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Maybe that is because you read the bible with an already made up mind that it was not going to do anything for you. I assume you did it anyway just for your on sake so that you can tell people that you at least read it, more then a search for the truth.
Had you read Exodus you would see that GOD hardens peoples heart that are unbelieving or refuse to believe once they have been shown. But being as you don't believe in GOD or the Bible its vain to show you those scriptures at this point.
I like the way you “Break” everything down that shows signs of OCD
I think a lot of People have the wrong idea about GOD. They seem to have “stereo-typed” him into killing millions of people.
THAT WERE KILLING EACH OTHER ANYWAYS!
If he hadn't of done they sure would have done it to themselves, he more or less just put them out of their own misery IMO.Much like the path we are headed down at current date. Which is why I expect GOD to jump in at any minute…to take action on this mess.
I really hope you do find GOD …aside from the fact that we disagree…I enjoy chatting with you. You are very good for conversation. I'd love to spend eternity with you.
Quote (Is 1:18 @ Mar. 30 2008,20:28) Archaeopteryx was a bird. It possessed the full anatomy and brain structure needed for flight. Its teeth were grasping teeth, and it was not the only fossilised bird species discovered to have them either. It's feathers have been found to be complete feathers, like modern birds. Got anything more compelling?
The infallible source of all good truth, Wikipedia, says this:Archaeopteryx has more in common with small theropod dinosaurs than it does with modern birds. In particular, it shares the following features with the deinonychosaurs (dromaeosaurs and troodontids): jaws with sharp teeth, three fingers with claws, a long bony tail, hyperextensible second toes (“killing claw”), feathers (which also suggest homeothermy), and various skeletal features.
The features above make Archaeopteryx the first clear candidate for a transitional fossil between dinosaurs and birds. Thus, Archaeopteryx plays an important role not only in the study of the origin of birds but in the study of dinosaurs.
The fact that you can make modern chickens grow teeth by turning on suppressed genes is a demonstration of common ancestry (or a wasteful and inelegant design strategy).
Stuart
Hi Samuel
Quote Maybe that is because you read the bible with an already made up mind that it was not going to do anything for you. I assume you did it anyway just for your on sake so that you can tell people that you at least read it, more then a search for the truth.
Maybe that did happen. I like to think I keep an open mind, and am adult enough to concede when I have no answer. But I have read quite a lot of it. If the truth of the bible was so compelling and consistent, should I not be a believer by now? What power of logical resistance should I have against an all-knowing and all-powerful supernatural being?Quote Had you read Exodus you would see that GOD hardens peoples heart that are unbelieving or refuse to believe once they have been shown. But being as you don't believe in GOD or the Bible its vain to show you those scriptures at this point.
Did the exodus actually even happen?Quote I think a lot of People have the wrong idea about GOD. They seem to have “stereo-typed” him into killing millions of people. THAT WERE KILLING EACH OTHER ANYWAYS!
If he hadn't of done they sure would have done it to themselves, he more or less just put them out of their own misery IMO.
So killing is OK, because enough people kill anyway? Wow.Quote Much like the path we are headed down at current date. Which is why I expect GOD to jump in at any minute…to take action on this mess.
And exactly what path are we ‘headed down’? Our major issues are climate change, which is denied by the mostly bible-believing right in the US, and religious fundamentalist terrorism, specifically isalmic terrorism and Israeli terrorism supported by christian fundamentalists. Do you not think that these two threats to the world might have already had enough biblical input? Maybe we could try a secular approach. That would be new!Quote I really hope you do find GOD …aside from the fact that we disagree…I enjoy chatting with you. You are very good for conversation. I'd love to spend eternity with you.
Same here, but we’d better make the most of chatting now. Although I think we are going to the same place after death, I don’t think you think we are!!Stuart
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 30 2008,21:14) Hi Stu,
So you make a theory a fact and then search for suitably agreeable proofs?
You make an hypothesis then search for evidence that either agrees with or contradicts it. If the evidence tends to support your hypothesis you have the gold standard that you call a theory. Theories must make testable predictions and be falsifiable. Evolution is a fact because it is so well demonstrated by evidence that it is perverse to deny it. Natural selection is the theory that explains the fact of evolution. Its relative causes and effects is something that is debated, but no one seriously debates whether it is the mechanism responsible for evolution, except christian and muslim fundamentalists. And you can't really call that serious debate.Unlike mathematics, there is no such thing as 'proof' in science. There is disproof. If we find bunny rabbit fossils in the oldest rocks then evolution by natural selection is disproved.
Stuart
Quote (Samuel @ Mar. 30 2008,03:29) I think a lot of People have the wrong idea about GOD. They seem to have “stereo-typed” him into killing millions of people. THAT WERE KILLING EACH OTHER ANYWAYS!
If he hadn't of done they sure would have done it to themselves, he more or less just put them out of their own misery IMO.
I'm almost appalled that someone would take this view. God just coming in and killing because people were killing each other anyway? What a scary view of a God.So next I suppose that God will randomly take out inner city youth who are caught up in criminal behavior? That way they won't be killing each other, but God will.
That should get more to believe in God. After all, they wouldn't want to be the next on God's hit list.
I hope you rethink this.
Quote Much like the path we are headed down at current date. Which is why I expect GOD to jump in at any minute…to take action on this mess.
If you look throughout history, men have been killing each other since the dawn of time. If God didn't send Jesus back when the Christians were killing Jews AND each other, why wait until now when such wanton slaughter is no longer common place?If God didn't send Jesus back when Islam came into the world and spread in the Middle East through forced conversion and slaughter (very similar to the forced conversion of Jews to Christianity BTW), why wait until now when these practices have been greatly reduced?
People have been using chemicals to alter their minds since they have been discovered. People have been having orgies since the beginning. People have been stealing from one another since the beginning.
The difference, that would make you think God will be “cleaning house” soon is a combination of 24 hour news channels that cover every little bad thing they can and fundy preachers in the pulpit using the ever popular tactic of fear to gain an audience.
haha well I don't know. I'm not trying to “Justify GOD” GOD don't need to be Justified. And, with the reading of the Old Testament…Non-Believers get the idea that GOD just goes around killing people as he pleases. I really don't know why people get this idea. GOD makes judgments…and they are “Just”, we can't see that because nothing we do is “Just” it seems. Even Honest people lie…thats why we have locks…locks keep honest people honest.
First off…Wikipedia is not necessarily fact anyways.
I don't know really your asking me to explain GOD. Thats something that I can't give you in the “Full” detail that you might like to have.
GOD can though. Heres and Idea! How about asking him…instead of me?Perhaps reasons why non-believers think god had killed millions indiscriminately are here:
http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2006….ed.html
The list of reasons really do put lie to the claim that this god is just.
Stuart
Here was my favorite response. I can imagine one or two on here making similar responses:
- The question you did not ask was; Is God justified in killing these people.
If God is who He says He is, then He is justified in all that He does. He is the ultimate standard for what is just and unjust.
He can kill who He pleases and is righteous in doing it.
So, I'm curious Nick: why is abortion wrong? If you say the one who gives life can take it away, then the same logic dictates that a woman can abort because she gave life to the fetus.
Of course, I believe all life is precious and that abortion is wrong. Then again, I don't agree that God killing wantonly just because a biased ancient tome said so.
Hi Kj,
I cannot believe there are folk who would take the bible and it's revelations about God
and then arrogantly try to apply moral judgements drawn from those writings
against the extraordinarily awesome God revealed there.It begs commonsense.
Thats what man does…
We judge everything…some men even like to judge their own creator, such as we see here.Hi KJ,
Who gives life?Job 33:4
“The Spirit of God has made me,And the breath of the Almighty gives me life.Acts 17:25
nor is He served by human hands, as though He needed anything, since He Himself gives to all people life and breath and all things;1 Timothy 6:13
I charge you in the presence of God, who gives life to all things, and of Christ Jesus, who testified the good confession before Pontius Pilate,You know I'm sure that GOD could come down here and explain everything to every…but….
Chances are you would not even believe he was GOD, and you would not want to even listen to him.
…Remember what the world did to Jesus?
Once he does come back an proves his self to everyone…which that day is getting really super close I believe. You'll know then.
Yep…every knee shall bow…”Shall” meaning “Will” not “Should” or “Might” or “Maybe” “It will happen”…that is a certainty.
I would hope that GOD would have mercy on all creatures in that day. I really would love to spend eternity with the people I've met in my little bitty life I've had here on Earth.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 30 2008,14:55) Hi Kj,
I cannot believe there are folk who would take the bible and it's revelations about God
and then arrogantly try to apply moral judgements drawn from those writings
against the extraordinarily awesome God revealed there.It begs commonsense.
But I CAN believe that you will never answer any questions. Why do you avoid answering questions that people bring up? Instead you always say “don't question”.Quote (Samuel @ Mar. 30 2008,16:24) Thats what man does…
We judge everything…some men even like to judge their own creator, such as we see here.
This is where you and Nick and some others get it dead wrong. Well, maybe not as far as Stu is concerned, but I don't question my Creator, I just question the view of Him in the bible. A fundamentalist wants to say that God is perfectly represented in the bible, but that would mean that God is a jealous tyrant who's in the business of punishing or rewarding based on an odd set of rules for modern man. Don't forget when the bible was written, and the circumstances of life.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 30 2008,16:37) Hi KJ,
Who gives life?Job 33:4
“The Spirit of God has made me,And the breath of the Almighty gives me life.Acts 17:25
nor is He served by human hands, as though He needed anything, since He Himself gives to all people life and breath and all things;1 Timothy 6:13
I charge you in the presence of God, who gives life to all things, and of Christ Jesus, who testified the good confession before Pontius Pilate,
I know who gives life. The bible doesn't give life, and the bible was written by men with biases.Quote (Samuel @ Mar. 30 2008,17:00) You know I'm sure that GOD could come down here and explain everything to every…but…. Chances are you would not even believe he was GOD, and you would not want to even listen to him.
Perhaps you are right, because everyone has their own view of God. What if He doesn't match up to the expectations of Him given in the bible?Quote …Remember what the world did to Jesus?
The “world” didn't do anything to Jesus. Jesus caused a ruckus in the temple and claimed to be a king while under Roman rules. Insurrection was punishable by crucifixion.Beyond that, why would you expect the Hebrew people who knew scripture to accept him? He did not match the expectations of the coming son of David. That man was to deliver the Jews from a physical ruling body. In this case, the Romans. Yet Jesus did not do that — nor even come close — so you can see why he was not accepted by the Jews who actually knew OT.
Quote Once he does come back an proves his self to everyone…which that day is getting really super close I believe. You'll know then.
People have been saying that he will be “returning soon” since Paul's time. What makes now any more special?Quote Yep…every knee shall bow…”Shall” meaning “Will” not “Should” or “Might” or “Maybe” “It will happen”…that is a certainty. I would hope that GOD would have mercy on all creatures in that day. I really would love to spend eternity with the people I've met in my little bitty life I've had here on Earth.
But if you believe that the plan is only available by those who accept Jesus, then this rather inequitable and limited plan will keep billions — those who have never heard of Jesus and those who see no reason to believe — from joining you. But that is just a belief.
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