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Quote (Stu @ Nov. 19 2007,20:39) So far the only answer that has made even the remotest sense to me has been Towshab’s.
Go figure. Why doesn't that suprise me?Why is it that you have a remarkable ability to defuse anger or seemingly direct insults? Are you a politician?
At any rate Stu, you are who you are and I am who I am. We have our belief systems. Who's to say you are any better off for not believing, and I am any worse off for believing? As for my interest in why you are here if you think this is all rubbish….well, I still can't help but wondering why you read the Bible and the Koran if you have never believed any of it? Further, if it all isn't even worth pursuing for teaching and philosophy purposes. Goodness, what other reason would have for reading such books? I admit, you have be puzzled.
Quote (Stu @ Nov. 19 2007,20:39) I wonder why there is such a striking difference between the OT god and the NT god.
Different administrations.Wouldn't a son run his father's business a little differently?
Quote (Not3in1 @ Nov. 19 2007,11:17) Quote (Stu @ Nov. 19 2007,20:39) I wonder why there is such a striking difference between the OT god and the NT god.
Different administrations.Wouldn't a son run his father's business a little differently?
I thought they were 'one'?Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.
As you know, I do not believe that the Father and Jesus are one in the sense that they are the same person.
If your Father owned a business and then retired and turned it over to you – would you run it differently?
Quote (Not3in1 @ Nov. 19 2007,20:43) If your Father owned a business and then retired and turned it over to you – would you run it differently?
Are you saying YHVH has retired? Has He applied for Medicare then too?Ha! I knew you would say something like this. I was trying to make a point that, according to scripture, the Father has for a time turned everything over to Jesus. While Jesus was on earth there was nothing that he did on his own. But now that he is exhaulted (promoted), I'm sure he is allowed to run things as he sees fit. After all, he had one heck of a training period. And I'm sure the Father is around for consult on a “as needed” basis as well. Something like this, you get my point. Ha
The OT had the law and sacrifices. The NT has Jesus and the spiritualization of the law (sacrifices were done away with). There is a difference in the administrations.
Quote (Towshab @ Nov. 20 2007,13:54) Quote (Not3in1 @ Nov. 19 2007,20:43) If your Father owned a business and then retired and turned it over to you – would you run it differently?
Are you saying YHVH has retired? Has He applied for Medicare then too?
yes He did and He is in Heaven right now resting for the Job ahead.Mrs.
Quote (Not3in1 @ Nov. 20 2007,04:15) Quote (Stu @ Nov. 19 2007,20:39) So far the only answer that has made even the remotest sense to me has been Towshab’s.
Go figure. Why doesn't that suprise me?Why is it that you have a remarkable ability to defuse anger or seemingly direct insults? Are you a politician?
At any rate Stu, you are who you are and I am who I am. We have our belief systems. Who's to say you are any better off for not believing, and I am any worse off for believing? As for my interest in why you are here if you think this is all rubbish….well, I still can't help but wondering why you read the Bible and the Koran if you have never believed any of it? Further, if it all isn't even worth pursuing for teaching and philosophy purposes. Goodness, what other reason would have for reading such books? I admit, you have be puzzled.
Towshab explained that the nastiness is actually that of men, and they are attributing their violence to the will of god. Of course a rational explanation agrees completely with this. The problem in sanitising the OT god like this means that no literal interpretation is then possible.On reading the bible, I have also read Sherlock Holmes and bits of Harry Potter, and I don't believe any of that really happened, either!
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Nov. 20 2007,17:44) Quote (Not3in1 @ Nov. 20 2007,04:15) Quote (Stu @ Nov. 19 2007,20:39) So far the only answer that has made even the remotest sense to me has been Towshab’s.
Go figure. Why doesn't that suprise me?Why is it that you have a remarkable ability to defuse anger or seemingly direct insults? Are you a politician?
At any rate Stu, you are who you are and I am who I am. We have our belief systems. Who's to say you are any better off for not believing, and I am any worse off for believing? As for my interest in why you are here if you think this is all rubbish….well, I still can't help but wondering why you read the Bible and the Koran if you have never believed any of it? Further, if it all isn't even worth pursuing for teaching and philosophy purposes. Goodness, what other reason would have for reading such books? I admit, you have be puzzled.
Towshab explained that the nastiness is actually that of men, and they are attributing their violence to the will of god. Of course a rational explanation agrees completely with this. The problem in sanitising the OT god like this means that no literal interpretation is then possible.On reading the bible, I have also read Sherlock Holmes and bits of Harry Potter, and I don't believe any of that really happened, either!
Stuart
Stu It is because you do not have the Holy Spirit of God, that is why you cant believe in Him. But just because you do not know Him does not mean others don't. I guess you have never been in Love either. You just use woman, right? It is something that is fleshly satisfying to you, am I right about that? I wonder about your emotions, do you have any? Can't understand why you are still here. And of all places on a tread that is to be talked about God, I do not get it. The thing is you are not rational. You have no sense of a God. That is so sad, I really feel sorry for you.
Bless you.
Peace and Love Mrs.Hi MrsIM4Truth
Quote It is because you do not have the Holy Spirit of God, that is why you cant believe in Him. But just because you do not know Him does not mean others don't. I guess you have never been in Love either. You guess wrong!
Quote You just use woman, right? It is something that is fleshly satisfying to you, am I right about that? No. I find the whole “use” of someone off-putting, to say the least.
You have correctly identified the gender of my partner, though. Not3in1 seems confused about this!Quote I wonder about your emotions, do you have any? You’ve only just finished telling me that I am angry. Do you think I have emotions?
Quote Can't understand why you are still here. And of all places on a tread that is to be talked about God, I do not get it. I discuss god as much as anyone does! The fact that I disagree with your point of view does not make my talk any less about god than the talk of others.
Quote The thing is you are not rational. You have no sense of a God. That is so sad, I really feel sorry for you. Do you believe in a virgin birth? A man walked after death? A talking snake? A boat filled with pairs (or seven pairs) of every land animal? And you call me “not rational”!
I get my sense of god from the bible. Where do you get yours?Stuart
Hi Stu.
You don't believe in God and you do not believe in Zeus either.
So how come you don't spend the same amount of time debunking Zeus, Baal, or whatever.Why pick on the God of Yeshua the Messiah?
Is it a spirit that motivates you. Why that particular God?
I don't believe that my greatest grandfather was a primitive ape. But I don't spend my life debunking this theory either. Seriously I have better things to do.
In life you can build or destroy. Sometimes destroying something is necessary, but if it is your focus, then it means that you don't get to build anything meaningful.
In fact I would go as far to say that destroying something is only useful if you can build afterward. Otherwise the thing you destroyed can come back to life.
So why do you spend so much of your life trying to destroy people's faith. I think a lot of people actually feel sorry for you. I remember when I was like this. But today, I consider myself back then as a man who lacked maturity and direction in life. I was also young in years, but that wasn't really a suitable excuse.
I was very critical and was only interested in destroying things.
But I was saved from that and now I have peace.
May you find peace one day.
Quote (t8 @ Nov. 20 2007,05:02) Hi Stu. You don't believe in God and you do not believe in Zeus either.
So how come you don't spend the same amount of time debunking Zeus, Baal, or whatever.Why pick on the God of Yeshua the Messiah?
Is it a spirit that motivates you. Why that particular God?
I don't believe that my greatest grandfather was a primitive ape. But I don't spend my life debunking this theory either. Seriously I have better things to do.
In life you can build or destroy. Sometimes destroying something is necessary, but if it is your focus, then it means that you don't get to build anything meaningful.
In fact I would go as far to say that destroying something is only useful if you can build afterward. Otherwise the thing you destroyed can come back to life.
So why do you spend so much of your life trying to destroy people's faith. I think a lot of people actually feel sorry for you. I remember when I was like this. But today, I consider myself back then as a man who lacked maturity and direction in life. I was also young in years, but that wasn't really a suitable excuse.
I was very critical and was only interested in destroying things.
But I was saved from that and now I have peace.
May you find peace one day.
I can likely answer this one. Stu doesn't care about Zeus because people who believe in him (the same ones who think pro wrestling is real) don't come knocking on his door telling him if he doesn't believe in Heracles he will burn in Hades. Or at least be in danger of a thunderbolt.
Quote (Towshab @ Nov. 20 2007,23:19) Quote (t8 @ Nov. 20 2007,05:02) Hi Stu. You don't believe in God and you do not believe in Zeus either.
So how come you don't spend the same amount of time debunking Zeus, Baal, or whatever.Why pick on the God of Yeshua the Messiah?
Is it a spirit that motivates you. Why that particular God?
I don't believe that my greatest grandfather was a primitive ape. But I don't spend my life debunking this theory either. Seriously I have better things to do.
In life you can build or destroy. Sometimes destroying something is necessary, but if it is your focus, then it means that you don't get to build anything meaningful.
In fact I would go as far to say that destroying something is only useful if you can build afterward. Otherwise the thing you destroyed can come back to life.
So why do you spend so much of your life trying to destroy people's faith. I think a lot of people actually feel sorry for you. I remember when I was like this. But today, I consider myself back then as a man who lacked maturity and direction in life. I was also young in years, but that wasn't really a suitable excuse.
I was very critical and was only interested in destroying things.
But I was saved from that and now I have peace.
May you find peace one day.
I can likely answer this one. Stu doesn't care about Zeus because people who believe in him (the same ones who think pro wrestling is real) don't come knocking on his door telling him if he doesn't believe in Heracles he will burn in Hades. Or at least be in danger of a thunderbolt.
You guys are quite A “PAIR”. Amazing how you two defend one another but are not suppose to Agree… about God I mean.
Even though Stu doesn't believe in your G_D TOW you defend him simply because he agrees with your theory of Jesus. But in doing so aren't you agreeing that their is no G_D. You'll never be a Jew Tow, you haven't the blood. IMO I think either you will end up a Christian OR like your friend an atheist. Your almost their Now.Sis Irene –
Your earlier post confused me because you are using my old Avatar! Ha! I started to read it and thought to myself – what a minute! This isn't me!
I have to say – I liked the one you chose for yourself earlier better! heehee – the reason I changed my Avatar was that I was tired of looking at a cat's butt! Ha! But whatever you choose is fine, I'm just giving you a hard time.
Quote (Towshab @ Nov. 20 2007,23:19) (the same ones who think pro wrestling is real)
WHAT?! It's not real? Well, you just blew it for me! No more SMACKDOWN for me.Quote (Towshab @ Nov. 20 2007,06:19) Quote (t8 @ Nov. 20 2007,05:02) Hi Stu. You don't believe in God and you do not believe in Zeus either.
So how come you don't spend the same amount of time debunking Zeus, Baal, or whatever.Why pick on the God of Yeshua the Messiah?
Is it a spirit that motivates you. Why that particular God?
I don't believe that my greatest grandfather was a primitive ape. But I don't spend my life debunking this theory either. Seriously I have better things to do.
In life you can build or destroy. Sometimes destroying something is necessary, but if it is your focus, then it means that you don't get to build anything meaningful.
In fact I would go as far to say that destroying something is only useful if you can build afterward. Otherwise the thing you destroyed can come back to life.
So why do you spend so much of your life trying to destroy people's faith. I think a lot of people actually feel sorry for you. I remember when I was like this. But today, I consider myself back then as a man who lacked maturity and direction in life. I was also young in years, but that wasn't really a suitable excuse.
I was very critical and was only interested in destroying things.
But I was saved from that and now I have peace.
May you find peace one day.
I can likely answer this one. Stu doesn't care about Zeus because people who believe in him (the same ones who think pro wrestling is real) don't come knocking on his door telling him if he doesn't believe in Heracles he will burn in Hades. Or at least be in danger of a thunderbolt.
Actually there is some validity to this. I've spoken with a few atheists in the past years and they agree that the reason many atheists — like Dawkins and Hutchins — have become so outspoken in their battle against people who believe in God is because of the evangelizing efforts and the invasion of fundamentalists into government law making. There used to be a time when atheists kept to themselves but Christianity — and to some degree, Islam — has pushed them to become more vocal.Of course this could all fit last days as well but since I'm not big into prophecy I cannot say for sure. I tend to not read Revelation too much because you can't really form good theology based on that particular book of the Bible.
Stuff like this makes me wonder if Christians such as Christadelphians are reading the truth of scripture. They are pacifist and don't get involved in politics. I don't quite know if I can agree with that but if fundamentalists didn't try to get into law making maybe the atheists would have remained quiet. That and the occasional JW or Mormon at their door
.But then again if we as Christians did not stand up for much of our beliefs where would the world be now? I think there can be a good balance but shamefully many people don't seek balance. I think the efforts of the founding fathers of America has some merit because they truly espoused freedom of religion — which would include a lack thereof. When laws are made that force certain beliefs on people I can see where they want to fight back.
For instance, In Alabama and many other southern states there are “sex toy” laws. IOW, you can't legally sell adult novelties in these states. Personally, I don't see where peoples private lives in this matter is the government's business. What harm is a sex toy doing to anyone? I thought laws were menat to protect the public.
But its all about money when you get down to it. After all, viagra and similar drugs could be seen as sexual aids just like these novelties yet the drug companies line the pockets of politicians to make sure these things can still be sold without question. Such double standards IMHO.
Hmmm, seems I've lost focus on the original subject. No more soap box!
Hey Mrs IM, you're confusing me with your new avatar! Mandy used that for so long I have to look twice to see who is really posting
.Quote (Not3in1 @ Nov. 20 2007,11:38) Sis Irene – Your earlier post confused me because you are using my old Avatar! Ha! I started to read it and thought to myself – what a minute! This isn't me!
I have to say – I liked the one you chose for yourself earlier better! heehee – the reason I changed my Avatar was that I was tired of looking at a cat's butt! Ha! But whatever you choose is fine, I'm just giving you a hard time.
Me too. I just realized I posted my message before reading this one!
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