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Quote (Stu @ Oct. 23 2008,07:27) Quote (theodorej @ Oct. 23 2008,00:58) Greetings Stu….You are correct….mind altering drugs are not the only means for creating a eurphoric state….My feeling is there should be no delusion with respect to the supernatural,it has been proven many times to be a very valid and a real phenomonon….Supernatural occurances sometimes are call miracles…or some other scientific equivalent….
Sorry that doesn't wash with me. There is no good evidence for anything supernatural. There is plenty of evidence that as part of its normal efficient working the brain creates a world that does not necessarily exist (we could not function otherwise).The claim that there have been 'miracles' (ie: temporary localised suspension of scientific laws) has never been verified to the kind of standard even a local court would requre in a legal case.
Stuart
Greetings Stu….The unfortunate circumstance is the court system is hardly capable of administering justice,and that is a task that requires recognizing truth as presented by evidence.
To think that our system of juris prudence is capable enough to rule in the realm of science with respect to the supernatural is fool hardy…Quote (theodorej @ Oct. 24 2008,09:29) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 23 2008,07:27) Quote (theodorej @ Oct. 23 2008,00:58) Greetings Stu….You are correct….mind altering drugs are not the only means for creating a eurphoric state….My feeling is there should be no delusion with respect to the supernatural,it has been proven many times to be a very valid and a real phenomonon….Supernatural occurances sometimes are call miracles…or some other scientific equivalent….
Sorry that doesn't wash with me. There is no good evidence for anything supernatural. There is plenty of evidence that as part of its normal efficient working the brain creates a world that does not necessarily exist (we could not function otherwise).The claim that there have been 'miracles' (ie: temporary localised suspension of scientific laws) has never been verified to the kind of standard even a local court would requre in a legal case.
Stuart
Greetings Stu….The unfortunate circumstance is the court system is hardly capable of administering justice,and that is a task that requires recognizing truth as presented by evidence.
To think that our system of juris prudence is capable enough to rule in the realm of science with respect to the supernatural is fool hardy…
Hi theodorejWho is foolhardy? I didn't say that courts should or could rule on science. I'm just saying there is no evidence for the supernatural and the stories of miracles do not conform to the standards required by a court, let alone the standards required by science, which you seem to be rightly pointing out are much higher than standards of probity used in the justice system. Science simply says nothing about the supernatural, and once again my conclusion is that given the nature of human imagination it is fair to conclude that the kind of things people describe as being 'the supernatural' are no kind of reality. The supernatural has no existence outside the skull of the perciever.
Stuart
Greetings Stu…..The nature of human imagination has it roots in the spirit that is man….and that spirit is defined as being the essense of who we are….Do you think the spirit that defines who we are is not supernatural.??
Quote (theodorej @ Oct. 28 2008,01:38) Greetings Stu…..The nature of human imagination has it roots in the spirit that is man….and that spirit is defined as being the essense of who we are….Do you think the spirit that defines who we are is not supernatural.??
What is the meaning of the word spirit? What actually is it?Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Oct. 28 2008,18:46) Quote (theodorej @ Oct. 28 2008,01:38) Greetings Stu…..The nature of human imagination has it roots in the spirit that is man….and that spirit is defined as being the essense of who we are….Do you think the spirit that defines who we are is not supernatural.??
What is the meaning of the word spirit? What actually is it?Stuart
Greetings Stu…..The spirit that is you…Your interlect,your emotions,your reasoning,your persona….These are just some of the elements that contribute to who you are…These are not physical attributes,they are spiritual…Where do you think they come from…Quote (theodorej @ Oct. 29 2008,01:29) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 28 2008,18:46) Quote (theodorej @ Oct. 28 2008,01:38) Greetings Stu…..The nature of human imagination has it roots in the spirit that is man….and that spirit is defined as being the essense of who we are….Do you think the spirit that defines who we are is not supernatural.??
What is the meaning of the word spirit? What actually is it?Stuart
Greetings Stu…..The spirit that is you…Your interlect,your emotions,your reasoning,your persona….These are just some of the elements that contribute to who you are…These are not physical attributes,they are spiritual…Where do you think they come from…
Well they would disappear if my brain was removed. They can all be altered by making changes in my brain. Does that tell you the obvious answer?Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Oct. 29 2008,20:47) Quote (theodorej @ Oct. 29 2008,01:29) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 28 2008,18:46) Quote (theodorej @ Oct. 28 2008,01:38) Greetings Stu…..The nature of human imagination has it roots in the spirit that is man….and that spirit is defined as being the essense of who we are….Do you think the spirit that defines who we are is not supernatural.??
What is the meaning of the word spirit? What actually is it?Stuart
Greetings Stu…..The spirit that is you…Your interlect,your emotions,your reasoning,your persona….These are just some of the elements that contribute to who you are…These are not physical attributes,they are spiritual…Where do you think they come from…
Well they would disappear if my brain was removed. They can all be altered by making changes in my brain. Does that tell you the obvious answer?Stuart
Greetings Stu…..If your brain was removed you would not be with us….Quote (theodorej @ Oct. 30 2008,01:31) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 29 2008,20:47) Quote (theodorej @ Oct. 29 2008,01:29) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 28 2008,18:46) Quote (theodorej @ Oct. 28 2008,01:38) Greetings Stu…..The nature of human imagination has it roots in the spirit that is man….and that spirit is defined as being the essense of who we are….Do you think the spirit that defines who we are is not supernatural.??
What is the meaning of the word spirit? What actually is it?Stuart
Greetings Stu…..The spirit that is you…Your interlect,your emotions,your reasoning,your persona….These are just some of the elements that contribute to who you are…These are not physical attributes,they are spiritual…Where do you think they come from…
Well they would disappear if my brain was removed. They can all be altered by making changes in my brain. Does that tell you the obvious answer?Stuart
Greetings Stu…..If your brain was removed you would not be with us….
…nor would there be a 'soul' or 'spirit' left?How about the fact that my personality can be changed by a brain surgeon? If my personality is part of my spirit then my spirit must be a physical entity.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Oct. 30 2008,05:47) Quote (theodorej @ Oct. 30 2008,01:31) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 29 2008,20:47) Quote (theodorej @ Oct. 29 2008,01:29) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 28 2008,18:46) Quote (theodorej @ Oct. 28 2008,01:38) Greetings Stu…..The nature of human imagination has it roots in the spirit that is man….and that spirit is defined as being the essense of who we are….Do you think the spirit that defines who we are is not supernatural.??
What is the meaning of the word spirit? What actually is it?Stuart
Greetings Stu…..The spirit that is you…Your interlect,your emotions,your reasoning,your persona….These are just some of the elements that contribute to who you are…These are not physical attributes,they are spiritual…Where do you think they come from…
Well they would disappear if my brain was removed. They can all be altered by making changes in my brain. Does that tell you the obvious answer?Stuart
Greetings Stu…..If your brain was removed you would not be with us….
…nor would there be a 'soul' or 'spirit' left?How about the fact that my personality can be changed by a brain surgeon? If my personality is part of my spirit then my spirit must be a physical entity.
Stuart
Greetings Stu…….Your behavior can be changed by a brain surgeon….Your persona will remain,however,you may not be able to demonstrate emotions of anger and love,that does not mean they are not present….Quote (theodorej @ Oct. 30 2008,22:04) Greetings Stu…….Your behavior can be changed by a brain surgeon….Your persona will remain,however,you may not be able to demonstrate emotions of anger and love,that does not mean they are not present….
There is a lot of neuroscience and clinical psychology here that we are trampling over. Your reptilian brain (the bit above the brainstem, including some of the little dangling bits) is the generator of emotional experience. Your personality is a product of the workings of the neocortex which includes everything that makes us uniquely human. Behaviours result from the interactions between the parts of the brain and it can be a haphazard interaction because natural selection has piled up different sorts of brain in the same skull without wiring them up in a coherent way. A creationist would have to concede that god is a briliant biochemist but a lousy electrician.People who undergo frontal lobotomy can have changes in their personalities, as measured by standard tests. You are claiming, once again without evidence, that the things making up the 'persona' are still present. That is clearly not a resonable conclusion, especially as you don't seem to be able to tell us what a persona is in your model of it.
Stuart
Stuart, “WELCOME”
The DR LUKES, THE PHARISEE psychiatrist, have been around forever, they take hold of the evidence, delivered and given by the UN educated disciples, misconstrue, reconstruct in WRITING suiting their frame of mind, receiving all the glory?
Mostly these people are religious, and given a great deal of power from governments to take power of others lives freely. Religion promise to control the crowd and turn up with the numbers, what more could the government wish for? and perhaps some Einstein will be medicated with their mind altering drugs before reaching his goal to change and deliver the genius evidence, whom truly should be regarded as the Mentally sick and dangerous with power.Hi Charity
In principle, science can be reproduced by anyone. There are resource constraints but it is the most democratic and empowering knowledge there is. And it works, too.
Revelation is private and personal, in my opinion all in the head, and those who impose their revelation on others are the ones to worry about. Saul of Tarsus was the grandfather of 'imposing on others'. Is the dictator or the fanatic more convincing?
Stuart
true science is more humble Stuart and flexible with knowledge.
the conflicting REPORTS of one Jesus + two different interruptions (Jhon & Paul) dose not and will be far off to = the true personality of one minds missions.
The position has been built, and if psychiatrist were able to anatomize the heart of men personally instead of boxing in groups with lesser shallow wisdom of understanding,
the writers literature, is able tell the multitudes of sins and their intentions.Quote (Stu @ Oct. 29 2008,20:47) Quote (theodorej @ Oct. 29 2008,01:29) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 28 2008,18:46) Quote (theodorej @ Oct. 28 2008,01:38) Greetings Stu…..The nature of human imagination has it roots in the spirit that is man….and that spirit is defined as being the essense of who we are….Do you think the spirit that defines who we are is not supernatural.??
What is the meaning of the word spirit? What actually is it?Stuart
Greetings Stu…..The spirit that is you…Your interlect,your emotions,your reasoning,your persona….These are just some of the elements that contribute to who you are…These are not physical attributes,they are spiritual…Where do you think they come from…
Well they would disappear if my brain was removed. They can all be altered by making changes in my brain. Does that tell you the obvious answer?Stuart
When a driver is not in his car, the car is usually lifeless and stationary. When he sits inside and engages the machine it comes to life so to speak.So is the driver the car?
Quote (Stu @ Oct. 30 2008,05:47) Quote (theodorej @ Oct. 30 2008,01:31) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 29 2008,20:47) Quote (theodorej @ Oct. 29 2008,01:29) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 28 2008,18:46) Quote (theodorej @ Oct. 28 2008,01:38) Greetings Stu…..The nature of human imagination has it roots in the spirit that is man….and that spirit is defined as being the essense of who we are….Do you think the spirit that defines who we are is not supernatural.??
What is the meaning of the word spirit? What actually is it?Stuart
Greetings Stu…..The spirit that is you…Your interlect,your emotions,your reasoning,your persona….These are just some of the elements that contribute to who you are…These are not physical attributes,they are spiritual…Where do you think they come from…
Well they would disappear if my brain was removed. They can all be altered by making changes in my brain. Does that tell you the obvious answer?Stuart
Greetings Stu…..If your brain was removed you would not be with us….
…nor would there be a 'soul' or 'spirit' left?How about the fact that my personality can be changed by a brain surgeon? If my personality is part of my spirit then my spirit must be a physical entity.
Stuart
If the car that is driven suffers from a flat tyre, then is the person disabled or the machine that he is in?Surely the driver is capable of driving the car fully, but the car can let him down if it is not functioning 100%.
Quote (Stu @ Oct. 18 2008,08:24) I reject gods of all kinds and I experience these same things. Stuart
Accept for yourself. You are the most high authority in your life and so you have made yourself God.Quote (Stu @ Oct. 28 2008,18:46) Quote (theodorej @ Oct. 28 2008,01:38) Greetings Stu…..The nature of human imagination has it roots in the spirit that is man….and that spirit is defined as being the essense of who we are….Do you think the spirit that defines who we are is not supernatural.??
What is the meaning of the word spirit? What actually is it?Stuart
Think of it as the life force, similar to electricity. When you connect an electrical current to a dead frog you can make its legs kick. Electricity is of course physical, but it is energy that makes things move. Very primitive compared to spirit (pneuma).It is also like water. Without water there is no physical life as we know it. Without spirit there is no life.
Jesus put it like this:
John 4:10
Jesus answered her, “If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water.”John 4:11
“Sir,” the woman said, “you have nothing to draw with and the well is deep. Where can you get this living water?John 7:38
Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, streams of living water will flow from within him.”Quote (t8 @ Nov. 06 2008,17:10) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 18 2008,08:24) I reject gods of all kinds and I experience these same things. Stuart
Accept for yourself. You are the most high authority in your life and so you have made yourself God.
Makes paying tithes simpler
t8 the last vestiges of vitalism died with Wohler's urea experiment in 1828. Most of your arguments were last considered valid about then, so I salute your consistency at least.
Stuart
Quote (t8 @ Nov. 07 2008,10:10) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 18 2008,08:24) I reject gods of all kinds and I experience these same things. Stuart
Accept for yourself. You are the most high authority in your life and so you have made yourself God.
I would never admit to being anything as grammatically incorrect as that.Stuart
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