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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 16 2009,09:37) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 15 2009,17:22) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 15 2009,13:47) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 15 2009,16:38) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 15 2009,10:16) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 15 2009,12:52) Foolish little boy, let the scriptures speak, if you really feel it is I twisting and turning the word of God, let this forum decide:
First of all, have you read the scripture that says “call no man a fool”?Second, I am not a boy. I am 54 years old and have been serving the Lord for 35 years.
Third you just ignored my post and the scriptures that prove that all meats are clean and then you plastered Peter’s vision on here as if you actually said something!
Address the points and stop creating diversions. According to the scriptures are all meats cleansed by God or not?
The vision has a twofold meaning doesn't it? But you are closing your eyes to this truth!
You are acting like a novice!
WJ
The Holy Spirit Gave him the answer to his vision. You all keep plugging away at one verse in this chapter and deny the context of the whole chapter.He was given of the vision that the gentile was to be considered clean, and because Peter was a practicing Jew God showed him unclean meats because Peter understood this. And it was horrific this vision to Peter. Until the Holy Spirit gave him the meaning.
And the second part was the gentiles were to come into the fold as was prophesied.
So simple that one verse blinds you to the whole of the chapter.
It Doesn't blind me at all.Because I understand that the vision was also about the Gentiles being saved and grafted in.
But you have rejected a part of the vision and closed your eyes where the Father calls the beast clean and commands Peter to eat.
You didn't answer the question.
“According to the scriptures are all meats cleansed by God or not”?
WJ
“According to the scriptures are all meats cleansed by God or not”?NOPE!
Hi allLets let the scritpures be the judge and see if Con is telling the truth!
”The Spirit clearly says that in later times SOME WILL ABANDON THE FAITH and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons”. Such teachings come through “HYPOCRITICAL LIARS”, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. “They forbid” people to marry “AND ORDER THEM **TO ABSTAIN FROM CERTAIN FOODS**, which GOD CREATED TO BE RECEIVED WITH THANKSGIVING by those who believe and who know the truth”. “FOR EVERYTHING GOD CREATED IS GOOD, and “NOTHING IS TO BE REJECTED” if it is received with thanksgiving, because “IT IS CONSECRATED BY THE WORD OF GOD AND PRAYER”. If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, “brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed”. 1 Tim 4:1-6
So you do not believe Pauls words then?
WJ
Keith,
You are a faithful minister bro as Paul told Timothy.thinker
Quote (thethinker @ Oct. 16 2009,09:42) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 16 2009,09:37) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 15 2009,17:22) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 15 2009,13:47) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 15 2009,16:38) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 15 2009,10:16) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 15 2009,12:52) Foolish little boy, let the scriptures speak, if you really feel it is I twisting and turning the word of God, let this forum decide:
First of all, have you read the scripture that says “call no man a fool”?Second, I am not a boy. I am 54 years old and have been serving the Lord for 35 years.
Third you just ignored my post and the scriptures that prove that all meats are clean and then you plastered Peter’s vision on here as if you actually said something!
Address the points and stop creating diversions. According to the scriptures are all meats cleansed by God or not?
The vision has a twofold meaning doesn't it? But you are closing your eyes to this truth!
You are acting like a novice!
WJ
The Holy Spirit Gave him the answer to his vision. You all keep plugging away at one verse in this chapter and deny the context of the whole chapter.He was given of the vision that the gentile was to be considered clean, and because Peter was a practicing Jew God showed him unclean meats because Peter understood this. And it was horrific this vision to Peter. Until the Holy Spirit gave him the meaning.
And the second part was the gentiles were to come into the fold as was prophesied.
So simple that one verse blinds you to the whole of the chapter.
It Doesn't blind me at all.Because I understand that the vision was also about the Gentiles being saved and grafted in.
But you have rejected a part of the vision and closed your eyes where the Father calls the beast clean and commands Peter to eat.
You didn't answer the question.
“According to the scriptures are all meats cleansed by God or not”?
WJ
“According to the scriptures are all meats cleansed by God or not”?NOPE!
Hi allLets let the scritpures be the judge and see if Con is telling the truth!
”The Spirit clearly says that in later times SOME WILL ABANDON THE FAITH and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons”. Such teachings come through “HYPOCRITICAL LIARS”, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. “They forbid” people to marry “AND ORDER THEM **TO ABSTAIN FROM CERTAIN FOODS**, which GOD CREATED TO BE RECEIVED WITH THANKSGIVING by those who believe and who know the truth”. “FOR EVERYTHING GOD CREATED IS GOOD, and “NOTHING IS TO BE REJECTED” if it is received with thanksgiving, because “IT IS CONSECRATED BY THE WORD OF GOD AND PRAYER”. If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, “brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed”. 1 Tim 4:1-6
So you do not believe Pauls words then?
WJ
Keith,
You are a faithful minister bro as Paul told Timothy.thinker
Well, Hallelujah!I've been thinking about this all day. There will always be those who are not free, and those who are.
The ones who are bound by fear and the letter will always be nipping at the feet of those who are not.
Jesus said he would know us, he said even if our hearts condemn us – he is greater than our hearts! Thank you, JESUS!
Love,
MandyCon
Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 15 2009,17:34) Then it might have something to do with the commandments, but I am sure you believe as TT there are no more commandments in existance. Right?
Naturally you would assume that! But a short answer is this…Jesus replied: ” 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' “All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments“.” Matt 22:37-40
Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for “he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law“. Rom 13:8
For all “the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself“. Gal 5:14
Then read 1 Cor 13 and see what love is. Love is not rude or judgmental but is kind and patient.
You should try it sometimes and see what it means to be free in the Spirit. There is no law against love!
WJ
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 16 2009,09:24) Hi mandy,
Cultural habits are not from the Lord Jesus or his God.
We need to become wiser than the world and help our children do so too.
Traditions are hard to break free from but our attitudes to them should gradually change.
My children could teach you a thing or two about the world and people, Nick.As for my parenting ability to teach my children right from wrong, and things of the Lord and the world……well I do no better or worse than you, I'm sure.
What everyone seems to be missing is that no one can deem what is sin to someone else. There is even sin that doesn't lead to death, for crying out loud!! So give me a break about all this taboo around Halloween and being a bad example to my kids. I could think of worse things, believe me.
Love,
MandyHi TT,
Neither Paul nor Timothy taught trinity so to who do we have to be faithful to be praised by you?Quote (thethinker @ Oct. 15 2009,14:38) Con said: Quote Then it might have something to do with the commandments, but I am sure you believe as TT there are no more commandments in existance. Right? Yeap! The Levitical codes are dead!
thinker
God does not change. (Mal 3:6, Heb 13:8, Jas 1:17)Here are some levitical codes:
The Law was Repeated in the New Testament
1. Do not have other gods (Mt 4:10)
2. Do not have idols (Ac 17:29, 1Jn 5:21)
3. Do not misuse the Lord's name (1Ti 6:1)
4. Keep the 7th-day Sabbath holy (Mk 2:27,28, Lk 4:16)
5. Honor your parents (Mt 19:19)
6. Do not kill (Mt 19:18, Ro 13:9)
7. Do not commit adultery (Mt 19:18, Ro 13:9)
8. Do not steal (Mt 19:18, Ro 13:9)
9. Do not give false testimony (Mt 19:18, Ro 13:9)
10. Do not covet (Ro 7:7, Ro 13:9)
Dead huh?
Here are some more Levitical codes:
The law is focused around love. (Mt 22:36-40 compare Lev 19:18 and Dt 6:5)
Commandments 1-4 define our relationship of love to God.
Commandments 5-10 define our relationship of love to other people.
Lust is adultery. (Mt 5:27,28, 2Pe 2:14,15)
Hate is murder. (Mt 5:21,22, 1Jn 3:15)
Fornication, uncleaness, covetousness, and other lusts are idolatry. (Col 3:5 compare Ro 7:7)
Dead huh?
The law is perfect. (Ps 19:7, Jas 1:25 compare Jas 2:11,12)
The law is eternal. (Ps 111:7,8, Ps 119:143,144,152 compare Ex 25:16,21, Ps 119:160 compare Lev 26:46)
The law is unchangeable. (Dt 4:2, Ps 89:34, Mt 5:17-20 (context Mt 5:21,27,38, compare Heb 4:15), Lk 16:17 (context Lk 16:18))
If the law could be changed, Jesus would not have had to die for us. (Ro 4:25, 1Pe 2:24)
The law acts as a mirror revealing sin and the need for the Saviour. (Ro 3:20, Ro 5:13,20, Ro 7:7,13, Gal 3:24, Jas 1:23-25)
Our works do not make us righteous (Isa 64:6, Jn 15:1-5, Ac 13:38,39, Ro 3:20,27,28, Ro 4:1-5, Ro 9:30-32, Ro 11:5,6, Gal 2:15,16,20,21, Gal 3:11, Gal 5:4)
Note: A “legalist” is a person who believes his good works make him righteous.
Dead huh?
Our obedience and our works are a natural result of genuine faith in Jesus and love for God. (Ps 119:97-104, Jn 14:15,21, 1Jn 5:3)
The presence of works is evidence that our faith is genuine, that Jesus lives in and through us. (Jas 2:17,20,22,26)
Jesus is the source; we are the branches; our works are the fruit. (Jn 15:1-5)
It is not through our own power that we keep the law.
Christ (living through us) enables us to keep the law. (2Co 5:21, Gal 2:20, Gal 5:16,22-25)
The law is written on our heart. (Ps 37:30,31, Ps 40:8, Jer 31:33, Eze 11:19,20, Eze 36:26,27, Mt 15:1-3,7-9, Ro 2:14,15, Heb 8:10 compare 2Co 3:3, Heb 10:16)
Love is the essence of the law. (Dt 6:4,5, Lev 19:18, Mt 7:12, Mt 22:35-40, see also Mk 12:28-31, Mt 23:23,24, Ro 13:8-10, 1Jn 5:2, 2Jn 1:5,6 (compare Jn 13:34)
Dead huh?
God expects obedience to His law. (Dt 5:32, Pr 28:4,9, Isa 24:5,6, Jer 7:8-10, Ecc 12:13, Hos 4:6, Mal 4:3-5, Mt 28:19,20, Jn 14:15,21,23, Jn 15:10,14, Ro 2:13, Ro 7:21-25, Ro 8:7,8, 1Co 7:19, Heb 5:8,9, 1Jn 3:4-10, Rev 22:14)
Grace did not abolish the law. (Ro 3:31, Ro 6:1,2,14,15, Ro 8:3,4, Jude 1:4)
The law is not obsolete. (Isa 42:21, Mt 7:21, Heb 8:10, 1Jn 2:3-6)
Jesus kept the law perfectly. (Jn 15:10, Heb 4:15)
The wicked are characterized by lawlessness. (Da 7:25, 2Th 2:3,8,9, 2Pe 2:7,8)
In the last days, God's faithful remnant people keep His law. (Rev 12:17, Rev 14:12)
We are blessed by keeping the law. (Dt 6:24, Ps 19:8, Pr 3:1,2, Pr 29:18, Isa 48:18)
Dead huh?
The fall of man and the curse of the earth resulted from one act of disobedience. (Ge 3:17-19, Ro 5:17-19)
Christ died on the cross because of our sins, which are the breaking of the law. (Ro 4:25)
Dead huh?
Jack and Mandy
Quote (thethinker @ Oct. 15 2009,17:42) Keith,
You are a faithful minister bro as Paul told Timothy.
Thanks! But I give God any glory for who or what I am, for if there is any value in me it is of him and not myself!Blessings WJ
Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 15 2009,14:52) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 16 2009,09:24) Hi mandy,
Cultural habits are not from the Lord Jesus or his God.
We need to become wiser than the world and help our children do so too.
Traditions are hard to break free from but our attitudes to them should gradually change.
My children could teach you a thing or two about the world and people, Nick.As for my parenting ability to teach my children right from wrong, and things of the Lord and the world……well I do no better or worse than you, I'm sure.
What everyone seems to be missing is that no one can deem what is sin to someone else. There is even sin that doesn't lead to death, for crying out loud!! So give me a break about all this taboo around Halloween and being a bad example to my kids. I could think of worse things, believe me.
Love,
Mandy
The only sin I am aware of that does not lead to death is repented sin.Are there others?
Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 16 2009,09:54) Quote (thethinker @ Oct. 15 2009,14:38) Con said: Quote Then it might have something to do with the commandments, but I am sure you believe as TT there are no more commandments in existance. Right? Yeap! The Levitical codes are dead!
thinker
God does not change. (Mal 3:6, Heb 13:8, Jas 1:17)Here are some levitical codes:
The Law was Repeated in the New Testament
1. Do not have other gods (Mt 4:10)
2. Do not have idols (Ac 17:29, 1Jn 5:21)
3. Do not misuse the Lord's name (1Ti 6:1)
4. Keep the 7th-day Sabbath holy (Mk 2:27,28, Lk 4:16)
5. Honor your parents (Mt 19:19)
6. Do not kill (Mt 19:18, Ro 13:9)
7. Do not commit adultery (Mt 19:18, Ro 13:9)
8. Do not steal (Mt 19:18, Ro 13:9)
9. Do not give false testimony (Mt 19:18, Ro 13:9)
10. Do not covet (Ro 7:7, Ro 13:9)
Dead huh?
Here are some more Levitical codes:
The law is focused around love. (Mt 22:36-40 compare Lev 19:18 and Dt 6:5)
Commandments 1-4 define our relationship of love to God.
Commandments 5-10 define our relationship of love to other people.
Lust is adultery. (Mt 5:27,28, 2Pe 2:14,15)
Hate is murder. (Mt 5:21,22, 1Jn 3:15)
Fornication, uncleaness, covetousness, and other lusts are idolatry. (Col 3:5 compare Ro 7:7)
Dead huh?
The law is perfect. (Ps 19:7, Jas 1:25 compare Jas 2:11,12)
The law is eternal. (Ps 111:7,8, Ps 119:143,144,152 compare Ex 25:16,21, Ps 119:160 compare Lev 26:46)
The law is unchangeable. (Dt 4:2, Ps 89:34, Mt 5:17-20 (context Mt 5:21,27,38, compare Heb 4:15), Lk 16:17 (context Lk 16:18))
If the law could be changed, Jesus would not have had to die for us. (Ro 4:25, 1Pe 2:24)
The law acts as a mirror revealing sin and the need for the Saviour. (Ro 3:20, Ro 5:13,20, Ro 7:7,13, Gal 3:24, Jas 1:23-25)
Our works do not make us righteous (Isa 64:6, Jn 15:1-5, Ac 13:38,39, Ro 3:20,27,28, Ro 4:1-5, Ro 9:30-32, Ro 11:5,6, Gal 2:15,16,20,21, Gal 3:11, Gal 5:4)
Note: A “legalist” is a person who believes his good works make him righteous.
Dead huh?
Our obedience and our works are a natural result of genuine faith in Jesus and love for God. (Ps 119:97-104, Jn 14:15,21, 1Jn 5:3)
The presence of works is evidence that our faith is genuine, that Jesus lives in and through us. (Jas 2:17,20,22,26)
Jesus is the source; we are the branches; our works are the fruit. (Jn 15:1-5)
It is not through our own power that we keep the law.
Christ (living through us) enables us to keep the law. (2Co 5:21, Gal 2:20, Gal 5:16,22-25)
The law is written on our heart. (Ps 37:30,31, Ps 40:8, Jer 31:33, Eze 11:19,20, Eze 36:26,27, Mt 15:1-3,7-9, Ro 2:14,15, Heb 8:10 compare 2Co 3:3, Heb 10:16)
Love is the essence of the law. (Dt 6:4,5, Lev 19:18, Mt 7:12, Mt 22:35-40, see also Mk 12:28-31, Mt 23:23,24, Ro 13:8-10, 1Jn 5:2, 2Jn 1:5,6 (compare Jn 13:34)
Dead huh?
God expects obedience to His law. (Dt 5:32, Pr 28:4,9, Isa 24:5,6, Jer 7:8-10, Ecc 12:13, Hos 4:6, Mal 4:3-5, Mt 28:19,20, Jn 14:15,21,23, Jn 15:10,14, Ro 2:13, Ro 7:21-25, Ro 8:7,8, 1Co 7:19, Heb 5:8,9, 1Jn 3:4-10, Rev 22:14)
Grace did not abolish the law. (Ro 3:31, Ro 6:1,2,14,15, Ro 8:3,4, Jude 1:4)
The law is not obsolete. (Isa 42:21, Mt 7:21, Heb 8:10, 1Jn 2:3-6)
Jesus kept the law perfectly. (Jn 15:10, Heb 4:15)
The wicked are characterized by lawlessness. (Da 7:25, 2Th 2:3,8,9, 2Pe 2:7,8)
In the last days, God's faithful remnant people keep His law. (Rev 12:17, Rev 14:12)
We are blessed by keeping the law. (Dt 6:24, Ps 19:8, Pr 3:1,2, Pr 29:18, Isa 48:18)
Dead huh?
The fall of man and the curse of the earth resulted from one act of disobedience. (Ge 3:17-19, Ro 5:17-19)
Christ died on the cross because of our sins, which are the breaking of the law. (Ro 4:25)
Dead huh?
The laws to which you refer and which were repeated in the new testament were set in place BEFORE the Levitical codes came along. You are confusing the moral law with the external regulations under the Levites.You keep digging a deeper hole for yourself. You lost this argument long ago. Give it up!
thinker
Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 15 2009,17:54) Quote (thethinker @ Oct. 15 2009,14:38) Con said: Quote Then it might have something to do with the commandments, but I am sure you believe as TT there are no more commandments in existance. Right? Yeap! The Levitical codes are dead!
thinker
God does not change. (Mal 3:6, Heb 13:8, Jas 1:17)Here are some levitical codes:
The Law was Repeated in the New Testament
1. Do not have other gods (Mt 4:10)
2. Do not have idols (Ac 17:29, 1Jn 5:21)
3. Do not misuse the Lord's name (1Ti 6:1)
4. Keep the 7th-day Sabbath holy (Mk 2:27,28, Lk 4:16)
5. Honor your parents (Mt 19:19)
6. Do not kill (Mt 19:18, Ro 13:9)
7. Do not commit adultery (Mt 19:18, Ro 13:9)
8. Do not steal (Mt 19:18, Ro 13:9)
9. Do not give false testimony (Mt 19:18, Ro 13:9)
10. Do not covet (Ro 7:7, Ro 13:9)
Dead huh?
Here are some more Levitical codes:
The law is focused around love. (Mt 22:36-40 compare Lev 19:18 and Dt 6:5)
Commandments 1-4 define our relationship of love to God.
Commandments 5-10 define our relationship of love to other people.
Lust is adultery. (Mt 5:27,28, 2Pe 2:14,15)
Hate is murder. (Mt 5:21,22, 1Jn 3:15)
Fornication, uncleaness, covetousness, and other lusts are idolatry. (Col 3:5 compare Ro 7:7)
Dead huh?
The law is perfect. (Ps 19:7, Jas 1:25 compare Jas 2:11,12)
The law is eternal. (Ps 111:7,8, Ps 119:143,144,152 compare Ex 25:16,21, Ps 119:160 compare Lev 26:46)
The law is unchangeable. (Dt 4:2, Ps 89:34, Mt 5:17-20 (context Mt 5:21,27,38, compare Heb 4:15), Lk 16:17 (context Lk 16:18))
If the law could be changed, Jesus would not have had to die for us. (Ro 4:25, 1Pe 2:24)
The law acts as a mirror revealing sin and the need for the Saviour. (Ro 3:20, Ro 5:13,20, Ro 7:7,13, Gal 3:24, Jas 1:23-25)
Our works do not make us righteous (Isa 64:6, Jn 15:1-5, Ac 13:38,39, Ro 3:20,27,28, Ro 4:1-5, Ro 9:30-32, Ro 11:5,6, Gal 2:15,16,20,21, Gal 3:11, Gal 5:4)
Note: A “legalist” is a person who believes his good works make him righteous.
Dead huh?
Our obedience and our works are a natural result of genuine faith in Jesus and love for God. (Ps 119:97-104, Jn 14:15,21, 1Jn 5:3)
The presence of works is evidence that our faith is genuine, that Jesus lives in and through us. (Jas 2:17,20,22,26)
Jesus is the source; we are the branches; our works are the fruit. (Jn 15:1-5)
It is not through our own power that we keep the law.
Christ (living through us) enables us to keep the law. (2Co 5:21, Gal 2:20, Gal 5:16,22-25)
The law is written on our heart. (Ps 37:30,31, Ps 40:8, Jer 31:33, Eze 11:19,20, Eze 36:26,27, Mt 15:1-3,7-9, Ro 2:14,15, Heb 8:10 compare 2Co 3:3, Heb 10:16)
Love is the essence of the law. (Dt 6:4,5, Lev 19:18, Mt 7:12, Mt 22:35-40, see also Mk 12:28-31, Mt 23:23,24, Ro 13:8-10, 1Jn 5:2, 2Jn 1:5,6 (compare Jn 13:34)
Dead huh?
God expects obedience to His law. (Dt 5:32, Pr 28:4,9, Isa 24:5,6, Jer 7:8-10, Ecc 12:13, Hos 4:6, Mal 4:3-5, Mt 28:19,20, Jn 14:15,21,23, Jn 15:10,14, Ro 2:13, Ro 7:21-25, Ro 8:7,8, 1Co 7:19, Heb 5:8,9, 1Jn 3:4-10, Rev 22:14)
Grace did not abolish the law. (Ro 3:31, Ro 6:1,2,14,15, Ro 8:3,4, Jude 1:4)
The law is not obsolete. (Isa 42:21, Mt 7:21, Heb 8:10, 1Jn 2:3-6)
Jesus kept the law perfectly. (Jn 15:10, Heb 4:15)
The wicked are characterized by lawlessness. (Da 7:25, 2Th 2:3,8,9, 2Pe 2:7,8)
In the last days, God's faithful remnant people keep His law. (Rev 12:17, Rev 14:12)
We are blessed by keeping the law. (Dt 6:24, Ps 19:8, Pr 3:1,2, Pr 29:18, Isa 48:18)
Dead huh?
The fall of man and the curse of the earth resulted from one act of disobedience. (Ge 3:17-19, Ro 5:17-19)
Christ died on the cross because of our sins, which are the breaking of the law. (Ro 4:25)
Dead huh?
ConYou don't get it do you?
The law is not for the keeper of the law but the law breaker.
Believers have the law written in their hearts by the Spirit and serve the law of grace now.
It is the Spirit that quickens, the flesh profits nothing. If you set out to build on the law again then you become a transgressor according to Paul.
The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made us free from the law of sin and death!
“But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: **against such there is no law**“. Gal 5:22, 23
WJ
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 16 2009,09:35) Hi not3,
1 Peter 2.
Rom 12
1 Cor 7
1 Peter 2:11
11Dear friends, I urge you, as aliens and strangers in the world, to abstain from sinful desires, which war against your soul. 12Live such good lives among the pagans that, though they accuse you of doing wrong, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day he visits us.Nick,
Would a Pagan accuse me of doing “wrong” by celebrating Halloween? You have many scriptures at your fingertips by which to judge my actions and beliefs. Why limit yourself to only a few? Indeed it is sad that we use the bible as a tool for judgement instead of spurring one another on towards love.
What would you say if I told you that a Pagan/Wicca believer gave their heart to Jesus at one of my Halloween parties? Would you believe me?
Love,
MandyQuote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 16 2009,09:58) Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 15 2009,14:52) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 16 2009,09:24) Hi mandy,
Cultural habits are not from the Lord Jesus or his God.
We need to become wiser than the world and help our children do so too.
Traditions are hard to break free from but our attitudes to them should gradually change.
My children could teach you a thing or two about the world and people, Nick.As for my parenting ability to teach my children right from wrong, and things of the Lord and the world……well I do no better or worse than you, I'm sure.
What everyone seems to be missing is that no one can deem what is sin to someone else. There is even sin that doesn't lead to death, for crying out loud!! So give me a break about all this taboo around Halloween and being a bad example to my kids. I could think of worse things, believe me.
Love,
Mandy
The only sin I am aware of that does not lead to death is repented sin.Are there others?
1 John 5:16
If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that does not lead to death, he should pray and God will give him life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that he should pray about that.Pretty cryptic, huh? But perhaps you can enlighten us?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 16 2009,10:12) Hi not3,
Why do you feel accused or judged?
Does giving hearts to Jesus save anyone?
The “saving” part is up to the Lord.The Lord knows who are his.
The verse you shared had an implication behind it, did it not? I was trying to say that good can come of any situation where the light of Jesus is present….even a Halloween party.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 16 2009,10:16) Hi not3,
Who has accused you of anything?
Brother,May I ask….what was your reasons for sharing the specific verses that you gave me?
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 15 2009,14:51) Con Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 15 2009,17:34) Then it might have something to do with the commandments, but I am sure you believe as TT there are no more commandments in existance. Right?
Naturally you would assume that! But a short answer is this…Jesus replied: ” 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' “All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments“.” Matt 22:37-40
Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for “he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law“. Rom 13:8
For all “the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself“. Gal 5:14
Then read 1 Cor 13 and see what love is. Love is not rude or judgmental but is kind and patient.
You should try it sometimes and see what it means to be free in the Spirit. There is no law against love!
WJ
Jesus replied: ” 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' “All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments“.” Matt 22:37-40Why? Because it encompasses the whole Torah. If you can do these two things you transgress NO law.
Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for “he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law“. Rom 13:8
He shows how very few judgments need to be executed, that is, if we so order our life as no man may justly require anything from us, besides only that which we owe one to another, by the perpetual law of charity. He commends charity as a concise statement of the whole law. Has not only done one commandment, but performed generally that which the law commands.
Hath fulfilled the law. He who loves his neighbor will not do to his neighbor any of the things forbidden by the law; will not steal, kill, commit adultery, bear false witness, covet, and hence his love fulfills the Mosaic law.
Fulfilled = Greek Pléroó = To make full, to complete, accomplish, fully carry.
Quote James 2:8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF,” you are doing well. Charity which God prescribes cannot agree with the respecting of people, seeing that we must walk in the king's highway. The law is said to be royal and like the king's highway, in that it is simple and without changes, and that the law calls everyone our neighbour without respect, whom we may help by any kind of duty.
James 2:8 comes from Lev 19:18. If ye fulfil the royal law – The supreme law of the great King which is love; and that to every man, poor as well as rich, ye do well.
Fulfilled = Greek Teleó From Greek Pléroó = To make full, to complete, keeps, performed, accomplish, fully carry, perfected.
For all “the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself“. Gal 5:14
He sets forth the love of our neighbour, as a mark unto which all Christians ought to refer all their actions, and to that he cites the testimony of the Law. This particle all must be limited to the second table of the ten commandments.
Fulfilled = Greek Peplērōtai From Greek Pléroó = To make full, to complete, keeps, performed, accomplish, fully carry, perfected.
Quote Matthew 7:12 “In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets. Quote (thethinker @ Oct. 16 2009,09:42) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 16 2009,09:37) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 15 2009,17:22) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 15 2009,13:47) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 15 2009,16:38) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 15 2009,10:16) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 15 2009,12:52) Foolish little boy, let the scriptures speak, if you really feel it is I twisting and turning the word of God, let this forum decide:
First of all, have you read the scripture that says “call no man a fool”?Second, I am not a boy. I am 54 years old and have been serving the Lord for 35 years.
Third you just ignored my post and the scriptures that prove that all meats are clean and then you plastered Peter’s vision on here as if you actually said something!
Address the points and stop creating diversions. According to the scriptures are all meats cleansed by God or not?
The vision has a twofold meaning doesn't it? But you are closing your eyes to this truth!
You are acting like a novice!
WJ
The Holy Spirit Gave him the answer to his vision. You all keep plugging away at one verse in this chapter and deny the context of the whole chapter.He was given of the vision that the gentile was to be considered clean, and because Peter was a practicing Jew God showed him unclean meats because Peter understood this. And it was horrific this vision to Peter. Until the Holy Spirit gave him the meaning.
And the second part was the gentiles were to come into the fold as was prophesied.
So simple that one verse blinds you to the whole of the chapter.
It Doesn't blind me at all.Because I understand that the vision was also about the Gentiles being saved and grafted in.
But you have rejected a part of the vision and closed your eyes where the Father calls the beast clean and commands Peter to eat.
You didn't answer the question.
“According to the scriptures are all meats cleansed by God or not”?
WJ
“According to the scriptures are all meats cleansed by God or not”?NOPE!
Hi allLets let the scritpures be the judge and see if Con is telling the truth!
”The Spirit clearly says that in later times SOME WILL ABANDON THE FAITH and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons”. Such teachings come through “HYPOCRITICAL LIARS”, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. “They forbid” people to marry “AND ORDER THEM **TO ABSTAIN FROM CERTAIN FOODS**, which GOD CREATED TO BE RECEIVED WITH THANKSGIVING by those who believe and who know the truth”. “FOR EVERYTHING GOD CREATED IS GOOD, and “NOTHING IS TO BE REJECTED” if it is received with thanksgiving, because “IT IS CONSECRATED BY THE WORD OF GOD AND PRAYER”. If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, “brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed”. 1 Tim 4:1-6
So you do not believe Pauls words then?
WJ
Keith,
You are a faithful minister bro as Paul told Timothy.thinker
Hi WJ:And so, I guess this means that you can eat horse meat or dog meat, or the meat of a buzzard etc.
Actually, we have a “free will” and we can do whatsoever we choose to do.
We can eat whatever we want, but certainly, some things are not good for our health.
I may be wrong, but I do not believe that God was speaking of cleansing all meats in Acts Chapter 10. I need to pray about this in spite of 1 Ti 4:4.
Why would God declare some of His creatures unclean for food in the OT and all of a sudden declare them clean in the NT? Why then bother to declare them unclean at all.
Love in Christ,
Marty
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