Halloween is coming up

[Not3in1]

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 17 2009,06:34)

Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 16 2009,10:05) Quote (david @ Oct. 16 2009,19:57) Just did a quick search online.  Most popular halloween costumes: Dracula Witch Hospital Patient (I'm not sure how this made it into the top 4.  I think it's because it's easy to make.) Devil Another search tells me that “witch” or “vampire” are the most popular classics. Do you not find these odd choices?  Why do you think this is? No, I don't find it odd at all.  Like I've been saying, the media drives a lot of what we do….including the shampoo we buy, the pop we drink, the cars we own, the clothes we wear….why not the costumes we dress up in for Halloween?  Of course, it makes perfect sense.  Like I said, the year a Harry Potter movie came out I must have saw a dozen little boys dressed as the main character.  No suprises there. I think what you're trying to do, David, is drive home the whole “wicked” thing surrounding Halloween.  You use origins as your foundation for the argument.  It is a weak argument.  Weak only because there are many origins listed for Halloween – you choose the dark one (ironically enough), I choose the light one. Also, folks want to clip scriptures that talk about participating with nonbelievers, and participating in wicked things, not pleasing the Lord and so on…..they want to desperately, it seems, apply this to Halloween so that those who enjoy it have to be deemed sinners!!!  But why?  Why not also apply all those snippets of scripture to other things that perhaps THEY enjoy?  Like movies with a little sex slipped in (or lying and grand theft auto)!     Certainly even owning a movie that has one of those themes in it would be participating in the dark side and being partakers with nonbelievers. Everyone better check their DVD libraries and rid it of anything that can be linked to a scripture (things to be avoided).  I dare say that you won't have one DVD left!  And your TV?  Well – toss it.  Unless of course you stick to the Discovery channel.  Riiiight? Love, Mandy It does include all those other things, and my dvd library is up to snuff, thank you.

I'm confused?  Your library contains all that other stuff (meaning adultery and lying?).

Well how about your computer cache?  Nothing embarassing to report there, huh?  Well, that's good bro.  I'm proud of you – press on and add to your self-control all the other fruits of the Spirit.  We can learn from you.

Love,
Mandy

[Not3in1]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 17 2009,05:45)

Hi, Interesting that some folks are not just tolerating these pagan feasts but actively promoting them. Do you think that Jesus will be doing the same?

Jesus probably wouldn't waste his time watching rugby either. Do you enjoy rugby, Nick? It can get pretty dark ya know, what with all the chest-beating pride and lust for power. Oh hey and what about those scantily-clad women who advertise all the beer? Lots of drunkeness watching those games……

[Not3in1]

Quote (georg @ Oct. 17 2009,05:38)

Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 17 2009,05:05) Quote (david @ Oct. 16 2009,19:57) Just did a quick search online.  Most popular halloween costumes: Dracula Witch Hospital Patient (I'm not sure how this made it into the top 4.  I think it's because it's easy to make.) Devil Another search tells me that “witch” or “vampire” are the most popular classics. Do you not find these odd choices?  Why do you think this is? No, I don't find it odd at all.  Like I've been saying, the media drives a lot of what we do….including the shampoo we buy, the pop we drink, the cars we own, the clothes we wear….why not the costumes we dress up in for Halloween?  Of course, it makes perfect sense.  Like I said, the year a Harry Potter movie came out I must have saw a dozen little boys dressed as the main character.  No suprises there. I think what you're trying to do, David, is drive home the whole “wicked” thing surrounding Halloween.  You use origins as your foundation for the argument.  It is a weak argument.  Weak only because there are many origins listed for Halloween – you choose the dark one (ironically enough), I choose the light one. Also, folks want to clip scriptures that talk about participating with nonbelievers, and participating in wicked things, not pleasing the Lord and so on…..they want to desperately, it seems, apply this to Halloween so that those who enjoy it have to be deemed sinners!!!  But why?  Why not also apply all those snippets of scripture to other things that perhaps THEY enjoy?  Like movies with a little sex slipped in (or lying and grand theft auto)!     Certainly even owning a movie that has one of those themes in it would be participating in the dark side and being partakers with nonbelievers. Everyone better check their DVD libraries and rid it of anything that can be linked to a scripture (things to be avoided).  I dare say that you won't have one DVD left!  And your TV?  Well – toss it.  Unless of course you stick to the Discovery channel.  Riiiight? Love, Mandy Mandy! If there is another explanation other what David has, then lets see it.  I am nothing going to believe anything, unless you can prove it. And if it is the Original that David is saying, I do agree with that.  When we lived in our other House inside a Community, when our Children were little, i dressed them up. I  remember all the little devils and witches outfits.  You just want to make it in to what it is not, to make yourself feel better, and I can understand that part. As far as Harry Potter, I dd go and see it either, I wanted no part in it.  If they dress according what te media says, that still makes no difference.  We know what it is, and you do too. Peace And Love Irene

My dear sister, you know that I love you and Georg. But I don't really need to prove anything to you. The information is there for the taking. Halloween's origins are vast – too many to comment on. However I understand those who want to bring in the Christian cleaver and cut out any good there may be just because they disagree. That's okay, you are entitled to how you feel about it.

Love,
Mandy

[NickHassan]

hmmm

[Not3in1]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 17 2009,08:21)

hmmm

I never know what this means? Does it mean you're actually pondering something, or are you being sarcastic?

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 16 2009,13:07)

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 17 2009,06:34) Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 16 2009,10:05) Quote (david @ Oct. 16 2009,19:57) Just did a quick search online.  Most popular halloween costumes: Dracula Witch Hospital Patient (I'm not sure how this made it into the top 4.  I think it's because it's easy to make.) Devil Another search tells me that “witch” or “vampire” are the most popular classics. Do you not find these odd choices?  Why do you think this is? No, I don't find it odd at all.  Like I've been saying, the media drives a lot of what we do….including the shampoo we buy, the pop we drink, the cars we own, the clothes we wear….why not the costumes we dress up in for Halloween?  Of course, it makes perfect sense.  Like I said, the year a Harry Potter movie came out I must have saw a dozen little boys dressed as the main character.  No suprises there. I think what you're trying to do, David, is drive home the whole “wicked” thing surrounding Halloween.  You use origins as your foundation for the argument.  It is a weak argument.  Weak only because there are many origins listed for Halloween – you choose the dark one (ironically enough), I choose the light one. Also, folks want to clip scriptures that talk about participating with nonbelievers, and participating in wicked things, not pleasing the Lord and so on…..they want to desperately, it seems, apply this to Halloween so that those who enjoy it have to be deemed sinners!!!  But why?  Why not also apply all those snippets of scripture to other things that perhaps THEY enjoy?  Like movies with a little sex slipped in (or lying and grand theft auto)!     Certainly even owning a movie that has one of those themes in it would be participating in the dark side and being partakers with nonbelievers. Everyone better check their DVD libraries and rid it of anything that can be linked to a scripture (things to be avoided).  I dare say that you won't have one DVD left!  And your TV?  Well – toss it.  Unless of course you stick to the Discovery channel.  Riiiight? Love, Mandy It does include all those other things, and my dvd library is up to snuff, thank you. I'm confused?  Your library contains all that other stuff (meaning adultery and lying?). Well how about your computer cash?  Nothing embarassing to report there, huh?  Well, that's good bro.  I'm proud of you – press on and add to your self-control all the other fruits of the Spirit.  We can learn from you. Love, Mandy

Sorry to to inform you, don't need porn on my comp, my wife of over thirty years is enough for me.

My statement in “including all those things” is meant to affirm Tv, Sports, Dvd's, Holidays, meaning if it aint rightous it's not needed. And the “DVD” comment is my 'DVD's' dont go against my faith.

[seekingtruth]

Many have quoted scriptures supporting their view that halloween is evil, I'm not here to defend halloween, but I would like to address the use of scriptures.

Exodus states: “Six days you shall labor, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even during the plowing season and harvest you must rest.

But in Luke it states: 14Indignant because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath, the synagogue ruler said to the people, “There are six days for work. So come and be healed on those days, not on the Sabbath.”  15The Lord answered him, “You hypocrites! Doesn't each of you on the Sabbath untie his ox or donkey from the stall and lead it out to give it water?

What had happened? The synagogue ruler was quoting scripture… but he had added to its meaning, and the Lord Himself made it clear, that it was not what was intended.

The ruler felt he was “defending the faith” so I ask you to please take a step back and ask the Father if you are adding to His word. I am doing the same for my part.

I do want to be clear that I wish there was no such thing as halloween, for nearly 30 years I knew nothing about the “roots” of hollween and as I've stated before it's roots for me go no further then something I enjoyed as a kid. Now some are drawing lines to a dark past that for me I'm not sure exist (the lines not the dark past).

I want to commend however it was that gave the tract, but in my opinion it would have been more likely to have been read, if had it been accompanied with a generous supply of candy.

My Opinion- Wm

[Not3in1]

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 17 2009,08:23)

Sorry to to inform you, don't need porn on my comp, my wife of over thirty years is enough for me. My statement in “including all those things” is meant to affirm Tv, Sports, Dvd's, Holidays, meaning if it aint rightous it's not needed. And the “DVD” comment is my 'DVD's' dont go against my faith.

Don't be sorry!! I think thats SUPER COOL! You have my respect, Con.

Most of us are not as strong…..

Love,
Mandy
PS: what are you secrets for staying married for 30 years? Throw us a pearl, bro.

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 16 2009,13:27)

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 17 2009,08:23) Sorry to to inform you, don't need porn on my comp, my wife of over thirty years is enough for me. My statement in “including all those things” is meant to affirm Tv, Sports, Dvd's, Holidays, meaning if it aint rightous it's not needed. And the “DVD” comment is my 'DVD's' dont go against my faith. Don't be sorry!!  I think thats SUPER COOL!  You have my respect, Con. Most of us are not as strong….. Love, Mandy PS:  what are you secrets for staying married for 30 years?  Throw us a pearl, bro.

My wife is “ALWAYS” right!

[georg]

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 17 2009,08:46)

Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 16 2009,13:27) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 17 2009,08:23) Sorry to to inform you, don't need porn on my comp, my wife of over thirty years is enough for me. My statement in “including all those things” is meant to affirm Tv, Sports, Dvd's, Holidays, meaning if it aint rightous it's not needed. And the “DVD” comment is my 'DVD's' dont go against my faith. Don't be sorry!!  I think thats SUPER COOL!  You have my respect, Con. Most of us are not as strong….. Love, Mandy PS:  what are you secrets for staying married for 30 years?  Throw us a pearl, bro.   My wife is “ALWAYS” right!

Good for you! My Husband and I are married 48 years, however He wears the pans in our House, because I am to sick to do much about it. Thank you for the laugh.
Irene

[Catholic Apologist]

This thread was quite something to read.

Thanks all.

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (georg @ Oct. 16 2009,13:53)

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 17 2009,08:46) Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 16 2009,13:27) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 17 2009,08:23) Sorry to to inform you, don't need porn on my comp, my wife of over thirty years is enough for me. My statement in “including all those things” is meant to affirm Tv, Sports, Dvd's, Holidays, meaning if it aint rightous it's not needed. And the “DVD” comment is my 'DVD's' dont go against my faith. Don't be sorry!!  I think thats SUPER COOL!  You have my respect, Con. Most of us are not as strong….. Love, Mandy PS:  what are you secrets for staying married for 30 years?  Throw us a pearl, bro.   My wife is “ALWAYS” right!     Good for you!  My Husband and I are married 48 years, however He wears the pans in our House, because I am to sick to do much about it.  Thank you for the laugh. Irene

Yes my health isnt all that either. Atleast I retire in June. Which is good for me.

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (CatholicApologist @ Oct. 16 2009,13:54)

This thread was quite something to read. Thanks all.

Is that in a good light? Or a bad one? Hope its good. We did seem to veer off quite abit.

[georg]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 17 2009,08:14)

Quote (georg @ Oct. 17 2009,05:38) Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 17 2009,05:05) Quote (david @ Oct. 16 2009,19:57) Just did a quick search online.  Most popular halloween costumes: Dracula Witch Hospital Patient (I'm not sure how this made it into the top 4.  I think it's because it's easy to make.) Devil Another search tells me that “witch” or “vampire” are the most popular classics. Do you not find these odd choices?  Why do you think this is? No, I don't find it odd at all.  Like I've been saying, the media drives a lot of what we do….including the shampoo we buy, the pop we drink, the cars we own, the clothes we wear….why not the costumes we dress up in for Halloween?  Of course, it makes perfect sense.  Like I said, the year a Harry Potter movie came out I must have saw a dozen little boys dressed as the main character.  No suprises there. I think what you're trying to do, David, is drive home the whole “wicked” thing surrounding Halloween.  You use origins as your foundation for the argument.  It is a weak argument.  Weak only because there are many origins listed for Halloween – you choose the dark one (ironically enough), I choose the light one. Also, folks want to clip scriptures that talk about participating with nonbelievers, and participating in wicked things, not pleasing the Lord and so on…..they want to desperately, it seems, apply this to Halloween so that those who enjoy it have to be deemed sinners!!!  But why?  Why not also apply all those snippets of scripture to other things that perhaps THEY enjoy?  Like movies with a little sex slipped in (or lying and grand theft auto)!     Certainly even owning a movie that has one of those themes in it would be participating in the dark side and being partakers with nonbelievers. Everyone better check their DVD libraries and rid it of anything that can be linked to a scripture (things to be avoided).  I dare say that you won't have one DVD left!  And your TV?  Well – toss it.  Unless of course you stick to the Discovery channel.  Riiiight? Love, Mandy Mandy! If there is another explanation other what David has, then lets see it.  I am nothing going to believe anything, unless you can prove it. And if it is the Original that David is saying, I do agree with that.  When we lived in our other House inside a Community, when our Children were little, i dressed them up. I  remember all the little devils and witches outfits.  You just want to make it in to what it is not, to make yourself feel better, and I can understand that part. As far as Harry Potter, I dd go and see it either, I wanted no part in it.  If they dress according what te media says, that still makes no difference.  We know what it is, and you do too. Peace And Love Irene My dear sister, you  know that I love you and Georg.  But I don't really need to prove anything to you.  The information is there for the taking.  Halloween's origins are vast – too many to comment on.  However I understand those who want to bring in the Christian cleaver and cut out any good there may be just because they disagree.  That's okay, you are entitled to how you feel about it. Love, Mandy

Mandy!  I went and googled the Halloween website.  There is a lot on there,  From recipes to what you can do at Party's
It also said about what the origion is.  It is pagan from the
Celtic cultures. It goes back 2000 years.  It is the Catholic Church that celebrated all Soul day on Nov. 1 and so it is combined.  Must Have made it look like it is the right thing to do, just like Christmas and Easter. All with a Christan twist.
Love you too,and have a nice evening, Irene

[Catholic Apologist]

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 17 2009,09:02)

Quote (CatholicApologist @ Oct. 16 2009,13:54) This thread was quite something to read. Thanks all. Is that in a good light? Or a bad one? Hope its good. We did seem to veer off quite abit.

Con,

Hi. I definitely have my own opinions. But I don't want to start something I can't finish due to time.

I did find Thinker's comment about “sexy” and the aftermath quite amusing.

The bottom line for me is that we should all be pursuing holiness and theosis: union with God.

I like to err on the side of “avoid the near occasion to sin” wherever possible. Life is so much freer and the air is so much easier to breath when we do that.

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (CatholicApologist @ Oct. 16 2009,14:17)

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 17 2009,09:02) Quote (CatholicApologist @ Oct. 16 2009,13:54) This thread was quite something to read. Thanks all. Is that in a good light? Or a bad one? Hope its good. We did seem to veer off quite abit. Con, Hi.  I definitely have my own opinions.  But I don't want to start something I can't finish due to time. I did find Thinker's comment about “sexy” and the aftermath quite amusing.   The bottom line for me is that we should all be pursuing holiness and theosis: union with God. I like to err on the side of “avoid the near occasion to sin” wherever possible.  Life is so much freer and the air is so much easier to breath when we do that.

For such a short post, it was well said, I liked it.

[KangarooJack]

Nick said:

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Hi, Interesting that some folks are not just tolerating these pagan feasts but actively promoting them. Do you think that Jesus will be doing the same?

Jesus was made under the law so He would not have attended a pagan feast. Neither would Paul when he was under the law. But after Christ's atoning death He told Paul that he was free to eat meat in an idol's temple (Romans 14:14; 1 Cor 8:9-13).

Jesus was made under the law (Galatians 4:4). Paul and all new covenant Christians are not under the law. So it's about our severed relationship from the law and not about what Christ would have done.

thinker

[Worshipping Jesus]

Hi all!

Based on Cons post I think she may be a JW or Seventh day adventist or maybe she is from the WWCOG!

Which is it Con?

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 16 2009,12:32)

I suppose the Police were sinning for taking part in Halloween?

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 16 2009,15:24)

Possibly, but if they were any true believers within the group, then they are responsible for aiding and abbetting in a pagan tradition.

So the policeman according to you should quit their jobs rather than take part in patrolling the streets?

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 16 2009,12:32)

Because men take a day and make it evil does not mean that I cannot take the same day and make it good.

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 16 2009,15:24)

Yes you may, but why acknowledge it all? Any participation in it at all gives it life.

Do you want to explain how I would be giving it life by gathering together with my family or church and dressing up as Bible Characters and having fun with kids and giving them candy?

Let’s see how that works. When you pay for internet service to come here and preach legalism you give all those porn companies life by supporting the cable companies that allow that filth on the internet for free.

Or when you pay your cable or satellite TV companies for service then you are also providing moneys to help support those “R” and “X” rated movies.

Man, why don’t you just get out of the world and be a monk?

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 16 2009,12:32)

I do not celebrate the worlds “Halloween”, but I choose to take that day and turn it into a different type of celebration.

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 16 2009,15:24)

Again, it's commendable, but why give it any notice?

Thanks, it is commendable. Why give notice to Wal-Mart knowing that they support gay rights to marry and all kinds of humanistic purposes by buying their products that come from organizations that support all kinds of “Non-Christian” practices like abortion.

You do know that most of the products at Wal-mart comes from communist China where they worship Budah, don't you?

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 16 2009,12:32)

The world cannot take claim to “Gods” day, no matter what day that is.

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 16 2009,15:24)

Gods day is the Sabbath, and yes man has laid claim to another day, which is a Pagan day of SUN worship “SUNday” thanks to Constantine and his Pagan church.

Ok, so you only worship God on Saturday, right?

”EVERY DAY WILL I BLESS THEE; and I will praise thy name for ever and ever”. PS 145:2

So you are one of those that Paul warned us against…

“Therefore do not LET ANYONE JUDGE YOU BY WHAT YOU EAT OR DRINK, or WITH REGARD TO A RELIGIOUS FESTIVAL, A NEW MOON CELEBRATION OR A SABBATH DAY”. Col 2:16

Every day belongs to God our creator my friend! Jesus now has all Authority and Power over all the enemy!

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 16 2009,12:32)

Come on believers; let’s take the “day of the Lord back”. Why hide in a corner while the world goes to hell with their ungodly celebration?

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 16 2009,15:24)

I don't hide in a corner, as several others in here apparently. I refuse to recognize Holy/Holidays not set forth by my Lord and Master.

And that is your choice isn’t it! I don’t judge you for that, and neither should you judge others who do not agree with you! Col 2:16

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 16 2009,12:32)

So please someone tell me what is wrong with our family or our church gathering together on Oct 31st, a day that the Lord has made and offer an alternative celebration to the worlds.

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 16 2009,15:24)

Because any celebration still gives creedence to the one your trying to mask (See catholic Church for a prime example), true believers should just do away with the day.

Why should I do away with “Gods day” and the time he has given me to reach the world?
Are you prepared to say that your way of reaching the world is the only way?

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 16 2009,12:32)

Please, some one tell me what is wrong with kids or adults dressing up as Bible Characters and playing games or giving out prizes or candy to kids?

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 16 2009,15:24)

Because it is not really denying the day, is it, painting a rotten fence doesn't make it sturdy.

And why should I deny the day that the Lord has made? As far as painting a rotten fence,  I see the rottenness of legalism being painted here!

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 16 2009,12:32)

Hello church? We are in the world, but do not have to be part of it.

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 16 2009,15:24)

That is a true statement, so refuse to recognize the day, simple enough.

Apparently you do not know what that means, for to you it means just stick your head in the sand as you command everyone else to do the same or else they are sinning! Let’s just do nothing but tell the world they are going to hell!

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 16 2009,12:32)

I say that Oct 31st is Gods day and I refuse to let the world have it in my life.

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 16 2009,15:24)

Again the Sabbath is the Lords day.

Read the scriptures friend. We have entered into the Sabbath rest when we entered into Christ. Every day is the “Lords Day”! Do you believe this? Or do you believe that God only has one day and the devil has all the rest? Heb 4:1-7

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 16 2009,12:32)

How many watch the ungodly football games? Football may have its spiritual roots in the Roman games where the Gladiators fought to the death.

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 16 2009,15:24)

You may be correct, I am not knowledgable in this area, good thing I am not a sports fan.

Your choice again!

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 16 2009,12:32)

How many see the resemblance there? Some men fight over the games, there is gambling and drunkenness and men worshipping around the TV shouting out praises to this ungodly sport.

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 16 2009,15:24)

Does seem ungodly, does it not? True believers should refrain from it then, I guess.

You guess? You do not seem so sure. Do you have friends who watch football or sports?

If you do please tell them that they are sinning for watching that stuff since there are men getting drunk and praising the games. While you are at it please tell them to throw away their TVs and computers since there are men using these things for evil and wickedness!

And of course do not forget to tell them to repent for letting their kids put on Bible character suits and giving them candy on Halloween!

The Irony is starting to get to me? Smells like Hypocrisy!

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 16 2009,12:32)

I hope you can see what I mean here. But we know that it does not have to be evil or sin for a group of men to gather together to watch the games and have friendly competition don't we?

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 16 2009,15:24)

Maybe, I guess the question is, does it edify the Lord?

Do you go out with your family on family events? Do you ever play games with them? Does that edify the Lord? Or should I be your judge in that?

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 16 2009,15:24)

Holloween does not edify the Lord.

You mean the worldly celebration of it! Oct 31st belongs to the Lord and not man!
So you do as you feel God wants from you and I will do the same.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 16 2009,12:32)

Are these men sinning because of the Evils that surround these games?

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 16 2009,15:24)

Maybe, maybe not. I know christians who do no sports.

You sound unsure again! Do you have friends that watch sports? How about friends with kids in sports? Do you tell them to repent and have nothing to do with it because of the evils that surround it?

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 16 2009,12:32)

I say no. I say lay aside “dead religion” and the attitudes of self righteousness and start using these things as examples to lead men to Christ!

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 16 2009,15:24)

So is God dead?

No but self righteous man made rules and regulations are.

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 16 2009,15:24)

And is it an attitude of self righteousness or is it an attitude of trying to be righteous?

Self righteousness “is a feeling of smug moral superiority[1] derived from a sense that one's beliefs, actions, or affiliations are of greater virtue than those of the average person.” Source

Be the judge of your own heart and consciousness. You have no Biblical support for denying men, woman and children the right to celebrate a particular day for good that the world uses for evil!

You have a right to your opinion though!

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 16 2009,15:24)

I shall not use halloween to lead anyone, I will let my denial lead.

Go ahead, stick your head in the sand and deny it even exist! That’s your right isn’t it? But I am not following!

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 16 2009,15:24)

And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. Matthew 25:46 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 1Timothy 1:9-10 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 1Peter 4:18 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him. 1John 2:29 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 1John 3:7 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. Revelation 22:11

Yes I see, you are the kind that believes that Jesus will cast into the lake of fire little children that dress up in suits and goes around collecting candy, and they shall burn in torment forever and ever!  This is why “religion” of man stinks!

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 16 2009,12:32)

Paul said… To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some. 1 Cor 9:22 “Everything is permissible for me”–but not everything is beneficial. “Everything is permissible for me”–but I will not be mastered by anything“. 1 Cor 6:12

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Did Paul do drugs to help the addicts? Did Paul sleep with hookers to help the harlots? Did Paul become a thief to help robbers? Weak argument. Really.

The weak argument is comparing church gatherings and family gatherings for fun and games and candy to committing the sins of drug addicts and harlots!

Remember, Jesus ate and drank with sinners. But you ignored that point and didn’t address it, did you? Just like you ignored Pauls words when he said “so that by *ALL POSSIBLE MEANS* I might save some“.

Get a life!

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Wasn't it the Apostle Paul that used the worship of an “unknown god” to turn men to Christ, the True God! HeHe!

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Yes, but Paul did not worship any of there gods, in fact he showed that the unknown God to them was unknown to them because they worshipped many, so the unknown God to them was in fact the real God. HeHe

No the “Unknown god” was not the real god. Paul showed them that the real God was not an “idol” made with mans hands!
The point is Paul took something that is wrong and turned it to good by pointing them to Christ!

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“Religious Men” will always try to bind people with heavy burdens of “thou shalts” and “thou shalt nots”.

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How in not recognizing a pagan holiday a burden? Maybe because the heart is not clean and the conscience is not clear?

Thank you. You just confirmed my point. You can do as you like. The problem is you inferring that others who do not follow you or agree with you have an unclean heart and conscience. That is making you the judge of men’s heart in a subject that is ambiguous at best, and that is what self righteousness is!

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God set forth the “Thou's”.

Where is the “Thou shalt” not gather on Oct 31st and dress like Bible characters and have fun and give children candy?

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In Christ we are free and do not have to be like the world, but we will never effect change if we just refuse to do nothing but preach against it without offering the world examples or alternatives of how we can still be in it and not of it.

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You are free to choose whether in christ or not. Failure to participate and make a stand does effect change. Offer Christ crucified, he is the example and the altrnative. You need no other alternative or holiday.

What makes you think we do not do that?

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You esteem “Oct 31st” as evil and hide out in your house or go on vacation if you like.

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Better than joining in.

Have at it. Your choice isn’t it?

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But I choose to see it as another opportunity to show the world that “this is the day that the Lord has made and I will rejoice and be glad in it“.

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Then preach the Sabbath, it's a holiday as well as a Holy day, and it comes every seventh day!

Going back to the Old Covenant again? No thanks!!! You legalist love all those laws that bind men that are free in Christ! Read Hebrew 4:1-7 and Col 2:16 and 1 Cor. chapter 3

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Do I get a “Preach it Brother!?

Not from me! You might from Gene!

WJ

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Hi all! Based on Cons post I think she may be a JW or Seventh day adventist or maybe she is from the WWCOG! Which is it Con? Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 16 2009,12:32) I suppose the Police were sinning for taking part in Halloween? Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 16 2009,15:24) Possibly, but if they were any true believers within the group, then they are responsible for aiding and abbetting in a pagan tradition. So the policeman according to you should quit their jobs rather than take part in patrolling the streets? Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 16 2009,12:32) Because men take a day and make it evil does not mean that I cannot take the same day and make it good. Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 16 2009,15:24) Yes you may, but why acknowledge it all? Any participation in it at all gives it life. Do you want to explain how I would be giving it life by gathering together with my family or church and dressing up as Bible Characters and having fun with kids and giving them candy? Let’s see how that works. When you pay for internet service to come here and preach legalism you give all those porn companies life by supporting the cable companies that allow that filth on the internet for free. Or when you pay your cable or satellite TV companies for service then you are also providing moneys to help support those “R” and “X” rated movies. Man, why don’t you just get out of the world and be a monk? Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 16 2009,12:32) I do not celebrate the worlds “Halloween”, but I choose to take that day and turn it into a different type of celebration. Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 16 2009,15:24) Again, it's commendable, but why give it any notice? Thanks, it is commendable. Why give notice to Wal-Mart knowing that they support gay rights to marry and all kinds of humanistic purposes by buying their products that come from organizations that support all kinds of “Non-Christian” practices like abortion. You do know that most of the products at Wal-mart comes from communist China where they worship Budah, don't you? Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 16 2009,12:32) The world cannot take claim to “Gods” day, no matter what day that is. Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 16 2009,15:24) Gods day is the Sabbath, and yes man has laid claim to another day, which is a Pagan day of SUN worship “SUNday” thanks to Constantine and his Pagan church. Ok, so you only worship God on Saturday, right? ”EVERY DAY WILL I BLESS THEE; and I will praise thy name for ever and ever”. PS 145:2 So you are one of those that Paul warned us against… “Therefore do not LET ANYONE JUDGE YOU BY WHAT YOU EAT OR DRINK, or WITH REGARD TO A RELIGIOUS FESTIVAL, A NEW MOON CELEBRATION OR A SABBATH DAY”. Col 2:16 Every day belongs to God our creator my friend! Jesus now has all Authority and Power over all the enemy! Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 16 2009,12:32) Come on believers; let’s take the “day of the Lord back”. Why hide in a corner while the world goes to hell with their ungodly celebration? Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 16 2009,15:24) I don't hide in a corner, as several others in here apparently. I refuse to recognize Holy/Holidays not set forth by my Lord and Master. And that is your choice isn’t it! I don’t judge you for that, and neither should you judge others who do not agree with you! Col 2:16 Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 16 2009,12:32) So please someone tell me what is wrong with our family or our church gathering together on Oct 31st, a day that the Lord has made and offer an alternative celebration to the worlds. Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 16 2009,15:24) Because any celebration still gives creedence to the one your trying to mask (See catholic Church for a prime example), true believers should just do away with the day. Why should I do away with “Gods day” and the time he has given me to reach the world? Are you prepared to say that your way of reaching the world is the only way? Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 16 2009,12:32) Please, some one tell me what is wrong with kids or adults dressing up as Bible Characters and playing games or giving out prizes or candy to kids? Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 16 2009,15:24) Because it is not really denying the day, is it, painting a rotten fence doe sn't make it sturdy. And why should I deny the day that the Lord has made? As far as painting a rotten fence,  I see the rottenness of legalism being painted here! Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 16 2009,12:32) Hello church? We are in the world, but do not have to be part of it. Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 16 2009,15:24) That is a true statement, so refuse to recognize the day, simple enough. Apparently you do not know what that means, for to you it means just stick your head in the sand as you command everyone else to do the same or else they are sinning! Let’s just do nothing but tell the world they are going to hell! Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 16 2009,12:32) I say that Oct 31st is Gods day and I refuse to let the world have it in my life. Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 16 2009,15:24) Again the Sabbath is the Lords day. Read the scriptures friend. We have entered into the Sabbath rest when we entered into Christ. Every day is the “Lords Day”! Do you believe this? Or do you believe that God only has one day and the devil has all the rest? Heb 4:1-7 Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 16 2009,12:32) How many watch the ungodly football games? Football may have its spiritual roots in the Roman games where the Gladiators fought to the death. Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 16 2009,15:24) You may be correct, I am not knowledgable in this area, good thing I am not a sports fan. Your choice again! Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 16 2009,12:32) How many see the resemblance there? Some men fight over the games, there is gambling and drunkenness and men worshipping around the TV shouting out praises to this ungodly sport. Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 16 2009,15:24) Does seem ungodly, does it not? True believers should refrain from it then, I guess. You guess? You do not seem so sure. Do you have friends who watch football or sports? If you do please tell them that they are sinning for watching that stuff since there are men getting drunk and praising the games. While you are at it please tell them to throw away their TVs and computers since there are men using these things for evil and wickedness! And of course do not forget to tell them to repent for letting their kids put on Bible character suits and giving them candy on Halloween! The Irony is starting to get to me? Smells like Hypocrisy! Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 16 2009,12:32) I hope you can see what I mean here. But we know that it does not have to be evil or sin for a group of men to gather together to watch the games and have friendly competition don't we? Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 16 2009,15:24) Maybe, I guess the question is, does it edify the Lord? Do you go out with your family on family events? Do you ever play games with them? Does that edify the Lord? Or should I be your judge in that? Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 16 2009,15:24) Holloween does not edify the Lord. You mean the worldly celebration of it! Oct 31st belongs to the Lord and not man! So you do as you feel God wants from you and I will do the same. Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 16 2009,12:32) Are these men sinning because of the Evils that surround these games? Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 16 2009,15:24) Maybe, maybe not. I know christians who do no sports. You sound unsure again! Do you have friends that watch sports? How about friends with kids in sports? Do you tell them to repent and have nothing to do with it because of the evils that surround it? Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 16 2009,12:32) I say no. I say lay aside “dead religion” and the attitudes of self righteousness and start using these things as examples to lead men to Christ! Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 16 2009,15:24) So is God dead? No but self righteous man made rules and regulations are. Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 16 2009,15:24) And is it an attitude of self righteousness or is it an attitude of trying to be righteous? Self righteousness “is a feeling of smug moral superiority[1] derived from a sense that one's beliefs, actions, or affiliations are of greater virtue than those of the average person.” Source Be the judge of your own heart and consciousness. You have no Biblical support for denying men, woman and children the right to celebrate a particular day for good that the world uses for evil! You have a right to your opinion though! Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 16 2009,15:24) I shall not use halloween to lead anyone, I will let my denial lead. Go ahead, stick your head in the sand and deny it even exist! That’s your right isn’t it? But I am not following! Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 16 2009,15:24) And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. Matthew 25:46 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 1Timothy 1:9-10 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 1Peter 4:18 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him. 1John 2:29 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 1John 3:7 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. Revelation 22:11 Yes I see, you are the kind that believes that Jesus will cast into the lake of fire little children that dress up in suits and goes around collecting candy, and they shall burn in torment forever and ever!  This is why “religion” of man stinks! Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 16 2009,12:32) Paul said… To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some. 1 Cor 9:22 “Everything is permissible for me”–but not everything is beneficial. “Everything is permissible for me”–but I will not be mastered by anything“. 1 Cor 6:12 Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 16 2009,15:24) Did Paul do drugs to help the addicts? Did Paul sleep with hookers to help the harlots? Did Paul become a thief to help robbers? Weak argument. Really. The weak argument is comparing church gatherings and family gatherings for fun and games and candy to committing the sins of drug addicts and harlots! Remember, Jesus ate and drank with sinners. But you ignored that point and didn’t address it, did you? Just like you ignored Pauls words when he said “so that by *ALL POSSIBLE MEANS* I might save some“. Get a life! Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 16 2009,12:32) Wasn't it the Apostle Paul that used the worship of an “unknown god” to turn men to Christ, the True God! HeHe! Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 16 2009,15:24) Yes, but Paul did not worship any of there gods, in fact he showed that the unknown God to them was unknown to them because they worshipped many, so the unknown God to them was in fact the real God. HeHe No the “Unknown god” was not the real god. Paul showed them that the real God was not an “idol” made with mans hands! The point is Paul took something that is wrong and turned it to good by pointing them to Christ! Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 16 2009,12:32) “Religious Men” will always try to bind people with heavy burdens of “thou shalts” and “thou shalt nots”. Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 16 2009,15:24) How in not recognizing a pagan holiday a burden? Maybe because the heart is not clean and the conscience is not clear? Thank you. You just confirmed my point. You can do as you like. The problem is you inferring that others who do not follow you or agree with you have an unclean heart and conscience. That is making you the judge of men’s heart in a subject that is ambiguous at best, and that is what self righteousness is! Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 16 2009,15:24) God set forth the “Thou's”. Where is the “Thou shalt” not gather on Oct 31st and dress like Bible characters and have fun and give children candy? Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 16 2009,12:32) In Christ we are free and do not have to be like the world, but we will never effect change if we just refuse to do nothing but preach against it without offering the world examples or alternatives of how we can still be in it and not of it. Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 16 2009,15:24) You are free to choose whether in christ or not. Failure to participate and make a stand does effect change. Offer Christ crucified, he is the example and the altrnative. You need no other alternative or holiday. What makes you think we do not do that? Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 16 2009,12:32) You esteem “Oct 31st” as evil and hide out in your house or go on vacation if you like. Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 16 2009,15:24) Better than joining in. Have at it. Your choice isn’t it? Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 16 2009,12:32) But I choose to see it as another opportunity to show the world that “this is the day that the Lord has made and I will rejoice and be glad in it“. Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 16 2009,15:24) Then preach the Sabbath, it's a holiday as well as a Holy day, and it comes every seventh day! Going back to the Old Covenant again? No thanks!!! You legalist love all those laws that bind men that are free in Christ! Read Hebrew 4:1-7 and Col 2:16 and 1 Cor. chapter 3 Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 16 2009,12:32) Do I get a “Preach it Brother!? Not from me! You might from Gene! WJ

LOL, your too much, for your imformation I belong to no Organized Pagan Church.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 16 2009,18:32)

LOL, your too much, for your imformation I belong to no Organized Pagan Church.

Does this mean that all “Churchs” are pagan?

WJ

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