Halloween is coming up

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Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 14 2009,19:11)

Constitutionalist – your name suits you.

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Why not? Its just to have fun. Have a little dope, its a little fun, watch a little porno, its a little fun, have a little drink, its to have fun, tell a little lie, its a little fun.

“What ever floats your boat” pretty revealing don't you think.

Spare me your self-righteous mumbo-jumbo, bro. Keep it real. I'm not talking about dropping acid here, I'm talking about having some people over for some food, games, and a little dress-up.

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Hmmn?, Go out and preach the attractive gospel? The attractive gospels saves, the attractive gospel shows the righteous way with no boring, unattractive, burdening rules, regulations, or judgements.

3.Titus 2:10
and not to steal from them, but to show that they can be fully trusted, so that in every way they will make the teaching about God our Savior attractive.

You obviously have no idea what I'm talking about. Have you ever shared Jesus on the streets of a big city? How far do you think you would go in reaching those souls by telling them all the rules?

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Why aren't you an athiest?

I've considered it. Have you? I think most people must consider is God real?
But I guess you meant that comment to be a dig instead of a true question.

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Ya, but are you alright with him? The Old Testament has 929 chapters, 260 chapters in the New Testament, written over a 1500 year span (from 1400 B.C to A.D. 100), over 40 generations, over 40 authors from many walks of life (i.e. – kings, peasants, philosophers, fishermen, poets, statesmen, scholars), in different places (i.e. – wilderness, dungeon, palaces), at different times (i.e. – war, peace), in different moods (i.e. – heights of joy, depths of despair), on three continents (Asia, Africa, and Europe), in three languages (Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek) and all that means is “love God and love one another”.

Yes. Listen to Jesus.

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So you like only the good parts?

Well, they're the ones I read the most! :;):
Who wants to read about burning children and rape?

Dude, relax, okay? Salvation isn't that difficult. It's a gift, remember?

Love,
Mandy

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Spare me your self-righteous mumbo-jumbo, bro. Keep it real. I'm not talking about dropping acid here, I'm talking about having some people over for some food, games, and a little dress-up.

And what does it teach the young impressionable children? That dressing up as a witchs, goblins, skeletons, freddy krugers, jasons, ghouls, ghosts, devils, fairies, scream, zombies, werewolves, vampires, female angels, fairytales, grim reapers, goths, sexy costumes, nothing wrong with a little dress up.

You might as well be talking about dropping acid.

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Titus 2:10 and not to steal from them, but to show that they can be fully trusted, so that in every way they will make the teaching about God our Savior attractive.

Not so attractive when read in context with the rest of the scriptures:

Now for the rest of the story:

Titus 2:7-13 In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine [shewing] uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity, Sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you. [Exhort] servants to be obedient unto their own masters, [and] to please [them] well in all [things]; not answering again; Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things. For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things. = Not keeping the gospel for personal use but to show it off to all in good faith so they may love the doctrine of God.

Halloween appears to be a worldly lust, thank you for bringing up that verse. I might have overlooked it.

You obviously have no idea what I'm talking about. Have you ever shared Jesus on the streets of a big city? How far do you think you would go in reaching those souls by telling them all the rules?

Actually quite far, and I have been preaching the Gospel in Federal Prisons for the last twenty years, and yes those are very big cities. They hear the rules daily.

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Why aren't you an athiest?
I've considered it. Have you? I think most people must consider is God real?
But I guess you meant that comment to be a dig instead of a true question.

Yes it is a dig, but have you figured out how it was meant?

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So you like only the good parts?
Well, they're the ones I read the most! :;):

Who wants to read about burning children and rape?

Dude, relax, okay? Salvation isn't that difficult. It's a gift, remember?

Thats it?

For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

October 15, 2009 at 3:50 am#150479

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Constitutionalist,

wonderful posts you present, i have not heard these teachings for some time now, thought they had already been revealed to the truth seekers.

it is a blessings to read your posts, usually, i speed read over the long post, yours is well worth the time, nicely written easy on the eyes and yes very fruitful. thank you.

when the SUNday teaching teach of Noah they seem to 'forget' that seven pairs of clean animals were taken, the others were only taken by pairs. Wonder why? never did understand that.

kol tuv to you and yours

barux hashem!

Blessed are You, LORD our God, King of the universe, Who gave to us the Messiah Yeshua and the commandments of the Renewed Covenant. Blessed art You, LORD, Giver of the Renewed Covenant. Blessed are You, LORD our God, King of the universe, Who gave to us the Word of Truth and planted everlasting life in our midst. Blessed are You, LORD, Giver of the Renewed Covenant.

Thank God!

October 15, 2009 at 4:05 am#150484

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I offer this scripture and a double-barrelled question.

Ephesians 5:1-11
1Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children; 2and walk in love, just as Christ also loved you and gave Himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God as a fragrant aroma.
3But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints; 4and there must be no filthiness and silly talk, or coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. 5For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.6Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. 7Therefore do not be partakers with them; 8for you were formerly darkness, but now you are Light in the Lord; walk as children of Light 9(for the fruit of the Light consists in all goodness and righteousness and truth), 10trying to learn what is pleasing to the Lord. 11Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them

Is Halloween pleasing to the Lord? (check it's historical roots – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween), and if not does this scripture, on any level, allow for a “saints” participation in it?

Thank you for those Scriptures. We know were it originated. In Babylon. It is not good fruit, is it.!!!
Irene

Nope. It's not.

October 15, 2009 at 4:09 am#150485

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I offer this scripture and a double-barrelled question.

If Paul could eat meat offered to idols at a pagan feast, then we can pass out candy to youngsters on “halloween.”

Paul said that nothing is unpure of itself. All things are purified by the pure in heart. “To the pure all things are [made] pure.”

The pagan origins don't matter. Paul said that he could attend a pagan feast and eat meat offered to idols. How could passing out candy on halloween be worse then what Paul would do at a pagan feast? Just as Christians had Judaizers back then so we have them today. They are not content unless they take away our liberty in Christ and bind us to the rule of their consciences.

thinker

Thinker, buddy, you didn't answer my questions.

1. Is Halloween pleasing to the Lord?
2. Does this scripture (Eph 5:1-11), on any level, allow for a “saints” participation in it?

October 15, 2009 at 4:11 am#150486

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I offer this scripture and a double-barrelled question.

Thank you for those Scriptures. We know were it originated. In Babylon. It is not good fruit, is it.!!!
Irene

Nope. It's not.

Boy I can't wait for Christ-Mass nears, think this discussion is good, wait till the biggy. :cool:

October 15, 2009 at 4:13 am#150487

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Quote (Is 1:18 @ Oct. 14 2009,21:09)

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I offer this scripture and a double-barrelled question.

If Paul could eat meat offered to idols at a pagan feast, then we can pass out candy to youngsters on “halloween.”

Paul said that nothing is unpure of itself. All things are purified by the pure in heart. “To the pure all things are [made] pure.”

thinker

Thinker, buddy, you didn't answer my questions.

1. Is Halloween pleasing to the Lord?
2. Does this scripture (Eph 5:1-11), on any level, allow for a “saints” participation in it?

Thinker,
Me thinks you know the truth, but wish to argue it.

October 15, 2009 at 4:15 am#150488

https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….ristmas

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Boy I can't wait for Christ-Mass nears, think this discussion is good, wait till the biggy.

Yes, it is a much bigger discussion:

October 15, 2009 at 4:16 am#150489

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I wonder how non christians look at christians who dress up like witches and demons, paint and hide fertility eggs, tell stories about little fat men and their elves flying around with reindeer power, etc.

Kinda creepy, makes me want to be a christian.

October 15, 2009 at 4:19 am#150490

https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….ristmas

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Boy I can't wait for Christ-Mass nears, think this discussion is good, wait till the biggy.

Yes, it is a much bigger discussion:

Wow 36 pages long! :cool:

October 15, 2009 at 4:20 am#150491

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“Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven, for the heathen are dismayed by them. For the customs of the people are vain” (Jer. 10:2, 3)

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Kinda creepy, makes me want to be a christian.

Because 98% of people who claim to be Christian, do celebrate these things, non-Christians are used to it. When you don't celebrate these things, is when people look at you oddly.

October 15, 2009 at 4:27 am#150493

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“Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven, for the heathen are dismayed by them. For the customs of the people are vain” (Jer. 10:2, 3)

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Kinda creepy, makes me want to be a christian.

Because 98% of people who claim to be Christian, do celebrate these things, non-Christians are used to it. When you don't celebrate these things, is when people look at you oddly.

Guess, thats creepier.

October 15, 2009 at 4:41 am#150496

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Jack,
Paul wrote of “impurity” in the very verse I quoted. So evidently there is such a thing as impurity for the christian. Our liberty in Christ is not a licence to sin. I have more to write on this but I have to dash to work.

Blessings

Paul,
I did not mean that the breaking of the commandments is pure. Is this what you are thinking? Anything that causes harm to someone is wrong such as adultery, false witness and stealing. I am given to common sense interpretation.

Adultery, false witness and stealing can never be purified. But things like attending a pagan feast and passing out candy on halloween can be purified by the one who is pure in heart. Paul said, “to the pure all things are [made] pure.”

thinker

I guess I interpreted your previous comments around this to mean that in your view everything is pure to the believer. Of course that's pretty easy to bebunk scripturally. If it were Paul would never have cause to mention the word impure in the context of the saint's conduct….which he did, by chance, in the Ephesians 5 passage I quoted. It has got me thinking though, according to your theory we can pretty much indulge in any occultic while causing no offense to the One True God (Who apparently despises this type of activity if the whole OT and a lot of the NT is to be considered). Several times in both Testaments we are cautioned to avoid this. So it makes no sense to me on that level. Moreover, in Revelation (which predominantly is future tense) we read of those who worship the beast and the false prophet get the mark of the beast etc etc who suffer a very unpleasant consequence. So to me, yes, these cautions still apply to this day, we cannot dispensationalise them away. Halloween is overty ungodly is it's origin, it may have become quite commercial and ostensibly harmless now but then again the devil disguises himself as an angel of light (2 Cor 11:14), what may look attractive on the surface is in reality deadly poison.

October 15, 2009 at 4:43 am#150497

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Barukh attah Adonai eloheinu melekh ha-olam, asher natan lanu Mashiach Yeshua ve-hadiberot shel ha-berit chadashah.

Oh ya, well:
Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur.

October 15, 2009 at 4:50 am#150499

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Ephesians 5:1-3
3But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints;

Oh, come off it Paul! Do you realize that what you are saying would ban you from life as we know it! Everything is “impure”. Is there any one thing, or any one person who is not?

We are to be holy as he is holy……sure but we also have to live here on earth, and in these human bodies who register only human nature.

What you're proposing – do you really think it's possible? And if so, celebrating Halloween (on whatever level) would be the very least of anyone's concerns, I dare say!

Hey, glad you're back! :;):
Love,
Mandy

Before you get too caried away in your rebuke try to understand the application of my comments. Several times Thinker made what seemed to me a comment that conveyed this sentiment – every thing is pure the the christian, there is nothing we can do that is impure. I posted a scripture where Paul mentioned impurity in the context of christian conduct – which of course serves to invalidate this assertion. Paul would not mention impurity at all in his writing to the saints if if were not possible to commit it, right?…..

Hope this clears that misunderstanding up.

A question for you not3, given it's blatant Pagan roots and the fact that you have an easy out if you chose to take it, is your involvement in Halloween pleasing to the Lord? If not why do it?

October 15, 2009 at 4:55 am#150502

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Barukh attah Adonai eloheinu melekh ha-olam, asher natan lanu Mashiach Yeshua ve-hadiberot shel ha-berit chadashah.

Oh ya, well:
Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur.

Yes but in Hebrew it sounds poetic, does it not?

October 15, 2009 at 4:57 am#150504

NickHassan

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Festina lente

October 15, 2009 at 4:57 am#150505

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Barukh attah Adonai eloheinu melekh ha-olam, asher natan lanu Mashiach Yeshua ve-hadiberot shel ha-berit chadashah.

Oh ya, well:
Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur.

Yes but in Hebrew it sounds poetic, does it not?

I love your response in view of what I said in Latin:

“Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur.”

It means:
“That which is said in Latin sounds profound.”

October 15, 2009 at 4:57 am#150506

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Quote (Is 1:18 @ Oct. 14 2009,21:50)

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Ephesians 5:1-3
3But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints;

Oh, come off it Paul! Do you realize that what you are saying would ban you from life as we know it! Everything is “impure”. Is there any one thing, or any one person who is not?

We are to be holy as he is holy……sure but we also have to live here on earth, and in these human bodies who register only human nature.

What you're proposing – do you really think it's possible? And if so, celebrating Halloween (on whatever level) would be the very least of anyone's concerns, I dare say!

Hey, glad you're back! :;):
Love,
Mandy

Hope this clears that misunderstanding up.

A question for you not3, given it's blatant Pagan roots and the fact that you have an easy out if you chose to take it, is your involvement in Halloween pleasing to the Lord? If not why do it?

Seemed pretty cleat to me. :cool:

October 15, 2009 at 5:00 am#150507