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Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 20 2007,02:59) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 19 2007,03:55) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 18 2007,16:04) [13] And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
Look closely.Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, AND unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
It mentions 2.
Jesus is the Lamb OF God.
An excellent argument to make to a sabellianist….
Also if Jesus sits on the throne, does that make him God?
If so, then some over-comers must be Jesus.Revelation 3:21
To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne.That is what I love about scripture. It is a light that shines through darkness and lies. It is there to guide us.
Quote (t8 @ Jan. 19 2007,12:46) Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 20 2007,02:59) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 19 2007,03:55) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 18 2007,16:04) [13] And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
Look closely.Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, AND unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
It mentions 2.
Jesus is the Lamb OF God.
An excellent argument to make to a sabellianist….
Also if Jesus sits on the throne, does that make him God?
If so, then some over-comers must be Jesus.Revelation 3:21
To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne.That is what I love about scripture. It is a light that shines through darkness and lies. It is there to guide us.
Hi t8I am still thinking about this throne sitting, that scripture you gave is really great
What I was wanting to ask was do you think that perhaps the the throne that is talked about here is the fathers throne King Davids, and how Christ came to sit again on the Throne of David.
I just can’t digest that Gods throne is not all Gods, I am A little fearful to get that close you seeRev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
Isa 9:7 Of the increase of [his] government and peace [there shall be] no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
Im staying a piller till this is sorted:D HELP!!
Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and my new name.See here mystery of God and of the Father, and of Christ; Is God speaking of himself twice
Col 2:2 That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;
GOD BLESS,We all just have a love for the truth
charity
t8
I’m loosing sleep over this nowWe just can’t let these Trinitarians near the any throne
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Quote Also if Jesus sits on the throne, does that make him God?
If so, then some over-comers must be Jesus.Revelation 3:21
To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne.That is what I love about scripture. It is a light that shines through darkness and lies. It is there to guide us.
t8
Do you see any overcomers in that throne?
Col 1:16
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:Rev 20:4
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Why try to read into the word!
Quote t8
I’m loosing sleep over this nowWe just can’t let these Trinitarians near the any throne
2Th 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.Charity
Thats a pretty harsh and broad accusation to make toward believers in Jesus.
Quote (t8 @ Jan. 19 2007,12:35) Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 20 2007,02:59) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 19 2007,03:55) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 18 2007,16:04) [13] And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
Look closely.Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, AND unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
It mentions 2.
Jesus is the Lamb OF God.
An excellent argument to make to a sabellianist….
Don't you mean a Sabellian?I also give you permission to take my post and make a case for Sabellianism if you want to. Not sure if anyone will believe you however.
I personally teach as scripture says, that God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. The son of God is the the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world.
Trinitarians believe that God is triune, therefore if they are consistent should they not believe that THE TRINITY so loved the world that THE TRINITY gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life?
How about we get past labels and call false doctrine what it is?
Ontology, Sabellianism, Triune, Creedal formulas, and other concepts are often used to baffle people with bull. But once a person has seen the true light and is in the truth, then it is harder to fool such a person.
A similar situation can be found in the field of science. Evolutionists have baffled millions of people with their theory and because of peoples ignorance, they accept these people's views as authoritative.
But we haven't thrown away our minds. God gave us the ability to think and to check out all things to see if they are true.
The Trinity contradicts scripture, so I confidently say that it is a false doctrine and a lie from the enemy.
Those who teach false doctrine are not in the will of God with regards to their teaching.
Hi t8,
I agreed with almost everything that you said except maybe the last sentence.I am not sure yet that it is not the will of God that the entire Christian church is deceived. I think that they are the many called so that some can be chosen. The some that can overcome the deception and see the truth.
Forgive my sometimes overly simplified understanding of
what I think that God is teaching me.Tim
Quote A similar situation can be found in the field of science. Evolutionists have baffled millions of people with their theory and because of peoples ignorance, they accept these people's views as authoritative. t8
Speaking of evolution…
You believe that the word/God ceased to be God and became a mere man like you and I, in essence changing from being one type of being to another.
Like say the monkey became human.
In nature itself this is not possible.
So ask your self, did Jesus go through an evolutionary process when he was born?
If he did then you must believe in evolution.
Only in this case it would be a being becoming a lessor being. God becoming a man.
But then you have the truth.
Itim 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.I Jn 5:
19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
Hi w,
To become man Christ had only to partake of our flesh.“Remember man that thou atr dust and unto dust thou shalt return”
He did more than that and emptied himself, left his glory behind a becoming for a time less than the angels and like to us in all ways except sin.
I realise this grates with your doctrinal base but it is what scripture says and that is the rock base we are meant to have.
Quote Hi w,
To become man Christ had only to partake of our flesh.“Remember man that thou atr dust and unto dust thou shalt return”
He did more than that and emptied himself, left his glory behind a becoming for a time less than the angels and like to us in all ways except sin.
I realise this grates with your doctrinal base but it is what scripture says and that is the rock base we are meant
NH
So you do beleve in evolution! So Jesus did change from being God to being a man.
Not scriptural.
You should stop teaching these lies.
Hi W,.
So you really do not believe Jesus was a man at all! Then why be mealy mouthed and say you do in one breath and you do not in another?Quote Hi W,.
So you really do not believe Jesus was a man at all! Then why be mealy mouthed and say you do in one breath and you do not in another?NH
You dont get it. Jesus was both God and man.
His Spirit the Word was tabernacle took on the Flesh or body that God prepared through the virgin Mary.
Heb 10:
5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.The Word/God came in the flesh. Humbled himself, leaving all of his power and authority and even his “right to be God” . he humbled himsel and obeyed the Father even to the death of the cross.
And now has returned back to his original place as one with God and the Glory which he shared.
I Tim 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.Quote Hi W,
Was Jesus conceived?Of course. What is a body concieved without the Spirit that gives life to the body?
Jesus the Word/God brought life to the conception by entering the body or embryo or cells.
God in the flesh.
Quote So Mary was his true mother partly supplying his genetic human nature and not a surrogate? NH
Of Course. Or he wouldnt be of the Bloodline of David!
Yes!
A well-reasoned article on Yahshua's claim to be from the “seed of David” can be found here:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/davids_seed.htm
Here is an excerpt:
“Neither Matthew nor Luke apparently had a problem with calling Jesus a Son of David while still affirming his virginal conception and birth. Unlike SBW, they were aware that Christ truly became a full human being, and truly was Mary’s virgin born son, which meant that he truly had a human ancestry from his mother’s side which linked him to King David and to the Patriarchs:“
Quote A well-reasoned article on Yahshua's claim to be from the “seed of David” can be found here: http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/davids_seed.htm
Here is an excerpt:
“Neither Matthew nor Luke apparently had a problem with calling Jesus a Son of David while still affirming his virginal conception and birth. Unlike SBW, they were aware that Christ truly became a full human being, and truly was Mary’s virgin born son, which meant that he truly had a human ancestry from his mother’s side which linked him to King David and to the Patriarchs:”
Hi Is 1:18
I had read that article it is pretty good!
Blessings
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