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Hi TJ,
Certainly his dead body was in the grave and spared corruption but the living Lord was visiting those others in prison.[1Peter3]From what I understand of Scripture, sheol is the temporary place of lost souls before the lake of fire. sheol and the lake of fire are both hell. No? Or is hell only sheol?
Quote (berean2005 @ June 28 2005,10:46) Hi, THE FOUR WORDS TRANSLATED 'HELL'
Sheol: This is the Old Testament word which means the 'Grave' or 'The Pit'. The Hebrew word Sheol (translated into the Greek word Hades) signifies the state or abode of the dead. Sheol is used 65 times in the Old Testament Scriptures. In the King James Version it is translated 'Grave' 31 times, 'Hell' 31 times, and 'Pit' 3 times.
Hades: In the New Testament, the Greek word 'Hades' is used instead of the word Sheol. It has the exact same meaning as the word Sheol.
The Hebrew Old Testament, some 300 years before the Christian era, was translated into Greek, but of the 64 instances where Sheol occurs in the Hebrew, it is rendered Hades in the Greek 60 times, so that either word is the equivalent of the other. Hades is used 11 times in the New Testament. In the King James Translation, it is translated 'Hell' 10 times, and 'Grave' 1 time.Gehenna: The Greek word “Gehenna”, often translated “hell”, comes from the Hebrew “Ghi-Hinnom”, the name of the valley to the south of Jerusalem where the kings Ahaz and Manasseh offered their sons to the Molech. In the days of Jesus, it had become the city's burning garbage dump, where garbage, sewage, dead animals, and dead criminals were cast in and consumed. Gehenna is used 12 Times in the New Testament, 11 of which are used by Jesus. It is translated 'Hell' all 12 Times in the King James Version.
Tartarus: Used only once in the Bible, is the Greek fabled place of punishment in the lower world. It is used by Peter in 2 Peter 2:4, to describe the place where the Angels who sinned are kept in 'pits of darkness' awaiting judgement. Translated 'Hell' in the King James Translation.
Hell: The word 'Hell' is actually not found anywhere in the Bible. It is a word the translators used in place of all four words above. The word hell comes from an Old Norse verb “to hide”. The word hell derives from the Old English helan, to conceal or cover. It literally means any place, or some place covered over. In Norse mythology, which predates Christianity, Hel was the goddess of death and the underworld.
As you can see, the word 'hell' is not found anyplace in Scripture. It is a word the translators used to replace all four words above. Why was this? That's a good question to ask. Perhaps a 'biased' towards the pagan Roman Church doctrine of eternal torture?
HELL — PURGATORY — LIMBO
The three 'invented places' of Rome.
In Jesus,
Berean2005
Hi ACC,
Try thisQuote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 07 2008,04:58) Hi TJ,
Certainly his dead body was in the grave and spared corruption but the living Lord was visiting those others in prison.[1Peter3]
Nick….Iam not sure about that….I would think that the three days and three nights in the grave were just that….and then
the ressurection….and then the subsequent apparations to
various individuals…eg. Mary,the apostles etc…Hi TJ,
The body of Christ lay in the grave 3 days. But he was yet alive in the Spirit .
1Peter 3
18For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:19By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 08 2008,05:13) Hi TJ, The body of Christ lay in the grave 3 days. But he was yet alive in the Spirit .
1Peter 3
18For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:19By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
Greetings Nick….Just so I understand this….While Jesus'body
lay in the grave….His spirit was out and about….If that be the case then why would one the proofs of his resurection be the comparison to Jonah…Who spent
three days and three nights in the belly of a fish…?On the third day he arose….when Mary saw him he was in spirit form….and asked her not to touch him because he
had not ascended to the Father….Hi TJ,
Not quite.
He asked her not to cling to him.
And as he showed the apostles he still had his battered, pierced original body.
“Flesh and bones.”
“Put you fingers in my hands… and your hand in my side..”
And flesh cannot inherit the kingdom. So the change to his heavenly body was later.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 07 2008,04:58) Hi TJ,
Certainly his dead body was in the grave and spared corruption but the living Lord was visiting those others in prison.[1Peter3]
Hi Nick:I know that these verses of scripture are difficult to understand. Jesus was dead. He was made alive in the spirit when he was resurrected from the dead. How can a dead man preach?
I believe that we can better understand what the Apostle Peter was saying by these scriptures by the YLT translation which states:
Quote 1 Peter 3:18 because also Christ once for sin did suffer — righteous for unrighteous — that he might lead us to God, having been put to death indeed, in the flesh, and having been made alive in the spirit, 19 in which also to the spirits in prison having gone he did preach, 20 who sometime disbelieved, when once the long-suffering of God did wait, in days of Noah — an ark being preparing — in which few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water; He preached to the spirits in prison by the Holy Ghost while he was alive.
Those who died in the flood had the opportunity to be saved when Noah preached for 150 years, but the did not believe, and consequently, they were not saved by Noah's Ark. He says that only 8 people were saved by Noah's Ark, and he compares it to salvation through being united with Christ in his death, burial, and resurrection symbolized by water baptism.
Hi 94,
Those who do not know the soul can never grasp these issues.
The soul of a man would normally have waited in Hades or the bosom of Abraham but these could not hold the soul of Christ.
We too now would wait in his mansions [Jn14]for resurrection as the door of Hades likewise cannot withstand those in Christ.Hi Nick:
To whom are you referring by the following comment?
Quote Hi 94,
Those who do not know the soul can never grasp these issues.Hi 94,
Anyone who does not know the breath of God gave the soil of man's body soul and spirit.
The spirit returns to God. The fate of the soul for natural men is as Jesus described in Lk16Hi,
Popular myth has it that the work of Satan is after death tormenting men in Hades.
But Jesus taught differently in Lk16
23And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.24And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
Likewise he seems to have no role in gehenna but that is his future home.
Rev20
10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.Hi Hanoch,
You said in another thread
“Matthew 25:32 “Before him will be gathered all the nations (isn't this the word meaning Gentiles — and doesn't the resurrection consummate the , and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.”1] I actually have questions concerning whether people will get out of hell (though not out of the lake of fire):
is it possible, then, that Christians will be saved “but so as through fire”? in this way… Daniel 12:3 seems to disagree, saying that when the virgins arise (Matt 25:1-13)”… some to everlasting life and other to everlasting shame and contempt.” that the shame and contempt is eternal…2] Is it possible that people can be cast into hell for a season – “…until they have paid the utterest farthing”?
2b] I have come to understand the first resurrection as being the judgment of believers — “judgment must begin at God's house.” so that at the second resurrection, it includes the bodies of those who'd died during the millenium and those who died without hearing about Christ – and “if any man's name was not found written in the Lamb's Book of Life” they are cast into the lake of fire. This means that some of them are going to be saved. ”
Hell is a word poorly used in the KJV to include both Hades and Gehenna[the lake of fire]
But Hades [Sheol, the Pit, Death] as shown in Lk16 is only a waiting place for the second resurrection and judgement and it's fate is the lake of fire.
There is no purgatory in scripture. Life is a crucible of suffering for christians as they share the suffering of Christ and the ones who suffer are freed from sin in that process.
Quote (berean2005 @ June 28 2005,09:46) Hi, THE FOUR WORDS TRANSLATED 'HELL'
Sheol: This is the Old Testament word which means the 'Grave' or 'The Pit'. The Hebrew word Sheol (translated into the Greek word Hades) signifies the state or abode of the dead. Sheol is used 65 times in the Old Testament Scriptures. In the King James Version it is translated 'Grave' 31 times, 'Hell' 31 times, and 'Pit' 3 times.
Hades: In the New Testament, the Greek word 'Hades' is used instead of the word Sheol. It has the exact same meaning as the word Sheol.
The Hebrew Old Testament, some 300 years before the Christian era, was translated into Greek, but of the 64 instances where Sheol occurs in the Hebrew, it is rendered Hades in the Greek 60 times, so that either word is the equivalent of the other. Hades is used 11 times in the New Testament. In the King James Translation, it is translated 'Hell' 10 times, and 'Grave' 1 time.Gehenna: The Greek word “Gehenna”, often translated “hell”, comes from the Hebrew “Ghi-Hinnom”, the name of the valley to the south of Jerusalem where the kings Ahaz and Manasseh offered their sons to the Molech. In the days of Jesus, it had become the city's burning garbage dump, where garbage, sewage, dead animals, and dead criminals were cast in and consumed. Gehenna is used 12 Times in the New Testament, 11 of which are used by Jesus. It is translated 'Hell' all 12 Times in the King James Version.
Tartarus: Used only once in the Bible, is the Greek fabled place of punishment in the lower world. It is used by Peter in 2 Peter 2:4, to describe the place where the Angels who sinned are kept in 'pits of darkness' awaiting judgement. Translated 'Hell' in the King James Translation.
Hell: The word 'Hell' is actually not found anywhere in the Bible. It is a word the translators used in place of all four words above. The word hell comes from an Old Norse verb “to hide”. The word hell derives from the Old English helan, to conceal or cover. It literally means any place, or some place covered over. In Norse mythology, which predates Christianity, Hel was the goddess of death and the underworld.
As you can see, the word 'hell' is not found anyplace in Scripture. It is a word the translators used to replace all four words above. Why was this? That's a good question to ask. Perhaps a 'biased' towards the pagan Roman Church doctrine of eternal torture?
HELL — PURGATORY — LIMBO
The three 'invented places' of Rome.
In Jesus,
Berean2005
That pretty much sums it up.There are other details we could learn, but that does sum it up.
barley
Hi,
The nature of Hades is illustrated in Lk 16 but many do not accept this as truth.
Ps 16.10 shows the promise that Jesus would not be held there as Peter quoted in Acts 2.27
Hosea 13 also shows the promise to take away the sting of death as quoted in by Paul in 1Cor 15.55
Jesus showed that he has the keys of death and Hades in Rev 1.18 and that it could not overcome the church in Matt 16.
Hi,
You have to be familiar with the OT teachings to understand the kingdom.
And to know the importance of the resurrection.
Lk 16.29
But Abraham said
’They have Moses and the prophets, let them hear them”
But he said
”No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent”
But he said to him
”If they do not listen to Moses and the prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead”
Wise words from a man who had died before Moses was born.
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