pertinent note there are perhaps some here who believe they can directly communicate with God. I suggest if you are concerned about these questions of belief, you ask God (and ideally share any answer you get with the rest of us who can't hear it).
Quote (amosbug @ July 20 2009,05:43) Quote (theodorej @ July 20 2009,01:30) Quote (amosbug @ July 19 2009,09:08) Quote (Douglas @ July 19 2009,06:41) Quote (amosbug @ July 18 2009,16:37) Douglas, I am just wondering if you are going to share what exactly you mean?
Our Creator can talk to us in many ways…Do you feel like you are receiving a special message? If so are you posting these things for a reason?
Amy
I'm not receiving anything per se.Someone I know however, does seem to be able to (at times at least, it doesn't seem to be an “on demand” thing necessarily).
The premise that if there is an entity that can be identified as “God”, and that this entity can communicate with one person it should (and by statement can) be able to communicate with other people is what brought me to this site. The best match I could find (using Google) for someone communicating with God came from this site.
People on the site actually seem generally quite reasonable, pleasant and rational and once in a while an interesting topic starts.
I probably wasn't planning to share exactly what I mean in specific detail because it's all to easy to generate negativity with controversial statements which would definitely be unhelpful. My logic is that God should be able to complete that link with anyone else able to communicate with him if it's appropriate.
Well I'm glad you are not trying to generate negativity, but I think if you make statements that are just hinting at what you are really talking about without actually saying anything you may be doing just that.
Greetings Amy…..Welcome to the forum,and I hope you enjoy the experience as much as I do….There have been so many movies and books on the rapture,however,I have been unable to find any scripture to support it without a doubt or two…Their are many ministers out there who have impecable credentials that attest to their briliance….Let us examine the process that got them those credentials…They memorized the text(somebody elses theory or observation)then they took the test based on what they memorized and passed,as a result they got a piece of paper that states they are an expert in a particular field….in this case it is bible interpretation….Let us always remember the scriptures,by design,are purposed to confuse and confound the wise and the learned….We are living in a time when prophecy is being full filled before our very eyes….My prayer is for wisdom to see and to understand…so I may be able to survive….Iam looking forward to your contribution to this forum…
Thank you very much…It's true many of those who teach these false doctrines, were first taught them at a Bible college…and there are a lot of very intelligent people who belive these things…I now see how amazing the word of God is because you don't have to be intelligent or go to college or church to be able to read and understand what God is saying to us…I pray for wisdom also, because I want to survive…I hope that I have it and that God will continue giving me more…I'm glad I found this place because I only know a few people that have any insight into these matters at all that I can talk too. I'm going through a hard time because of some of my friends and how miss lead they are, and they don't even care. I'm a lot different than I was when I meet them…and I may just have to realize that some of the friendships may be over, or will just be really different now.
Greetings Amy…. I also have many friends that do not care….I used to be one of those who didn't care until I realized that God was dealing with me so as to bring me to purpose…I believe that eventually we will all have a chance to know God….simply because his nature dictates it to be so,however,this will only happen in his good time…seize the opportunity that your calling is presenting for at this time God is not calling every one….take care / TJDouglas In my opinion for what it is worth, I find your post some what confusing. You use a lot of words and to me, since I came from Germany so many years ago, but still have problems with people like you. I asked you several question in my former post that you did not answer directly. Do you or don't you believe in Jesus being the Son of God? Will He return as King of Kings. Will He reign for a thousand years, or not? You do believe in God, and that is good. Are you afraid to answer these question? I do like to know this. If you do not want to disclose it to all, you can send a personal message, located in the right hand corner of the page.
IreneQuote (Cindy @ July 21 2009,04:28) Douglas In my opinion for what it is worth, I find your post some what confusing. You use a lot of words and to me, since I came from Germany so many years ago, but still have problems with people like you. I asked you several question in my former post that you did not answer directly. Do you or don't you believe in Jesus being the Son of God? Will He return as King of Kings. Will He reign for a thousand years, or not? You do believe in God, and that is good. Are you afraid to answer these question? I do like to know this. If you do not want to disclose it to all, you can send a personal message, located in the right hand corner of the page.
Irene
I'm not afraid.In my opinion:
Jesus was the son of Joseph the carpenter and Mary. As human as you or I.
That man is as dead as you or I will be later.
That man will therefore not return. Someone might show up to fulfill the role that must be filled though.
No single human person will live for a thousand years. An ideology might though.
Mostly to me this is common sense.
No problems disclosing my opinions to everyone, not at all afraid of controversy, but if you wish to take to PMs also is fine if you feel more appropriate.
Are the questions answered now?
Quote (Douglas @ July 21 2009,10:04) Quote (Cindy @ July 21 2009,04:28) Douglas In my opinion for what it is worth, I find your post some what confusing. You use a lot of words and to me, since I came from Germany so many years ago, but still have problems with people like you. I asked you several question in my former post that you did not answer directly. Do you or don't you believe in Jesus being the Son of God? Will He return as King of Kings. Will He reign for a thousand years, or not? You do believe in God, and that is good. Are you afraid to answer these question? I do like to know this. If you do not want to disclose it to all, you can send a personal message, located in the right hand corner of the page.
Irene
I'm not afraid.In my opinion:
Jesus was the son of Joseph the carpenter and Mary. As human as you or I.
That man is as dead as you or I will be later.
That man will therefore not return. Someone might show up to fulfill the role that must be filled though.
No single human person will live for a thousand years. An ideology might though.
Mostly to me this is common sense.
No problems disclosing my opinions to everyone, not at all afraid of controversy, but if you wish to take to PMs also is fine if you feel more appropriate.
Are the questions answered now?
Greetings Doug…… We all hold opinions,however,they have no bareing on the facts or lack of same…I appreciate your candor and I find it somewhat interesting,with consideration for 2000 years of history that seem to challenge your position….with respect to the devinity of Jesus as well as his victory over death…. From an interlectual posture and with respect to the written word…are we to set aside all those writings and witnesses that claim the resurection took place…and consider their contribution as nothing more than lies…if so then I beg for some proof before I would even entertain the thought…Quote (theodorej @ July 21 2009,11:15) Quote (Douglas @ July 21 2009,10:04) Quote (Cindy @ July 21 2009,04:28) Douglas In my opinion for what it is worth, I find your post some what confusing. You use a lot of words and to me, since I came from Germany so many years ago, but still have problems with people like you. I asked you several question in my former post that you did not answer directly. Do you or don't you believe in Jesus being the Son of God? Will He return as King of Kings. Will He reign for a thousand years, or not? You do believe in God, and that is good. Are you afraid to answer these question? I do like to know this. If you do not want to disclose it to all, you can send a personal message, located in the right hand corner of the page.
Irene
I'm not afraid.In my opinion:
Jesus was the son of Joseph the carpenter and Mary. As human as you or I.
That man is as dead as you or I will be later.
That man will therefore not return. Someone might show up to fulfill the role that must be filled though.
No single human person will live for a thousand years. An ideology might though.
Mostly to me this is common sense.
No problems disclosing my opinions to everyone, not at all afraid of controversy, but if you wish to take to PMs also is fine if you feel more appropriate.
Are the questions answered now?
Greetings Doug…… We all hold opinions,however,they have no bareing on the facts or lack of same…I appreciate your candor and I find it somewhat interesting,with consideration for 2000 years of history that seem to challenge your position….with respect to the devinity of Jesus as well as his victory over death…. From an interlectual posture and with respect to the written word…are we to set aside all those writings and witnesses that claim the resurection took place…and consider their contribution as nothing more than lies…if so then I beg for some proof before I would even entertain the thought…
I can only reiterate my suggestion that someone able to communicate directly with God ask the relevant question(s).No need to be afraid to ask, since it would be my soul on the line if those disagreeing with me are right, and not yours.
Ask specifically in the context of the end and the saviour. If anyone does ask and gets an answer I'd be particularly interested to know what it was (as near word for word as possible).
Greetings Doug……The only line of communication we have with God is prayer and he suggests that we pray on a regular basis so as to be blessed with wisdom,courage and repentance….The scriptures regarding the End of this age are the same as they have always been through the centuries….with one exception, and that is the time we are living in now….God has promised that before he would pass judgement on mankind he would warn us through the prophets….The prophets writings are available through the word….the key element is the time we live in….for the first time in the history of man he actually has the ability to destroy Gods creation….rest assured God will not allow that to happen…He will allow man to destroy life as we know it before he steps in and puts an end to the nonsense…My faith dictates what I believe….And Faith consists of the belief in things unseen…with the hope for a better life to come…..
Quote (theodorej @ July 23 2009,02:08) Greetings Doug……The only line of communication we have with God is prayer and he suggests that we pray on a regular basis so as to be blessed with wisdom,courage and repentance….The scriptures regarding the End of this age are the same as they have always been through the centuries….with one exception, and that is the time we are living in now….God has promised that before he would pass judgement on mankind he would warn us through the prophets….The prophets writings are available through the word….the key element is the time we live in….for the first time in the history of man he actually has the ability to destroy Gods creation….rest assured God will not allow that to happen…He will allow man to destroy life as we know it before he steps in and puts an end to the nonsense…My faith dictates what I believe….And Faith consists of the belief in things unseen…with the hope for a better life to come…..
So would you claim no other lines of communication like the Bible states occurred between Noah (and others), and God?If it happened in the Bible, I'm sure you wouldn't argue it to be within God's ability to communicate in such direct manner now?
If of course such communication is not possible and God does not communicate in a direct way with any people today, that would certainly remove a constraint from my projections of the future…
Again, I invite anyone who is able to communicate directly with God to ask the relevant questions (there is at least one such person who believes they can do this on this site).
Quote (Douglas @ July 23 2009,06:52) Quote (theodorej @ July 23 2009,02:08) Greetings Doug……The only line of communication we have with God is prayer and he suggests that we pray on a regular basis so as to be blessed with wisdom,courage and repentance….The scriptures regarding the End of this age are the same as they have always been through the centuries….with one exception, and that is the time we are living in now….God has promised that before he would pass judgement on mankind he would warn us through the prophets….The prophets writings are available through the word….the key element is the time we live in….for the first time in the history of man he actually has the ability to destroy Gods creation….rest assured God will not allow that to happen…He will allow man to destroy life as we know it before he steps in and puts an end to the nonsense…My faith dictates what I believe….And Faith consists of the belief in things unseen…with the hope for a better life to come…..
So would you claim no other lines of communication like the Bible states occurred between Noah (and others), and God?If it happened in the Bible, I'm sure you wouldn't argue it to be within God's ability to communicate in such direct manner now?
If of course such communication is not possible and God does not communicate in a direct way with any people today, that would certainly remove a constraint from my projections of the future…
Again, I invite anyone who is able to communicate directly with God to ask the relevant questions (there is at least one such person who believes they can do this on this site).
Doug…. When one fully understands who God is and the awsome power that is his spirit, it becomes evident that man has no ability to communicate with God unless he wills it possible,however,man can taunt and mock God and he may be able get a direct communication at that time with a result that could be death or a very unpleasant experience….Quote (theodorej @ July 24 2009,01:50) Quote (Douglas @ July 23 2009,06:52) Quote (theodorej @ July 23 2009,02:08) Greetings Doug……The only line of communication we have with God is prayer and he suggests that we pray on a regular basis so as to be blessed with wisdom,courage and repentance….The scriptures regarding the End of this age are the same as they have always been through the centuries….with one exception, and that is the time we are living in now….God has promised that before he would pass judgement on mankind he would warn us through the prophets….The prophets writings are available through the word….the key element is the time we live in….for the first time in the history of man he actually has the ability to destroy Gods creation….rest assured God will not allow that to happen…He will allow man to destroy life as we know it before he steps in and puts an end to the nonsense…My faith dictates what I believe….And Faith consists of the belief in things unseen…with the hope for a better life to come…..
So would you claim no other lines of communication like the Bible states occurred between Noah (and others), and God?If it happened in the Bible, I'm sure you wouldn't argue it to be within God's ability to communicate in such direct manner now?
If of course such communication is not possible and God does not communicate in a direct way with any people today, that would certainly remove a constraint from my projections of the future…
Again, I invite anyone who is able to communicate directly with God to ask the relevant questions (there is at least one such person who believes they can do this on this site).
Doug…. When one fully understands who God is and the awsome power that is his spirit, it becomes evident that man has no ability to communicate with God unless he wills it possible,however,man can taunt and mock God and he may be able get a direct communication at that time with a result that could be death or a very unpleasant experience….
God would have you embrace it, not fear it.Not that I'd claim to fully (or even moderately) understand God.
This a human quote: “The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance — it is the illusion of knowledge.”
Hi All! I have been in the Hospital for the last 5 days and had to have surgery on mu leg. I had a large Thrombosis, that left a deep hole in my leg. At least I am home now, and have Home care coming in every day to take care of me.
As far as communicating with God I have to agree with Douglas. I talk to God at times, they way I talk to anybody. Why would we not have a personal relationship with our Heavenly Father and our Savior? IMO that is what He wants. That is what makes it Spiritual. We do have a Spirit and that is the way we can talk with God. That is why we also have our Mediator Jesus Christ for. He cleans our thought and words up and presents it to God. You see I do not believe in a Trinity. Our God is so great that He can do that with several of His People, at the same time. I am very sensitive and I even know when Satan is around. When that happens I will call on Jesus and He has to leave and the House is once more peaceful.
It is good to be back, Love IreneQuote (Cindy @ July 26 2009,12:52) Hi All! I have been in the Hospital for the last 5 days and had to have surgery on mu leg. I had a large Thrombosis, that left a deep hole in my leg. At least I am home now, and have Home care coming in every day to take care of me.
As far as communicating with God I have to agree with Douglas. I talk to God at times, they way I talk to anybody. Why would we not have a personal relationship with our Heavenly Father and our Savior? IMO that is what He wants. That is what makes it Spiritual. We do have a Spirit and that is the way we can talk with God. That is why we also have our Mediator Jesus Christ for. He cleans our thought and words up and presents it to God. You see I do not believe in a Trinity. Our God is so great that He can do that with several of His People, at the same time. I am very sensitive and I even know when Satan is around. When that happens I will call on Jesus and He has to leave and the House is once more peaceful.
It is good to be back, Love Irene
Hi Irene,
Welcome back! I hope that your leg will continue to heal well. Your poor legs (and feet)…they have been through a lot! I'm thankful for your loving husband's care for you, that is a testimony.Love and God bless,
KathiQuote (Lightenup @ July 27 2009,07:55) Quote (Cindy @ July 26 2009,12:52) Hi All! I have been in the Hospital for the last 5 days and had to have surgery on mu leg. I had a large Thrombosis, that left a deep hole in my leg. At least I am home now, and have Home care coming in every day to take care of me.
As far as communicating with God I have to agree with Douglas. I talk to God at times, they way I talk to anybody. Why would we not have a personal relationship with our Heavenly Father and our Savior? IMO that is what He wants. That is what makes it Spiritual. We do have a Spirit and that is the way we can talk with God. That is why we also have our Mediator Jesus Christ for. He cleans our thought and words up and presents it to God. You see I do not believe in a Trinity. Our God is so great that He can do that with several of His People, at the same time. I am very sensitive and I even know when Satan is around. When that happens I will call on Jesus and He has to leave and the House is once more peaceful.
It is good to be back, Love Irene
Hi Irene,
Welcome back! I hope that your leg will continue to heal well. Your poor legs (and feet)…they have been through a lot! I'm thankful for your loving husband's care for you, that is a testimony.Love and God bless,
Kathi
Hi Kathi! Thank you for your kind words. Yes, I am indeed blessed to have a wonderful Husband. Georg does wait on me hand and foot.
Love IreneGoodmorning Irene……Hope all will be well with you and you have a speedy recovery…..say hello to Georg for me …….Be Well / TJ
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