Gospel of John

[kejonn]

More clues that John was perhaps not the writer

Joh 9:22 His parents said this because they were afraid of the Jews; for the Jews had already agreed that if anyone confessed Him to be Christ, he was to be put out of the synagogue.

Joh 12:42 Nevertheless many even of the rulers believed in Him, but because of the Pharisees they were not confessing Him, for fear that they would be put out of the synagogue;

However, there does not seem to be a single occurrence outside of the Gospel of John where any of the Apostles were put out of a synagogue. Acts is full of examples of the Apostles teaching in synagogues and even being invited back to speak again.

[michaels]

this is because men like to hear the lie, more than the truth,for they followed after teachings to ichy ears,and these men who were invited to speak in the synagogues,only taught what men wanted to hear,for they were pleasers of men not GOD.if you want the respect of persons more than the respect of GOD,you will allways be welcome in any church.jesus was not welcome,for they wanted to kill him for speaking the truth.and he said his followers would not be welcome either,.for he said the servant is not greater than the master,and that we would be scurged in the synagogues,so it is clear that the ones they excepted did not even know GOD!!! if they had the men from the synagogues would not have heard thier voice,for they dont know truth,but rather want to believe the lie.

[michaels]

does this not show these were followers of men ,not GOD .for jesus was cast out,men even wanted to kill him. why, because he spoke truth.the children of satan love the lie more than the truth,so they followed these men rather than GOD,did not stephen get cast out and stoned,by even paul,how many more did he kill that he could teach the lie to the ichy ears who dont want the truth.

[kejonn]

As far as I can tell, there was no time Yahshua was ever cast out of the synagogue.

[michaels]

this is true he came and went as the spirit lead, before they could lay hands on him ,to cast him out,and murder him,yet they got their way in the end and murdered him,yet he is alive forever more!!!!

[michaels]

jesus was under GODS protection, paul was under his kings protection even ceaser,rome.he probabley got a nice retierment when he returned home to his king in rome,after all he did all ceaser required of him,to bring all this religion into one religion that thay all might worship ceaser,under one god,.a united kingdom,hmmm.

[kejonn]

This thread has nothing to do with your Paul obsession.

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michaels, you are free to start up a discussion on Paul.

[kejonn]

Another oddity I noted about John is that Yashua seemed to be less “Jewish” in this Gospel. Note the way he spoke of the Law:

Joh 8:17 “Even in your law it has been written that the testimony of two men is true.

Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, “Has it not been written in your Law, 'I SAID, YOU ARE GODS'?

Joh 15:25 “But they have done this to fulfill the word that is written in their Law, 'THEY HATED ME WITHOUT A CAUSE.'

Now compare this with statements made in the Synoptics

Mat 5:17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.

Mat 7:12 “In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

Mat 12:5 “Or have you not read in the Law, that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple break the Sabbath and are innocent?

Mat 22:40 “On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.”

Luk 10:26 And He said to him, “What is written in the Law? How does it read to you?”

Luk 16:16 “The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John; since that time the gospel of the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is forcing his way into it.
Luk 16:17 “But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one stroke of a letter of the Law to fail.

Luk 24:44 Now He said to them, “These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.”

Note the difference? In the Synoptics — at least Matthew and Luke — when Yahshua spoke of the Law, he called it “the Law”. In the Gospel of John, he said “your Law” or “their Law” as if he was no longer a Jew who grew up observing the Law.

[michaels]

let us speak of john then, the gosple of john contains 879 verses.417,or 49%, are quotations from jesus. 417 of these quotations, or 49%, are from the old testament,. we have this in no other gosple,jesus allways pointed to the father,for as you can see in john, jesus was always quoteing the old,for god never changes,he has allways been perfect.it is not so important to recognize who wrote this,but to know this is truth,no gospel can compair!!matt 14%,mark 13%, luke 7% old testament quotations,john shows us that jesus allways spoke the truth,for 100% of jesus words in the gosple of john are out of scripture,so we have a choice to believe scripture or men and there traditions.me believe jesus and every quote from the old testament that he gave,that this is the truth.

[michaels]

kejonn and t8 ,please forgive me, for me was drawn off track,to be speaking of things that dont pertain to this thred,thank you for speaking up so we can keep this discusion on track.sometimes when GOD gives me something, me just blurt it out,it doesent allways end up where our father realy wanted it to go,yet he is leading me to be more patient,to wait in obeadeance ,thank you father.

[michaels]

if i have told you earthly things, and you believe not,how shall you believe,if i tell you heavenly things!

[charity]

It seems that Jesus implied that it is not flesh and blood that will reveal to us of his Son ship to God;

As in …my parrot can learn words too …actually it can almost hold a bible study… Even the words…. The Son of God… that shall mean nothing more than a vanity for a reward
With out knowing him as the son of Man first; unto the revelation of knowing him Now as the son of God…he even waited patiently for this to come forth from the disciples own lips, as confirmation… that all men should need to understand their transformation as his came.

Peter gets it first;
Mat 16:20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.
Mar 8:30 And he charged them that they should tell no man of him.
Also reluctant to confirm his althority in his father?
Mat 21:27 And they answered Jesus, and said, We cannot tell. And he said unto them, Neither tell I you by what authority I do these things.
Mat 21:24 And Jesus answered and said unto them, I also will ask you one thing, which if ye tell me, I in like wise will tell you by what authority I do these things.
Even till he was brought before the unrighteous he maintained silence
Mat 26:62 And the high priest arose, and said unto him, Answerest thou nothing? what [is it which] these witness against thee?

The High priest adjured him to tell… and the answers the Son of Man; putting himself (under David) with power that he will returns on the clouds for us; as the son of Man that sits by God
Mat 26:63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God. :64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

How the Hang has is it heard … reports of Him being God? John 1;1 (WAS GOD)
Held again saying answered nothing
Mat 27:11 ¶ And Jesus stood before the governor: and the governor asked him, saying, Art thou the King of the Jews? And Jesus said unto him, Thou sayest. :12 And when he was accused of the chief priests and elders, he answered nothing. :13 Then said Pilate unto him, Hearest thou not how many things they witness against thee? 14 And he answered him to never a word; insomuch that the governor marvelled greatly.

Now the writer of the gospel of John makes this silence and goal foolishness by having Christ answer and totally found guilty of saying his authority and standing …Jhn 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? .The gospel of John of John is checky as …Now it has him convicted and charged after the writer has Made him guilty of the offence………; Jhn 19:7 The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.
often shines lights on Christ as a little bit provoking and having pride…TRUTH IS Maybe Christ never said any of these words; but someone has surly said he has; even as the gospel of John Identifies its self

Again the Gospal of John Has Jesus boasts of his authority;
Jhn 10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father [is] in me, and I in him. :39 Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,

He did not seek trouble; he had come to feed us good food; and they cut his life off
Even he did not know they brought him as Lamb to the slaughter
Jer 11:19 But I [was] like a lamb [or] an ox [that] is brought to the slaughter; and I knew not that they had devised devices against me, [saying], Let us destroy the tree with the fruit thereof, and let us cut him off from the land of the living, that his name may be no more remembered.

[kejonn]

The Gospel of John (as well as the epistles attributed to the same author) seems to blur “ownership” of commandments. Let's look:

Mat 5:18 “For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
Mat 5:19 “Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
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Mat 19:17 And He said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.” [speaking of the OT Law]
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Mat 22:40 “On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.”
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1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God.
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Rev 12:17 So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.
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Rev 14:12 Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.

As you can see, in other books of the NT, even Paul's, the focus is on God's commandments. But the author of the Gospel of John and the Epistles of John “blur” the lines.

Joh 14:15 “If you love Me[Jesus], you will keep My commandments.
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Joh 14:21 “He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him.”
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Joh 15:10 “If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love
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1Jn 2:1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous;
1Jn 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
1Jn 2:3 By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments.

As you can see, the writer of the GoJ and 1 John transferred from God's commandments to Yahshua's commandments. Why?

[Not3in1]

KJ, very curious indeed.

Could it be because the gospel of John has it's foundations in the prologue which for many, is the evidence that Jesus IS God?

Thanks for all the verses on the Commandments – as you know we are discussing this with some energy in other threads.

[charity]

Hey Kejonn; can ya see this wicked twist of words and meaning?
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.  
Mat 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

I guess ….sown in weckness risen in power

[charity]

Nope DEAR John is not of the church of Philadelphia

Rev 3:7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;

Only one mention of David in the whole gospal; most surly not a follower of the roots of Christ;

Jhn 7:42 Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?  

Jhn 7:49  But this people who (knoweth not the law) are cursed.

Jhn 7:50  Nicodemus saith unto them, (he that came to Jesus by night, being one of them,)
51  Doth our law judge [any] man, before it hear him, and know what he doeth? 52  They answered and said unto him, Art thou also of Galilee? Search, and look: for out of Galilee “ariseth no prophet”
53 ¶ And every man went unto his own house.

Seeing that the writer of Johns gospal may not  like this…. A prophet for he will declear that GOD IS God and the Man from the far counrty is whom he has raised up to rule
and seven sherperds and eight principle men; shall come forth against them that are treading in the palaces?

Mic 5:1 ¶ Now gather thyself in troops, O daughter of troops: he hath laid siege against us: they shall smite the judge of Israel with a rod upon the cheek. 2 ¶ But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, [though] thou be little among the thousands of Judah, [yet] out of thee shall he come forth unto me [that is] to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth [have been] from of old, from everlasting. 3  Therefore will he give them up, until the time [that] she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel. 4  And he shall stand and feed in the strength of the LORD, in the majesty of the name of the LORD his God; and they shall abide: for now shall he be great unto the ends of the earth. :5  And this [man] shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men.

Is 46; 9  Remember the former things of old: for I [am] God, and [there is] none else; God, and [there is] none like me, :10  (Declaring the end from the beginning,) and from ancient times (the things that are not [yet] done,) saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
11  Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken [it], I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed [it], I will also do it.

Isa 43:7  [Even] every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him. 8 ¶ Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, and the deaf that have ears. 9  Let all the nations be gathered together, and let the people be assembled: who among them can declare this, and shew us former things? let them bring forth their witnesses, that they may be justified: or let them hear, and say, [It is] truth.

Isa 41:1 ¶ Keep silence before me, O islands; and let the people renew [their] strength: let them come near; then let them speak: let us come near together to judgment.
:2  Who raised up the righteous [man] from the east, called him to his foot, gave the nations before him, and made [him] rule over kings? he gave [them] as the dust to his sword, [and] as driven stubble to his bow. :3  He pursued them, [and] passed safely; [even] by the way [that] he had not gone with his feet. :4  Who hath wrought and done [it], calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I [am] he.Act 13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the [son] of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will.
Lo I come in volume of book; to do your work lord; a body hast thou prepared for men; a man child; and a prophet.

[michaels]

even john is a man, and God says let every man be a liar,but God the truth,is not jesus GOD,he is the word,the everlasting father,the mighty GOD,wonderful , councler,immanuel,he is one with GOD,the son of GOD,he is the TRUTH,and if ye knew the TRUTH, dont you think he would manifest himself to you ?,we have seen him and know the TRUTH !,me still believe the writeings of john,more than any new test book.yet me believe the TRUTH above all,for he is the TRUTH,and me KNOW HIM.and have seen him.our FATHER!!!!

[michaels]

jesus loves you all and me love you all too,look to him for all things,do not be dismayed,for GOD is the TRUTH,he will show YOU all things,look to him and not your own understanding for he is the TRUTH.me dont have to defend john, or my GOD for he is the TRUTH,and his WORD will not go out void.

[michaels]

still just one GOD,only one FATHER,yet jesus is in him.

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