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Quote Hi W,
Was Jesus God when he was man?
In whose power did he work ?Yes he was God and man. God in the flesh. But according to Phil 2 he left his right to be equal with God, for he was in the form of God, by leaving his power and authority he had with God and humbled himself to take on the form of a man and to become a Son to the Father who he was with and obey him even unto death.
Heb 10
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.Now he has been elevated back to his place with the Father by his side all power and authority given to him and all the Glory he shared with the Father as God.
But you will not believe him!
Quote Hi W,
Was Jesus God when he was man?
In whose power did he work ?Both he and the Father worked. The Father indwelled him through the Spirit from the Jordan.
Look real close.
Jn 5:
17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.The Father works and I work.
The Son sees the Father do and does.
The Father raises the dead and the Son raises the dead.
All Judgement is given to the Son.
The Son is to be honoured as the Father is honoured.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 19 2007,22:29) Quote Hi W,
Was Jesus God when he was man?
In whose power did he work ?Yes he was God and man. God in the flesh. But according to Phil 2 he left his right to be equal with God, for he was in the form of God, by leaving his power and authority he had with God and humbled himself to take on the form of a man and to become a Son to the Father who he was with and obey him even unto death.
Heb 10
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.Now he has been elevated back to his place with the Father by his side all power and authority given to him and all the Glory he shared with the Father as God.
But you will not believe him!
Hi W,
If he was always one being in God then Phil 2 does pose you some problems.
He emptied himself.
God emptied Himself??
Did God become less than God, even less than the angels for a time.
Why did God need to be anointed with the Holy Spirit and power?
Ummm.Quote Hi W,
If he was always one being in God then Phil 2 does pose you some problems.
He emptied himself.
God emptied Himself??
Did God become less than God, even less than the angels for a time.
Why did God need to be anointed with the Holy Spirit and power?
Ummm.NH
You confuse the deity of Christ and his humanity!
You have a Spirit of confusion that cant reconcile these things because you have grasped a false teaching and made it you foundation!
Although I have certainly been guilty of this, with the explosion of threads, I am seeing more and more need for us to stay on topic.
I ask Nick, the moderator to remind us more often to do this.
Secondly, is there any way we can delete some of the threads that have nothing to do with anything, but are only one post of random sentences.
And finally, C, I realize T8 is busy and I think this has been mentioned before, but I wonder if there should be a separate area or grouping for the now many trinity threads.
david
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 19 2007,23:25) Quote Hi W,
If he was always one being in God then Phil 2 does pose you some problems.
He emptied himself.
God emptied Himself??
Did God become less than God, even less than the angels for a time.
Why did God need to be anointed with the Holy Spirit and power?
Ummm.NH
You confuse the deity of Christ and his humanity!
You have a Spirit of confusion that cant reconcile these things because you have grasped a false teaching and made it you foundation!
Hi W,.
Did you not say Christ has always been as one with God, the one being?
So if God empties Himself and comes as man then He is changed.
God does not change.
God cannot die.
We deserve a better explanation rather than the easy option of diversion into abuse you have chosen.Yes David .
Few have changed their mind, but all have been challenged to think more deeply and check their doctrines according to Scripture and that is all we have to do. Changing minds is the work of the grace of God.Acts 5:31
” He is the one whom God exalted to His right hand as a Prince and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.”Quote Yes David .
Few have changed their mind, but all have been challenged to think more deeply and check their doctrines according to Scripture and that is all we have to do. Changing minds is the work of the grace of God.I would like to site this as case #1 of Nick answering questions so oddly, or rather, not answering them at all, but seeming like he is. Looking at the post above Nick's post, I asked Nick some things, none of which have anything to do with what he said after he said: “Yes, David…”
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 20 2007,03:49) Quote Hi W,
Was Jesus God when he was man?
In whose power did he work ?Both he and the Father worked. The Father indwelled him through the Spirit from the Jordan.
Look real close.
Jn 5:
17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.The Father works and I work.
The Son sees the Father do and does.
The Father raises the dead and the Son raises the dead.
All Judgement is given to the Son.
The Son is to be honoured as the Father is honoured.
Hi W,So how do you end up with ONE from the TWO, if you discount the biblical union exemplified by a man and his wife of which the man is the head because the woman came out of him?
Hi W, I am sorry about posting in the wrong thread. Please feel free to post any response to me in the trinity thread.
Quote (Morning Star @ Jan. 16 2007,16:33) In the history of Heaven.net does anyone know of any person ever actually changing their mind on their understanding of the trinity. This change could be away or towards the trinitarian perspective. I am just curious if anyone has actually had a change of mind.
Has a trinitarian ever saw the light and became a non-trinitarian and/or saw the light and became a trinitarian?I am sure much knowledge has been gained through iron sharpening iron. Yet, that is not the same as actually being convinced ones position was incorrect.
Hi MS,I am thinking about Acts 7 where Stephen had passionately preached to his kinsmen (Israel) and how I don't recall that anyone responded positively. In fact, he ended up getting stoned to death for speaking what was obviously true, touching on what we speak of here….
Then later came the Apostle Paul's conversion. He had been present that day and if I remember correctly, he was even more vehemently opposed to the disciples after Stephen's preaching!
Here Jesus, the apostles and others were preaching this very message to the children of the very prophets whom God had used to long ago prophesy what was happening. You think they should have had better turn outs and welcome. Jesus was right there on the scene being confirmed by God Almighty with ample miracles, as were the apostles, and still, those who should have been aiding in the work were hardest to convince. So if it seems that people aren't changing their minds, it is nothing new… and yet, we know that the gates of hell have not prevailed against the Truth and Church. So Over all, I am encouraged given these things and believe that those who have ears to hear are hearing, wherever they may be.
And we ourselves grow more confident in the truth that God so graciously opens our eyes to when we seek him.
Hi,
This site works for God by offering a potpourri of scripture for anyone to hear the voice of the Spirit therein, as He wrote it through men. Closed mindedness and doctrinal prisons of deception do not let that light enter but some are berean and do hear. Greeks play clever games and spiritists express their spirits but God reaches a remnant.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 20 2007,17:29) Yes he was God and man. God in the flesh. But according to Phil 2 he left his right to be equal with God,
You can't be equal to something and be that thing too.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 20 2007,18:25) NH You confuse the deity of Christ and his humanity!
You have a Spirit of confusion that cant reconcile these things because you have grasped a false teaching and made it you foundation!
To WorshippingJesus.If you understood the difference between nature and identity, you wouldn't have made this post and many others.
The Father is identified as God in scripture.
But many share his divine nature including us at some stage, but primarily his son.
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