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Quote (942767 @ Oct. 14 2009,18:06) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 15 2009,09:43) Mark 7:15
What then of these words of Jesus?
There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
This texts simply points to a higher level of defilement – the human mind. Filth on the clothes and the skin are not as bad as filth in the stomach. Still worse is the filth in the mind. And worst of all is the unclean Spirit of Satan who roams this world and at the least excuse will pollute the unsuspecting human soul. Unclean animals and birds (snakes, dogs, vultures, bats etc.) symbolise Satan and his unbelieving followers; just as clean animals and birds (the ram, the lamb, the kid, the deer and the dove) symbolise Yahweh, His Son and the Holy Ghost. Knowingly eating unclean foods is insulting the Most High. It is not only blatant disobedience, but is tantamount to saying: 'I am going to partake of unclean meats even though I know they symbolise Satan and his filthy lifestyle.' This is an extremely dangerous stand to take.Acts 10:9-16
Another misunderstood passage is found in the book of Acts. I quote:
Acts 10: 9: On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:
10: And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
11: And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
12: Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
13: And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
14: But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
15: And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
16: This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.In this experience the Almighty is teaching Peter, and all who later read the chapter, a great spiritual truth: that true believers in the Most High – of whatever nation – who were previously regarded as 'unclean dogs,' are now totally acceptable to Yahweh. Their previous unbelief had made them unclean: they were then likened unto dogs, pigs and snakes in the Almighty's eyes. But, because of their new-found faith in the Messiah they are now clean. They are now clean and wholly acceptable to the Most High and should also be accepted and welcomed by every strict Jew. Believing Gentiles, in other words, are now part of Yahweh's flock. They are His sheep. They are no longer to be regarded as dogs, swine or other unclean beasts. Because of their faith in Yeshua (Jesus) they have been cleansed through and through by God Himself and are now clean and holy. This symbolic drama on the rooftop was given to teach the Apostle Peter and subsequent generations of Christians that faith in Yeshua the Messiah purifies the vilest sinner, no matter from what nation he/she comes.
This passage is not to be taken as a lifting of the divine ban against eating unclean animals. Reptiles, dogs, cats, mice, swine, rabbits, shell fish, lobsters, prawns etc. are still unclean for human consumption. They should not be eaten. These unclean creatures symbolise unbelief: and unbelief pollutes a person, it makes him/her unclean. I repeat, unclean creatures are still unclean: just as unbelievers remain unbelievers until such time as genuine faith in God purges their uncleanness.Because of these facts unclean meats should not be eaten;
especially in view of the coming Day of Judgement.
Remember the divine warning:“They that sanctify themselves and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord.”
Hi CT:Re: Mark 7:15. My understanding is that Jesus was simply speaking of eating with unwashen hands.
Quote Mar 7:5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands But he did not change the dietary laws. Eating those things that God has proclaimed to be unclean is a health issue, and since our bodies are the temple of God, it is our duty to take care of the temple, and if we don't, I believe that is is where we fall into sin by eating those things which God has declared to be unclean.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyWe fall into sin by calling those things unclean which God has called clean!
As far as health. That is debatable, tell it to my 95 year old Grandmother that lived on sausage and gravy and fat back and greesy foods all her life!
WJ
Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 14 2009,14:48) Quote (Gene @ Oct. 15 2009,08:09) Adults participate in it to exorcise fanaticism and unreal imaginations of all types that has nothing to do with the reality of who and what they are. When i was a child only childern participated in Halloween , but the childern grow up and now they still do it as adults even more then they did when they were childern.
What the heck is wrong with adults escaping from reality for while to have fun? Haven't you ever been lost in a fabulous book that you couldn't put down? That's an “escape” of sorts; like a movie? or a play? Whatever floats your boat? Good grief.Remember guys, we're supposed to be making the gospel ATTRACTIVE and it's supposed to be GOOD NEWS! Not all these rules and judgements.
Jesus is alright with me. He said everything hangs on this: love God and love one another.
I think we fill in the rest, and sometimes we fill in the rest with a bunch of fear-based-garbage!
Love,
MandyQuote Adults participate in it to exorcise fanaticism and unreal imaginations of all types that has nothing to do with the reality of who and what they are. When i was a child only childern participated in Halloween , but the childern grow up and now they still do it as adults even more then they did when they were childern. exorcise fanaticism and unreal imaginations – A great way to worship God and set an example, first you become part of it, then eventually it becomes part of you. Great be the day when none can escape.
Quote What the heck is wrong with adults escaping from reality for while to have fun? Haven't you ever been lost in a fabulous book that you couldn't put down? That's an “escape” of sorts; like a movie? or a play? Whatever floats your boat? Good grief. Why not? Its just to have fun. Have a little dope, its a little fun, watch a little porno, its a little fun, have a little drink, its to have fun, tell a little lie, its a little fun.
“What ever floats your boat” pretty revealing don't you think.
Quote Remember guys, we're supposed to be making the gospel ATTRACTIVE and it's supposed to be GOOD NEWS! Not all these rules and judgements. Hmmn?, Go out and preach the attractive gospel? The attractive gospels saves, the attractive gospel shows the righteous way with no boring, unattractive, burdening rules, regulations, or judgements. Why aren't you an athiest?
Quote Jesus is alright with me. He said everything hangs on this: love God and love one another. Ya, but are you alright with him? The Old Testament has 929 chapters, 260 chapters in the New Testament, written over a 1500 year span (from 1400 B.C to A.D. 100), over 40 generations, over 40 authors from many walks of life (i.e. – kings, peasants, philosophers, fishermen, poets, statesmen, scholars), in different places (i.e. – wilderness, dungeon, palaces), at different times (i.e. – war, peace), in different moods (i.e. – heights of joy, depths of despair), on three continents (Asia, Africa, and Europe), in three languages (Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek) and all that means is “love God and love one another”.
Quote I think we fill in the rest, and sometimes we fill in the rest with a bunch of fear-based-garbage! So you like only the good parts?
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 14 2009,15:12) Quote (942767 @ Oct. 14 2009,18:06) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 15 2009,09:43) Mark 7:15
What then of these words of Jesus?
There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
This texts simply points to a higher level of defilement – the human mind. Filth on the clothes and the skin are not as bad as filth in the stomach. Still worse is the filth in the mind. And worst of all is the unclean Spirit of Satan who roams this world and at the least excuse will pollute the unsuspecting human soul. Unclean animals and birds (snakes, dogs, vultures, bats etc.) symbolise Satan and his unbelieving followers; just as clean animals and birds (the ram, the lamb, the kid, the deer and the dove) symbolise Yahweh, His Son and the Holy Ghost. Knowingly eating unclean foods is insulting the Most High. It is not only blatant disobedience, but is tantamount to saying: 'I am going to partake of unclean meats even though I know they symbolise Satan and his filthy lifestyle.' This is an extremely dangerous stand to take.Acts 10:9-16
Another misunderstood passage is found in the book of Acts. I quote:
Acts 10: 9: On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:
10: And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
11: And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
12: Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
13: And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
14: But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
15: And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
16: This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.In this experience the Almighty is teaching Peter, and all who later read the chapter, a great spiritual truth: that true believers in the Most High – of whatever nation – who were previously regarded as 'unclean dogs,' are now totally acceptable to Yahweh. Their previous unbelief had made them unclean: they were then likened unto dogs, pigs and snakes in the Almighty's eyes. But, because of their new-found faith in the Messiah they are now clean. They are now clean and wholly acceptable to the Most High and should also be accepted and welcomed by every strict Jew. Believing Gentiles, in other words, are now part of Yahweh's flock. They are His sheep. They are no longer to be regarded as dogs, swine or other unclean beasts. Because of their faith in Yeshua (Jesus) they have been cleansed through and through by God Himself and are now clean and holy. This symbolic drama on the rooftop was given to teach the Apostle Peter and subsequent generations of Christians that faith in Yeshua the Messiah purifies the vilest sinner, no matter from what nation he/she comes.
This passage is not to be taken as a lifting of the divine ban against eating unclean animals. Reptiles, dogs, cats, mice, swine, rabbits, shell fish, lobsters, prawns etc. are still unclean for human consumption. They should not be eaten. These unclean creatures symbolise unbelief: and unbelief pollutes a person, it makes him/her unclean. I repeat, unclean creatures are still unclean: just as unbelievers remain unbelievers until such time as genuine faith in God purges their uncleanness.Because of these facts unclean meats should not be eaten;
especially in view of the coming Day of Judgement.
Remember the divine warning:“They that sanctify themselves and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord.”
Hi CT:Re: Mark 7:15. My understanding is that Jesus was simply speaking of eating with unwashen hands.
Quote Mar 7:5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands But he did not change the dietary laws. Eating those things that God has proclaimed to be unclean is a health issue, and since our bodies are the temple of God, it is our duty to take care of the temple, and if we don't, I believe that is is where we fall into sin by eating those things which God has declared to be unclean.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyWe fall into sin by calling those things unclean which God has called clean!
As far as health. That is debatable, tell it to my 95 year old Grandmother that lived on sausage and gravy and fat back and greesy foods all her life!
WJ
So she dies eating unclean foods at a ripe old age, that makes it good?Quote (942767 @ Oct. 14 2009,15:06) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 15 2009,09:43) Mark 7:15
What then of these words of Jesus?
There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
This texts simply points to a higher level of defilement – the human mind. Filth on the clothes and the skin are not as bad as filth in the stomach. Still worse is the filth in the mind. And worst of all is the unclean Spirit of Satan who roams this world and at the least excuse will pollute the unsuspecting human soul. Unclean animals and birds (snakes, dogs, vultures, bats etc.) symbolise Satan and his unbelieving followers; just as clean animals and birds (the ram, the lamb, the kid, the deer and the dove) symbolise Yahweh, His Son and the Holy Ghost. Knowingly eating unclean foods is insulting the Most High. It is not only blatant disobedience, but is tantamount to saying: 'I am going to partake of unclean meats even though I know they symbolise Satan and his filthy lifestyle.' This is an extremely dangerous stand to take.Acts 10:9-16
Another misunderstood passage is found in the book of Acts. I quote:
Acts 10: 9: On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:
10: And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
11: And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
12: Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
13: And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
14: But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
15: And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
16: This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.In this experience the Almighty is teaching Peter, and all who later read the chapter, a great spiritual truth: that true believers in the Most High – of whatever nation – who were previously regarded as 'unclean dogs,' are now totally acceptable to Yahweh. Their previous unbelief had made them unclean: they were then likened unto dogs, pigs and snakes in the Almighty's eyes. But, because of their new-found faith in the Messiah they are now clean. They are now clean and wholly acceptable to the Most High and should also be accepted and welcomed by every strict Jew. Believing Gentiles, in other words, are now part of Yahweh's flock. They are His sheep. They are no longer to be regarded as dogs, swine or other unclean beasts. Because of their faith in Yeshua (Jesus) they have been cleansed through and through by God Himself and are now clean and holy. This symbolic drama on the rooftop was given to teach the Apostle Peter and subsequent generations of Christians that faith in Yeshua the Messiah purifies the vilest sinner, no matter from what nation he/she comes.
This passage is not to be taken as a lifting of the divine ban against eating unclean animals. Reptiles, dogs, cats, mice, swine, rabbits, shell fish, lobsters, prawns etc. are still unclean for human consumption. They should not be eaten. These unclean creatures symbolise unbelief: and unbelief pollutes a person, it makes him/her unclean. I repeat, unclean creatures are still unclean: just as unbelievers remain unbelievers until such time as genuine faith in God purges their uncleanness.Because of these facts unclean meats should not be eaten;
especially in view of the coming Day of Judgement.
Remember the divine warning:“They that sanctify themselves and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord.”
Hi CT:Re: Mark 7:15. My understanding is that Jesus was simply speaking of eating with unwashen hands.
Quote Mar 7:5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands But he did not change the dietary laws. Eating those things that God has proclaimed to be unclean is a health issue, and since our bodies are the temple of God, it is our duty to take care of the temple, and if we don't, I believe that is is where we fall into sin by eating those things which God has declared to be unclean.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Agreed, but many love using that verse to say they can consume there hearts desires, clean or unclean, showing how little they know.Marty said;
Quote Eating those things that God has proclaimed to be unclean is a health issue, and since our bodies are the temple of God, it is our duty to take care of the temple, and if we don't, I believe that is is where we fall into sin by eating those things which God has declared to be unclean. Marty,
The eating of unclean foods was not a health issue for the foods were unclean by God's pronouncement and not by anything inherent in the food. The clean foods typified Christ. It was about the Gospel.thinker
Constitutionalist said:
Quote Agreed, but many love using that verse to say they can consume there hearts desires, clean or unclean, showing how little they know. Something was clean or unclean because God called it such and not because it was inherently such. The cleanness or uncleanness was CEREMONIAL ALONE. Acts 10 says that God had cleansed all animals. What, did God mystically make these animals healthy to eat? Come on!
The eating of ceremonially clean animals in the old testament typified the gospel. You lack both knowledge and common sense.
thinker
Hi C
Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 14 2009,18:29) So she dies eating unclean foods at a ripe old age, that makes it good?
To you it is unclean. Under the New Covenant there is no such commandment!WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 15 2009,10:12) Quote (942767 @ Oct. 14 2009,18:06) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 15 2009,09:43) Mark 7:15
What then of these words of Jesus?
There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
This texts simply points to a higher level of defilement – the human mind. Filth on the clothes and the skin are not as bad as filth in the stomach. Still worse is the filth in the mind. And worst of all is the unclean Spirit of Satan who roams this world and at the least excuse will pollute the unsuspecting human soul. Unclean animals and birds (snakes, dogs, vultures, bats etc.) symbolise Satan and his unbelieving followers; just as clean animals and birds (the ram, the lamb, the kid, the deer and the dove) symbolise Yahweh, His Son and the Holy Ghost. Knowingly eating unclean foods is insulting the Most High. It is not only blatant disobedience, but is tantamount to saying: 'I am going to partake of unclean meats even though I know they symbolise Satan and his filthy lifestyle.' This is an extremely dangerous stand to take.Acts 10:9-16
Another misunderstood passage is found in the book of Acts. I quote:
Acts 10: 9: On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:
10: And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
11: And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
12: Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
13: And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
14: But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
15: And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
16: This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.In this experience the Almighty is teaching Peter, and all who later read the chapter, a great spiritual truth: that true believers in the Most High – of whatever nation – who were previously regarded as 'unclean dogs,' are now totally acceptable to Yahweh. Their previous unbelief had made them unclean: they were then likened unto dogs, pigs and snakes in the Almighty's eyes. But, because of their new-found faith in the Messiah they are now clean. They are now clean and wholly acceptable to the Most High and should also be accepted and welcomed by every strict Jew. Believing Gentiles, in other words, are now part of Yahweh's flock. They are His sheep. They are no longer to be regarded as dogs, swine or other unclean beasts. Because of their faith in Yeshua (Jesus) they have been cleansed through and through by God Himself and are now clean and holy. This symbolic drama on the rooftop was given to teach the Apostle Peter and subsequent generations of Christians that faith in Yeshua the Messiah purifies the vilest sinner, no matter from what nation he/she comes.
This passage is not to be taken as a lifting of the divine ban against eating unclean animals. Reptiles, dogs, cats, mice, swine, rabbits, shell fish, lobsters, prawns etc. are still unclean for human consumption. They should not be eaten. These unclean creatures symbolise unbelief: and unbelief pollutes a person, it makes him/her unclean. I repeat, unclean creatures are still unclean: just as unbelievers remain unbelievers until such time as genuine faith in God purges their uncleanness.Because of these facts unclean meats should not be eaten;
especially in view of the coming Day of Judgement.
Remember the divine warning:“They that sanctify themselves and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord.”
Hi CT:Re: Mark 7:15. My understanding is that Jesus was simply speaking of eating with unwashen hands.
Quote Mar 7:5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands But he did not change the dietary laws. Eating those things that God has proclaimed to be unclean is a health issue, and since our bodies are the temple of God, it is our duty to take care of the temple, and if we don't, I believe that is is where we fall into sin by eating those things which God has declared to be unclean.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyWe fall into sin by calling those things unclean which God has called clean!
As far as health. That is debatable, tell it to my 95 year old Grandmother that lived on sausage and gravy and fat back and greesy foods all her life!
WJ
Hi WJ:I hope that your grandmother lives forever and stays in good health, but nevertheless, eating like that certainly is not good for the body. I believe that any MD would confirm this.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ Oct. 14 2009,19:04) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 15 2009,10:12) Quote (942767 @ Oct. 14 2009,18:06) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 15 2009,09:43) Mark 7:15
What then of these words of Jesus?
There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
This texts simply points to a higher level of defilement – the human mind. Filth on the clothes and the skin are not as bad as filth in the stomach. Still worse is the filth in the mind. And worst of all is the unclean Spirit of Satan who roams this world and at the least excuse will pollute the unsuspecting human soul. Unclean animals and birds (snakes, dogs, vultures, bats etc.) symbolise Satan and his unbelieving followers; just as clean animals and birds (the ram, the lamb, the kid, the deer and the dove) symbolise Yahweh, His Son and the Holy Ghost. Knowingly eating unclean foods is insulting the Most High. It is not only blatant disobedience, but is tantamount to saying: 'I am going to partake of unclean meats even though I know they symbolise Satan and his filthy lifestyle.' This is an extremely dangerous stand to take.Acts 10:9-16
Another misunderstood passage is found in the book of Acts. I quote:
Acts 10: 9: On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:
10: And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
11: And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
12: Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
13: And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
14: But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
15: And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
16: This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.In this experience the Almighty is teaching Peter, and all who later read the chapter, a great spiritual truth: that true believers in the Most High – of whatever nation – who were previously regarded as 'unclean dogs,' are now totally acceptable to Yahweh. Their previous unbelief had made them unclean: they were then likened unto dogs, pigs and snakes in the Almighty's eyes. But, because of their new-found faith in the Messiah they are now clean. They are now clean and wholly acceptable to the Most High and should also be accepted and welcomed by every strict Jew. Believing Gentiles, in other words, are now part of Yahweh's flock. They are His sheep. They are no longer to be regarded as dogs, swine or other unclean beasts. Because of their faith in Yeshua (Jesus) they have been cleansed through and through by God Himself and are now clean and holy. This symbolic drama on the rooftop was given to teach the Apostle Peter and subsequent generations of Christians that faith in Yeshua the Messiah purifies the vilest sinner, no matter from what nation he/she comes.
This passage is not to be taken as a lifting of the divine ban against eating unclean animals. Reptiles, dogs, cats, mice, swine, rabbits, shell fish, lobsters, prawns etc. are still unclean for human consumption. They should not be eaten. These unclean creatures symbolise unbelief: and unbelief pollutes a person, it makes him/her unclean. I repeat, unclean creatures are still unclean: just as unbelievers remain unbelievers until such time as genuine faith in God purges their uncleanness.Because of these facts unclean meats should not be eaten;
especially in view of the coming Day of Judgement.
Remember the divine warning:“They that sanctify themselves and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord.”
Hi CT:Re: Mark 7:15. My understanding is that Jesus was simply speaking of eating with unwashen hands.
Quote Mar 7:5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands But he did not change the dietary laws. Eating those things that God has proclaimed to be unclean is a health issue, and since our bodies are the temple of God, it is our duty to take care of the temple, and if we don't, I believe that is is where we fall into sin by eating those things which God has declared to be unclean.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyWe fall into sin by calling those things unclean which God has called clean!
As far as health. That is debatable, tell it to my 95 year old Grandmother that lived on sausage and gravy and fat back and greesy foods all her life!
WJ
Hi WJ:I hope that your grandmother lives forever and stays in good health, but nevertheless, eating like that certainly is not good for the body. I believe that any MD would confirm this.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Hi MartyI am not saying that eating bad foods excessively can't be bad, but there is something to be said about those who have not had any problems.
I think most of the foods my Grandmother ate were not processed. Therein may lie the problem, Man injecting chemicals into our food is what is bad. But then what would it leave us to eat that is good?
Also I am saying that there is no New Covenant law for not eating certain foods!
But eating a big mac or even 10 big macs will have no ill effects on anyone. We can walk in divine health by faith!
WJ
Quote For humankind, the diet after the fall remained vegetarian.
Really… “Take the ram for the ordination and cook the meat in a sacred place. 32 At the entrance to the Tent of Meeting, Aaron and his sons are to eat the meat of the ram and the bread that is in the basket.This is what I meant when I stated that some “add” to scripture by claiming “God's rule” which in fact is “their rule”.
My opinion – Wm
Quote (seekingtruth @ Oct. 14 2009,20:20) Quote For humankind, the diet after the fall remained vegetarian.
Really… “Take the ram for the ordination and cook the meat in a sacred place. 32 At the entrance to the Tent of Meeting, Aaron and his sons are to eat the meat of the ram and the bread that is in the basket.This is what I meant when I stated that some “add” to scripture by claiming “God's rule” which in fact is “their rule”.
My opinion – Wm
Hi SeekingGood point!
WJ
Halloween: Is it wrong to celebrate?
First of all, understand that this is an American custom and there is no direct reference in the Bible about it. However, there are Biblical principles that bear directly upon it. Perhaps the best way that one can be informed about how Halloween relates to Bible teachings is to relate the history of it and then point to the end-time prophecies and what this celebration is leading up to.Unlike the familiar observance of All Souls, Halloween traditions have never been connected with Christian religious celebrations of any kind. Although the name is taken from a great Christian feast (All Hallows' Eve), it has nothing in common with the Feast of All Saints, and is instead, a tradition of pre-Christian times that has retained its original character in form and meaning.
Halloween customs are traced back to the ancient Druids. Halloween fires are kindled in many places even now, especially in Wales and Scotland.
Another, and more important, tradition is the Druidic belief that during the night of November 1, demons, witches, and evil spirits roamed the earth in wild and furious romping of joy to greet the arrival of “their season” – the long nights and early dark of the winter months. They had their fun with poor mortals that night, frightening, harming them, and playing all kinds of mean tricks. The only way, it seemed, for scared humans to escape the persecution of the demons was to offer them things they liked, especially dainty food and sweets. Or, in order to escape the fury of these horrible creatures, a human could disguise himself as one of them and join in their roaming. In this way they would take him for one of their own and he would not be bothered. That is what people did in ancient times, and it is in this very form the custom has come down to us, practically unaltered, as our familiar Halloween celebration.
During the Roman empire there was the custom of eating or giving away fruit, especially apples, on Halloween. It spread to neighboring countries; to Ireland and Scotland from Britain, and to the Slavic countries from Austria. It is probably based upon a celebration of the Roman goddess Pomona, to whom gardens and orchards were dedicated. Since the annual Feast of Pomona was held on November 1, the relics of that observance became part of our Halloween celebration, for instance the familiar tradition of “dunking” for apples.
In the book of Revelation you will find some prophecies relating to end-time events. They depict that Satan and his angels are going to lead out in a massive master delusion of people shortly before probation closes. It is based on the original lie that Satan told Adam and Eve when they sinned – “you will not die.” With many church denominations believing and teaching the non-Biblical idea that as soon as a person dies they go to heaven, this too fits right into the ghosts and goblins idea so prevalent at Halloween. For those who have lived a few decades, it is not difficult to think back some years and observe how rapidly Halloween is escalating in the public attention. This all fits into Satan's end-time masterful deception and to the teachings of spiritism. It is basically for these reasons that thinking Christians who are intent on functioning as Christ would, shy away from any involvement regarding Halloween. They go a step farther even, they also try to shield their children from involvement.
In case you are a parent, here is something to think about also. It is best if parents do not pass by the holidays without notice so far as their children are concerned. On these days when there is danger that children may be exposed to various evil influences and get excited about wrong things, parents should plan alternative fun activities for the children and youth. Let them know that you are seeking to bring happiness through other activities. And this is for good reason.
Children become dissatisfied if everyone about them is celebrating a special event and they are not permitted to have any part in it. This gang spirit manifests itself in various ways. They want to do what others are doing. Just let a few of the neighboring children talk about, plan for, and engage in Halloween stunts, then the rest will feel that they too must have a part in the “fun”. Now days, with the commercialism of everything connected with Halloween, all children know about it weeks in advance.
Halloween is a western hemisphere celebration. In foreign countries, the things that are tolerated here would be unwelcome.
In communities where the young folk are celebrating the scary ideas and costuming up with masks and weird attire, some parents keep their children at home. Some will plan a party for a group of children. Others plan a special trip taking the family away from the home surroundings. And then there are those who attempt to conceal the fact that they are home and sit in darkness watching those who pass by.
A diversion from the usual is to organize the children to collect food for Thanksgiving baskets to be distributed a few weeks in the future. When this is done, they often play some games and have light refreshments before returning to their homes. Such evenings are remembered as joyous occasions and not shameful.
But what about those who come to your door? To give them apples at today's prices is probably not wise. Some find no problem in dispersing candy, while others would not think of it.
Probably the best course of action is to plan for the evening long in advance. Make plans for the family to meet Bible standards and principles that will prove to be a blessing and that will help each member, while insuring that tricks and pranks will not produce regrets for either the present or the future.
Quote (thethinker @ Oct. 14 2009,15:54) Constitutionalist said: Quote Agreed, but many love using that verse to say they can consume there hearts desires, clean or unclean, showing how little they know. Something was clean or unclean because God called it such and not because it was inherently such. The cleanness or uncleanness was CEREMONIAL ALONE. Acts 10 says that God had cleansed all animals. What, did God mystically make these animals healthy to eat? Come on!
The eating of ceremonially clean animals in the old testament typified the gospel. You lack both knowledge and common sense.
thinker
Foolish little boy, you really should read the whole chapter.The Holy Spirit gives the interpretation of Peters dream!
Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate, And called, and asked whether Simon, which was surnamed Peter, were lodged there. While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee. Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: for I have sent them. . . And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.
Had absolutly nothing to do with food.
Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 14 2009,18:03) Quote (thethinker @ Oct. 14 2009,15:54) Constitutionalist said: Quote Agreed, but many love using that verse to say they can consume there hearts desires, clean or unclean, showing how little they know. Something was clean or unclean because God called it such and not because it was inherently such. The cleanness or uncleanness was CEREMONIAL ALONE. Acts 10 says that God had cleansed all animals. What, did God mystically make these animals healthy to eat? Come on!
The eating of ceremonially clean animals in the old testament typified the gospel. You lack both knowledge and common sense.
thinker
Foolish little boy, you really should read the whole chapter.The Holy Spirit gives the interpretation of Peters dream!
Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate, And called, and asked whether Simon, which was surnamed Peter, were lodged there. While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee. Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: for I have sent them. . . And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.
Had absolutly nothing to do with food.
You should beware od SUNday school teachings.Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 15 2009,12:53) Halloween: Is it wrong to celebrate?
First of all, understand that this is an American custom and there is no direct reference in the Bible about it. However, there are Biblical principles that bear directly upon it. Perhaps the best way that one can be informed about how Halloween relates to Bible teachings is to relate the history of it and then point to the end-time prophecies and what this celebration is leading up to.Unlike the familiar observance of All Souls, Halloween traditions have never been connected with Christian religious celebrations of any kind. Although the name is taken from a great Christian feast (All Hallows' Eve), it has nothing in common with the Feast of All Saints, and is instead, a tradition of pre-Christian times that has retained its original character in form and meaning.
Halloween customs are traced back to the ancient Druids. Halloween fires are kindled in many places even now, especially in Wales and Scotland.
Another, and more important, tradition is the Druidic belief that during the night of November 1, demons, witches, and evil spirits roamed the earth in wild and furious romping of joy to greet the arrival of “their season” – the long nights and early dark of the winter months. They had their fun with poor mortals that night, frightening, harming them, and playing all kinds of mean tricks. The only way, it seemed, for scared humans to escape the persecution of the demons was to offer them things they liked, especially dainty food and sweets. Or, in order to escape the fury of these horrible creatures, a human could disguise himself as one of them and join in their roaming. In this way they would take him for one of their own and he would not be bothered. That is what people did in ancient times, and it is in this very form the custom has come down to us, practically unaltered, as our familiar Halloween celebration.
During the Roman empire there was the custom of eating or giving away fruit, especially apples, on Halloween. It spread to neighboring countries; to Ireland and Scotland from Britain, and to the Slavic countries from Austria. It is probably based upon a celebration of the Roman goddess Pomona, to whom gardens and orchards were dedicated. Since the annual Feast of Pomona was held on November 1, the relics of that observance became part of our Halloween celebration, for instance the familiar tradition of “dunking” for apples.
In the book of Revelation you will find some prophecies relating to end-time events. They depict that Satan and his angels are going to lead out in a massive master delusion of people shortly before probation closes. It is based on the original lie that Satan told Adam and Eve when they sinned – “you will not die.” With many church denominations believing and teaching the non-Biblical idea that as soon as a person dies they go to heaven, this too fits right into the ghosts and goblins idea so prevalent at Halloween. For those who have lived a few decades, it is not difficult to think back some years and observe how rapidly Halloween is escalating in the public attention. This all fits into Satan's end-time masterful deception and to the teachings of spiritism. It is basically for these reasons that thinking Christians who are intent on functioning as Christ would, shy away from any involvement regarding Halloween. They go a step farther even, they also try to shield their children from involvement.
In case you are a parent, here is something to think about also. It is best if parents do not pass by the holidays without notice so far as their children are concerned. On these days when there is danger that children may be exposed to various evil influences and get excited about wrong things, parents should plan alternative fun activities for the children and youth. Let them know that you are seeking to bring happiness through other activities. And this is for good reason.
Children become dissatisfied if everyone about them is celebrating a special event and they are not permitted to have any part in it. This gang spirit manifests itself in various ways. They want to do what others are doing. Just let a few of the neighboring children talk about, plan for, and engage in Halloween stunts, then the rest will feel that they too must have a part in the “fun”. Now days, with the commercialism of everything connected with Halloween, all children know about it weeks in advance.
Halloween is a western hemisphere celebration. In foreign countries, the things that are tolerated here would be unwelcome.
In communities where the young folk are celebrating the scary ideas and costuming up with masks and weird attire, some parents keep their children at home. Some will plan a party for a group of children. Others plan a special trip taking the family away from the home surroundings. And then there are those who attempt to conceal the fact that they are home and sit in darkness watching those who pass by.
A diversion from the usual is to organize the children to collect food for Thanksgiving baskets to be distributed a few weeks in the future. When this is done, they often play some games and have light refreshments before returning to their homes. Such evenings are remembered as joyous occasions and not shameful.
But what about those who come to your door? To give them apples at today's prices is probably not wise. Some find no problem in dispersing candy, while others would not think of it.
Probably the best course of action is to plan for the evening long in advance. Make plans for the family to meet Bible standards and principles that will prove to be a blessing and that will help each member, while insuring that tricks and pranks will not produce regrets for either the present or the future.
Good Job, we learned something similarly when we belonged to the W.W.Chrch of God, and we had a none-Halloween Party
on that night, with other Church Brethren. Now we live far away from the street and the Trick-Treats don't bother us.
IreneQuote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 14 2009,18:06) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 14 2009,18:03) Quote (thethinker @ Oct. 14 2009,15:54) Constitutionalist said: Quote Agreed, but many love using that verse to say they can consume there hearts desires, clean or unclean, showing how little they know. Something was clean or unclean because God called it such and not because it was inherently such. The cleanness or uncleanness was CEREMONIAL ALONE. Acts 10 says that God had cleansed all animals. What, did God mystically make these animals healthy to eat? Come on!
The eating of ceremonially clean animals in the old testament typified the gospel. You lack both knowledge and common sense.
thinker
Foolish little boy, you really should read the whole chapter.The Holy Spirit gives the interpretation of Peters dream!
Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate, And called, and asked whether Simon, which was surnamed Peter, were lodged there. While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee. Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: for I have sent them. . . And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.
Had absolutly nothing to do with food.
You should beware od SUNday school teachings.
Good thing the Holy Spirit makes up for lack of knowledge ans common sense.Quote (georg @ Oct. 14 2009,18:11) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 15 2009,12:53) Halloween: Is it wrong to celebrate?
First of all, understand that this is an American custom and there is no direct reference in the Bible about it. However, there are Biblical principles that bear directly upon it. Perhaps the best way that one can be informed about how Halloween relates to Bible teachings is to relate the history of it and then point to the end-time prophecies and what this celebration is leading up to.Unlike the familiar observance of All Souls, Halloween traditions have never been connected with Christian religious celebrations of any kind. Although the name is taken from a great Christian feast (All Hallows' Eve), it has nothing in common with the Feast of All Saints, and is instead, a tradition of pre-Christian times that has retained its original character in form and meaning.
Halloween customs are traced back to the ancient Druids. Halloween fires are kindled in many places even now, especially in Wales and Scotland.
Another, and more important, tradition is the Druidic belief that during the night of November 1, demons, witches, and evil spirits roamed the earth in wild and furious romping of joy to greet the arrival of “their season” – the long nights and early dark of the winter months. They had their fun with poor mortals that night, frightening, harming them, and playing all kinds of mean tricks. The only way, it seemed, for scared humans to escape the persecution of the demons was to offer them things they liked, especially dainty food and sweets. Or, in order to escape the fury of these horrible creatures, a human could disguise himself as one of them and join in their roaming. In this way they would take him for one of their own and he would not be bothered. That is what people did in ancient times, and it is in this very form the custom has come down to us, practically unaltered, as our familiar Halloween celebration.
During the Roman empire there was the custom of eating or giving away fruit, especially apples, on Halloween. It spread to neighboring countries; to Ireland and Scotland from Britain, and to the Slavic countries from Austria. It is probably based upon a celebration of the Roman goddess Pomona, to whom gardens and orchards were dedicated. Since the annual Feast of Pomona was held on November 1, the relics of that observance became part of our Halloween celebration, for instance the familiar tradition of “dunking” for apples.
In the book of Revelation you will find some prophecies relating to end-time events. They depict that Satan and his angels are going to lead out in a massive master delusion of people shortly before probation closes. It is based on the original lie that Satan told Adam and Eve when they sinned – “you will not die.” With many church denominations believing and teaching the non-Biblical idea that as soon as a person dies they go to heaven, this too fits right into the ghosts and goblins idea so prevalent at Halloween. For those who have lived a few decades, it is not difficult to think back some years and observe how rapidly Halloween is escalating in the public attention. This all fits into Satan's end-time masterful deception and to the teachings of spiritism. It is basically for these reasons that thinking Christians who are intent on functioning as Christ would, shy away from any involvement regarding Halloween. They go a step farther even, they also try to shield their children from involvement.
In case you are a parent, here is something to think about also. It is best if parents do not pass by the holidays without notice so far as their children are concerned. On these days when there is danger that children may be exposed to various evil influences and get excited about wrong things, parents should plan alternative fun activities for the children and youth. Let them know that you are seeking to bring happiness through other activities. And this is for good reason.
Children become dissatisfied if everyone about them is celebrating a special event and they are not permitted to have any part in it. This gang spirit manifests itself in various ways. They want to do what others are doing. Just let a few of the neighboring children talk about, plan for, and engage in Halloween stunts, then the rest will feel that they too must have a part in the “fun”. Now days, with the commercialism of everything connected with Halloween, all children know about it weeks in advance.
Halloween is a western hemisphere celebration. In foreign countries, the things that are tolerated here would be unwelcome.
In communities where the young folk are celebrating the scary ideas and costuming up with masks and weird attire, some parents keep their children at home. Some will plan a party for a group of children. Others plan a special trip taking the family away from the home surroundings. And then there are those who attempt to conceal the fact that they are home and sit in darkness watching those who pass by.
A diversion from the usual is to organize the children to collect food for Thanksgiving baskets to be distributed a few weeks in the future. When this is done, they often play some games and have light refreshments before returning to their homes. Such evenings are remembered as joyous occasions and not shameful.
But what about those who come to your door? To give them apples at today's prices is probably not wise. Some find no problem in dispersing candy, while others would not think of it.
Probably the best course of action is to plan for the evening long in advance. Make plans for the family to meet Bible standards and principles that will prove to be a blessing and that will help each member, while insuring that tricks and pranks will not produce regrets for either the present or the future.
Good Job, we learned something similarly when we belonged to the W.W.Chrch of God, and we had a none-Halloween Party
on that night, with other Church Brethren. Now we live far away from the street and the Trick-Treats don't bother us.
Irene
Ya I dont live close to others as well, makes it simple.Quote (thethinker @ Oct. 15 2009,10:49) Marty said; Quote Eating those things that God has proclaimed to be unclean is a health issue, and since our bodies are the temple of God, it is our duty to take care of the temple, and if we don't, I believe that is is where we fall into sin by eating those things which God has declared to be unclean. Marty,
The eating of unclean foods was not a health issue for the foods were unclean by God's pronouncement and not by anything inherent in the food. The clean foods typified Christ. It was about the Gospel.thinker
Hi thethinker:Have you ever looked at pork under a microscope? Or have you ever heard of Trichinosis?
I know that many of these unclean animals were scavengers.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 15 2009,13:03) Quote (thethinker @ Oct. 14 2009,15:54) Constitutionalist said: Quote Agreed, but many love using that verse to say they can consume there hearts desires, clean or unclean, showing how little they know. Something was clean or unclean because God called it such and not because it was inherently such. The cleanness or uncleanness was CEREMONIAL ALONE. Acts 10 says that God had cleansed all animals. What, did God mystically make these animals healthy to eat? Come on!
The eating of ceremonially clean animals in the old testament typified the gospel. You lack both knowledge and common sense.
thinker
Foolish little boy, you really should read the whole chapter.The Holy Spirit gives the interpretation of Peters dream!
Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate, And called, and asked whether Simon, which was surnamed Peter, were lodged there. While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee. Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: for I have sent them. . . And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.
Had absolutly nothing to do with food.
Amen. I agree.Quote (942767 @ Oct. 15 2009,13:14) Quote (thethinker @ Oct. 15 2009,10:49) Marty said; Quote Eating those things that God has proclaimed to be unclean is a health issue, and since our bodies are the temple of God, it is our duty to take care of the temple, and if we don't, I believe that is is where we fall into sin by eating those things which God has declared to be unclean. Marty,
The eating of unclean foods was not a health issue for the foods were unclean by God's pronouncement and not by anything inherent in the food. The clean foods typified Christ. It was about the Gospel.thinker
Hi thethinker:Have you ever looked at pork under a microscope? Or have you ever heard of Trichinosis?
I know that many of these unclean animals were scavengers.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty Have you ever been around a Pig-Farm The smell is horrible. That alone turns me off.
Irene
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