[GOLD REFINED IN THE FIRE

[journey42]

Acts 20:28   Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Who purchased the church of God?
That's right.  Christ did.  HE PAID THE PRICE

Ephesians 1:10   That in the dispensation of the fullness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth, even in him.

Ephesians 1:11  In whom we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will.
Ephesians 1:13  In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also, after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise,
Ephesians 1:14   Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

So if we believe, we receive the holy spirit of PROMISE.  A Promise that we will receive our INHERITANCE.  We havn't received the inheritance yet, because we are still flesh, and we have not been in heaven and seen God face to face like the angels.  We have not seen and talked to Christ either.  Things we receive now are called gifts. What comes later is our inheritance. The holy spirit is like Christ making a down payment on his promise… this gives security to us and Christ also.  We cannot be sold to any other now….  Christ will then fully redeem us for himself at his coming, …so in other words collect what he has purchased.  His prize possession, his church.

Remember Christ purchased the church with his own blood?

Revelation 3:18   I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

Why is he selling it now?  wasn't it free, already paid for?  Why should we buy it?  Who is he talking to?

Rev 3:16   So then because thou art luke-warm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew thee out of my mouth.
Rev 3:17   Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing, and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked.  

Revelation 3:18   I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

Christ is a bit harsh on these ones.  For some reason they didn't take that free gift.  He is not happy with their works. They are all those things he said above. They are naked. No truth to cover them, all sins uncovered, poor (no knowledge) and there's no down payment (holy spirit).

There will be a day coming soon when God will seal his 144,000.  This will happen right before the seven trumpets start to sound.  Maybe even before the false prophet shows his face.  This is soon my brethren.  The 144,000 will be the ones who have fed on Christ's flesh.  They are covered. They have followed the lamb wheresoever he goes.  They are prepared to even die for him.  They obeyed his commandments and they are ready.  They are alive now.  They washed their robes clean during this life.  They sacrificed all for the Lord, did what he commanded them.
…But the rest did not take this FREE GIFT when it was offered, therefore they are lukewarm, professing to be with Christ, but also joined to the world (Babylon).  But still he has a little mercy on them, but now they have to BUY this gold that has been refined in the fire already (Christ) It is not free anymore, they now have to go through that fire themselves to prove they can enter by washing their robes clean.  NOW IS THE TIME THEY HAVE TO SACRIFICE.  Now they have to get rid of that filth, and they will be tested now to see if they are prepared to go through tribulation, and persecution for HIS sake. for they have missed out on being sealed and being included in that number, because they missed out on receiving that down payment, they were not sealed with the holy spirit of promise.  But still one last chance.

Proverbs 23:23   Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.

All that money you made selling the Word of God through your books, and video's, teaching seminars, colleges, all that money you took off the poor to fill your own pockets, you will most definitely pay every cent back.  Now you have to buy back your own salvation.   You will now be tested when that day of decision comes.  You of the last generation can only be redeemed now by refusing the mark of the beast.  If you are strong, you can buy back your freedom you lukewarmers, because your robes are still dirty.

The Israelites, the original ones to sell their Messiah for 30 pieces of silver (Judas) will have to buy back their salvation also.  They will purchase it a different way.  They will go through the most horrible tribulation and suffer at the hands of their enemies, they will also go through the seven trumpets, receiving all the plagues.  Their wives will be ravished and their children killed.  They will see death like they have never seen it before.  They will be afflicted more than anyone, and although it makes me sad, there will be a light at the end of the tunnel for them when Christ comes and delivers them, and forgives them, and starts fresh with them again for his Father's sake, because they were the first in the womb.

Isaiah 46:3   Hearken unto me, O house of Jacob, and all the remnant of the house of Israel, which are borne by me from the belly, which are carried from the womb:

Zechariah 13:9   And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

Can anyone see the difference now of Christ purchasing us, versus us having to purchase Christ?

[Wakeup]

Hi journey.

Maybe it looks like a riddle to them.
Too much overload.

wakeup.

[abe]

Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 14 2013,20:29)

Acts 20:28   Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. Who purchased the church of God? That's right.  Christ did.  HE PAID THE PRICE Ephesians 1:10   That in the dispensation of the fullness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth, even in him. Ephesians 1:11  In whom we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will. Ephesians 1:13  In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also, after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise, Ephesians 1:14   Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. So if we believe, we receive the holy spirit of PROMISE.  A Promise that we will receive our INHERITANCE.  We havn't received the inheritance yet, because we are still flesh, and we have not been in heaven and seen God face to face like the angels.  We have not seen and talked to Christ either.  Things we receive now are called gifts. What comes later is our inheritance. The holy spirit is like Christ making a down payment on his promise… this gives security to us and Christ also.  We cannot be sold to any other now….  Christ will then fully redeem us for himself at his coming, …so in other words collect what he has purchased.  His prize possession, his church. Remember Christ purchased the church with his own blood? Revelation 3:18   I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. Why is he selling it now?  wasn't it free, already paid for?  Why should we buy it?  Who is he talking to? Rev 3:16   So then because thou art luke-warm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew thee out of my mouth. Rev 3:17   Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing, and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked.   Revelation 3:18   I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. Christ is a bit harsh on these ones.  For some reason they didn't take that free gift.  He is not happy with their works. They are all those things he said above. They are naked. No truth to cover them, all sins uncovered, poor (no knowledge) and there's no down payment (holy spirit). There will be a day coming soon when God will seal his 144,000.  This will happen right before the seven trumpets start to sound.  Maybe even before the false prophet shows his face.  This is soon my brethren.  The 144,000 will be the ones who have fed on Christ's flesh.  They are covered. They have followed the lamb wheresoever he goes.  They are prepared to even die for him.  They obeyed his commandments and they are ready.  They are alive now.  They washed their robes clean during this life.  They sacrificed all for the Lord, did what he commanded them. …But the rest did not take this FREE GIFT when it was offered, therefore they are lukewarm, professing to be with Christ, but also joined to the world (Babylon).  But still he has a little mercy on them, but now they have to BUY this gold that has been refined in the fire already (Christ) It is not free anymore, they now have to go through that fire themselves to prove they can enter by washing their robes clean.  NOW IS THE TIME THEY HAVE TO SACRIFICE.  Now they have to get rid of that filth, and they will be tested now to see if they are prepared to go through tribulation, and persecution for HIS sake. for they have missed out on being sealed and being included in that number, because they missed out on receiving that down payment, they were not sealed with the holy spirit of promise.  But still one last chance. Proverbs 23:23   Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding. All that money you made selling the Word of God through your books, and video's, teaching seminars, colleges, all that money you took off the poor to fill your own pockets, you will most definitely pay every cent back.  Now you have to buy back your own salvation.   You will now be tested when that day of decision comes.  You of the last generation can only be redeemed now by refusing the mark of the beast.  If you are strong, you can buy back your freedom you lukewarmers, because your robes are still dirty. The Israelites, the original ones to sell their Messiah for 30 pieces of silver (Judas) will have to buy back their salvation also.  They will purchase it a different way.  They will go through the most horrible tribulation and suffer at the hands of their enemies, they will also go through the seven trumpets, receiving all the plagues.  Their wives will be ravished and their children killed.  They will see death like they have never seen it before.  They will be afflicted more than anyone, and although it makes me sad, there will be a light at the end of the tunnel for them when Christ comes and delivers them, and forgives them, and starts fresh with them again for his Father's sake, because they were the first in the womb. Isaiah 46:3   Hearken unto me, O house of Jacob, and all the remnant of the house of Israel, which are borne by me from the belly, which are carried from the womb: Zechariah 13:9   And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God. Can anyone see the difference now of Christ purchasing us, versus us having to purchase Christ?

Hi J42,

There will be a day coming soon when God will seal his 144,000.  This will happen right before the seven trumpets start to sound.

Why do you say the day is coming?

Rom.8:23 And not only this, but also we ourselves, HAVING the FIRST FRUITS of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body.

Eph.4:30 Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God,
by whom you were SEALED for the day of redemption.

Eph.1:13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation– having also believed, you were SEALED in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,

Peace……

[journey42]

Quote (abe @ Feb. 16 2013,18:04)

Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 14 2013,20:29) Acts 20:28   Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. Who purchased the church of God? That's right.  Christ did.  HE PAID THE PRICE Ephesians 1:10   That in the dispensation of the fullness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth, even in him. Ephesians 1:11  In whom we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will. Ephesians 1:13  In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also, after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise, Ephesians 1:14   Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. So if we believe, we receive the holy spirit of PROMISE.  A Promise that we will receive our INHERITANCE.  We havn't received the inheritance yet, because we are still flesh, and we have not been in heaven and seen God face to face like the angels.  We have not seen and talked to Christ either.  Things we receive now are called gifts. What comes later is our inheritance. The holy spirit is like Christ making a down payment on his promise… this gives security to us and Christ also.  We cannot be sold to any other now….  Christ will then fully redeem us for himself at his coming, …so in other words collect what he has purchased.  His prize possession, his church. Remember Christ purchased the church with his own blood? Revelation 3:18   I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. Why is he selling it now?  wasn't it free, already paid for?  Why should we buy it?  Who is he talking to? Rev 3:16   So then because thou art luke-warm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew thee out of my mouth. Rev 3:17   Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing, and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked.   Revelation 3:18   I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. Christ is a bit harsh on these ones.  For some reason they didn't take that free gift.  He is not happy with their works. They are all those things he said above. They are naked. No truth to cover them, all sins uncovered, poor (no knowledge) and there's no down payment (holy spirit). There will be a day coming soon when God will seal his 144,000.  This will happen right before the seven trumpets start to sound.  Maybe even before the false prophet shows his face.  This is soon my brethren.  The 144,000 will be the ones who have fed on Christ's flesh.  They are covered. They have followed the lamb wheresoever he goes.  They are prepared to even die for him.  They obeyed his commandments and they are ready.  They are alive now.  They washed their robes clean during this life.  They sacrificed all for the Lord, did what he commanded them. …But the rest did not take this FREE GIFT when it was offered, therefore they are lukewarm, professing to be with Christ, but also joined to the world (Babylon).  But still he has a little mercy on them, but now they have to BUY this gold that has been refined in the fire already (Christ) It is not free anymore, they now have to go through that fire themselves to prove they can enter by washing their robes clean.  NOW IS THE TIME THEY HAVE TO SACRIFICE.  Now they have to get rid of that filth, and they will be tested now to see if they are prepared to go through tribulation, and persecution for HIS sake. for they have missed out on being sealed and being included in that number, because they missed out on receiving that down payment, they were not sealed with the holy spirit of promise.  But still one last chance. Proverbs 23:23   Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding. All that money you made selling the Word of God through your books, and video's, teaching seminars, colleges, all that money you took off the poor to fill your own pockets, you will most definitely pay every cent back.  Now you have to buy back your own salvation.   You will now be tested when that day of decision comes.  You of the last generation can only be redeemed now by refusing the mark of the beast.  If you are strong, you can buy back your freedom you lukewarmers, because your robes are still dirty. The Israelites, the original ones to sell their Messiah for 30 pieces of silver (Judas) will have to buy back their salvation also.  They will purchase it a different way.  They will go through the most horrible tribulation and suffer at the hands of their enemies, they will also go through the seven trumpets, receiving all the plagues.  Their wives will be ravished and their children killed.  They will see death like they have never seen it before.  They will be afflicted more than anyone, and although it makes me sad, there will be a light at the end of the tunnel for them when Christ comes and delivers them, and forgives them, and starts fresh with them again for his Father's sake, because they were the first in the womb. Isaiah 46:3   Hearken unto me, O house of Jacob, and all the remnant of the house of Israel, which are borne by me from the belly, which are carried from the womb: Zechariah 13:9   And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God. Can anyone see the difference now of Christ purchasing us, versus us having to purchase Christ? Hi J42, There will be a day coming soon when God will seal his 144,000.  This will happen right before the seven trumpets start to sound. Why do you say the day is coming? Rom.8:23    And not only this, but also we ourselves,   HAVING    the    FIRST FRUITS    of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body. Eph.4:30    Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were   SEALED   for the day of redemption. Eph.1:13    In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation– having also believed, you were   SEALED   in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, Peace……

Hi Abe

Because I recognise the signs of the times. I know the false prophet is making his grand entrance soon. He has Satan inside him, and Satan hates God, Christ and their followers. This is Satan's plan to persecute Christians, again, but in a big global way. The false prophet is his puppet. His speaker, but he is inside him.

[Wakeup]

Quote (abe @ Feb. 16 2013,18:04)

Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 14 2013,20:29) Acts 20:28   Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. Who purchased the church of God? That's right.  Christ did.  HE PAID THE PRICE Ephesians 1:10   That in the dispensation of the fullness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth, even in him. Ephesians 1:11  In whom we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will. Ephesians 1:13  In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also, after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise, Ephesians 1:14   Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. So if we believe, we receive the holy spirit of PROMISE.  A Promise that we will receive our INHERITANCE.  We havn't received the inheritance yet, because we are still flesh, and we have not been in heaven and seen God face to face like the angels.  We have not seen and talked to Christ either.  Things we receive now are called gifts. What comes later is our inheritance. The holy spirit is like Christ making a down payment on his promise… this gives security to us and Christ also.  We cannot be sold to any other now….  Christ will then fully redeem us for himself at his coming, …so in other words collect what he has purchased.  His prize possession, his church. Remember Christ purchased the church with his own blood? Revelation 3:18   I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. Why is he selling it now?  wasn't it free, already paid for?  Why should we buy it?  Who is he talking to? Rev 3:16   So then because thou art luke-warm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew thee out of my mouth. Rev 3:17   Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing, and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked.   Revelation 3:18   I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. Christ is a bit harsh on these ones.  For some reason they didn't take that free gift.  He is not happy with their works. They are all those things he said above. They are naked. No truth to cover them, all sins uncovered, poor (no knowledge) and there's no down payment (holy spirit). There will be a day coming soon when God will seal his 144,000.  This will happen right before the seven trumpets start to sound.  Maybe even before the false prophet shows his face.  This is soon my brethren.  The 144,000 will be the ones who have fed on Christ's flesh.  They are covered. They have followed the lamb wheresoever he goes.  They are prepared to even die for him.  They obeyed his commandments and they are ready.  They are alive now.  They washed their robes clean during this life.  They sacrificed all for the Lord, did what he commanded them. …But the rest did not take this FREE GIFT when it was offered, therefore they are lukewarm, professing to be with Christ, but also joined to the world (Babylon).  But still he has a little mercy on them, but now they have to BUY this gold that has been refined in the fire already (Christ) It is not free anymore, they now have to go through that fire themselves to prove they can enter by washing their robes clean.  NOW IS THE TIME THEY HAVE TO SACRIFICE.  Now they have to get rid of that filth, and they will be tested now to see if they are prepared to go through tribulation, and persecution for HIS sake. for they have missed out on being sealed and being included in that number, because they missed out on receiving that down payment, they were not sealed with the holy spirit of promise.  But still one last chance. Proverbs 23:23   Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding. All that money you made selling the Word of God through your books, and video's, teaching seminars, colleges, all that money you took off the poor to fill your own pockets, you will most definitely pay every cent back.  Now you have to buy back your own salvation.   You will now be tested when that day of decision comes.  You of the last generation can only be redeemed now by refusing the mark of the beast.  If you are strong, you can buy back your freedom you lukewarmers, because your robes are still dirty. The Israelites, the original ones to sell their Messiah for 30 pieces of silver (Judas) will have to buy back their salvation also.  They will purchase it a different way.  They will go through the most horrible tribulation and suffer at the hands of their enemies, they will also go through the seven trumpets, receiving all the plagues.  Their wives will be ravished and their children killed.  They will see death like they have never seen it before.  They will be afflicted more than anyone, and although it makes me sad, there will be a light at the end of the tunnel for them when Christ comes and delivers them, and forgives them, and starts fresh with them again for his Father's sake, because they were the first in the womb. Isaiah 46:3   Hearken unto me, O house of Jacob, and all the remnant of the house of Israel, which are borne by me from the belly, which are carried from the womb: Zechariah 13:9   And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God. Can anyone see the difference now of Christ purchasing us, versus us having to purchase Christ? Hi J42, There will be a day coming soon when God will seal his 144,000.  This will happen right before the seven trumpets start to sound. Why do you say the day is coming? Rom.8:23    And not only this, but also we ourselves,   HAVING    the    FIRST FRUITS    of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body. Eph.4:30    Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were   SEALED   for the day of redemption. Eph.1:13    In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation– having also believed, you were   SEALED   in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, Peace……

Hi Abe.

You are learning.

QUOTE:
There will be a day coming soon when God will seal his 144,000. This will happen right before the seven trumpets start to sound. UNQUOTE

THE SEALING OF THE 144000 WILL BE BEFORE THE *1ST* TRUMPET SOUNDS.

Why do you say the day is coming?UNQUOTE.

BECAUSE ITS IS NEAR FUTURE.

Rom.8:23 And not only this, but also we ourselves, HAVING the FIRST FRUITS of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body.UNQUOTE.

WE; AS OF THE APOSTLES. THEY ARE THE FIRST;THEY ARE IN HEAVEN NOW.THEY ARE THE ELDERS.REV.4:10.

Eph.4:30 Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were SEALED for the day of redemption.
UNQUOTE.

GRIEVE THE HOLY SPIRIT BY GOING ASTRAY.

Eph.1:13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation– having also believed, you were SEALED in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,UNQUOTE.

BELIEVE IN TRUTH,AND IN DEEDS.
THEY ARE THE 144000 SEALED,WHO FOLLOWS THE LAMB WHERESOEVER HE GOES.NOT MANY HAS DONE THIS.

WHAT ABOUT THE REST THAT ALSO BELIEVED?
THEY BELIEVED ,BUT NOT IN TRUTH,THEREFORE THEY HAVE TO BE TRIED BY FIRE. THE TRIBULATION.
THEY HAVE TO MAKE A VERY DIFFICULT DECISION.

LET YOUR FAMILY GO HUNGRY AND REFUSE THE MARK OF THE BEAST; OR JUST TAKE THE MARK, AND BE FILLED
WITH BREAD. SELLING YOUR INHERITANCE FOR BREAD,LIKE ESAU DID.

wakeup.

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
You say
WE; AS OF THE APOSTLES. THEY ARE THE FIRST;THEY ARE IN HEAVEN NOW.THEY ARE THE ELDERS.REV.4:10.

Any evidence?

[Wakeup]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 12 2014,19:15)

Hi WU, You say WE; AS OF THE APOSTLES. THEY ARE THE FIRST;THEY ARE IN HEAVEN NOW.THEY ARE THE ELDERS.REV.4:10. Any evidence?

Nick.

Rev.4:10.11.

wakeup.

[NickHassan]

Quote (Wakeup @ April 12 2014,20:23)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 12 2014,19:15) Hi WU, You say WE; AS OF THE APOSTLES. THEY ARE THE FIRST;THEY ARE IN HEAVEN NOW.THEY ARE THE ELDERS.REV.4:10. Any evidence? Nick. Rev.4:10.11. wakeup.

Hi Wu,
We know there are elders in heaven.
You offer this as evidence they are apostles??

Rev 4
The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,

How about some evidence

[Wakeup]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 13 2014,05:44)

Quote (Wakeup @ April 12 2014,20:23) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 12 2014,19:15) Hi WU, You say WE; AS OF THE APOSTLES. THEY ARE THE FIRST;THEY ARE IN HEAVEN NOW.THEY ARE THE ELDERS.REV.4:10. Any evidence? Nick. Rev.4:10.11. wakeup. Hi Wu, We know there are elders in heaven. You offer this as evidence they are apostles?? Rev 4 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, How about some evidence

Nick.

I have given you scriptures;but you can not see.
Jesus speaking to the apostles:

Matthew 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory,

***ye also shall sit upon *twelve thrones*, judging the twelve
tribes of Israel***.

Luke 22:30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, ***and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel***.

wakeup.

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
Where will these thrones be?
In heaven-no.

So how can this relate?

[Wakeup]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 13 2014,10:46)

Hi WU, Where will these thrones be? In heaven-no. So how can this relate?

Nick.

They are in thrones in heaven,and will be in thrones
judging the tribes in the future kingdom.
The second judgement.

wakeeup.

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
So where will this SECOND judgement be?
Scriptures please

[Wakeup]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 13 2014,14:16)

Hi WU, So where will this SECOND judgement be? Scriptures please

Just get behind me.

wakeup.

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
Do you mean the tribunal of Christ as the first judgement?
2Cor 5.10

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