Gog Magog

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 17 2013,08:41)

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 17 2013,13:13) Ed, I went through a small stage a while back of thinking (due to those verse of Jesus saying that HE would come (after saying that the Holy Spirit would come) of thinking that Jesus was the Holy Spirit. Just saying. Hi 2Besee, Jesus' FATHER is the HolySpirit. (Matt.1:18) Jesus spirit is the “spirit of Christ”. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

Mt 1:18 This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit.
Lk 10:21 At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure.
Ac 1:2 until the day he was taken up to heaven, after giving instructions through the Holy Spirit to the apostles he had chosen.

can you explain how the holy spirit his the FATHER OF CHRIST ?

[2besee]

Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 17 2013,16:22)

Thanks 2Besse Yes being on the internet does take up a lot of our time.  My husband hates me on it.  He says you love that thing more than us.  I don't love the internet, I just love God more than anyone else.  I love his scriptures, I love his words, I love discussing, love people that love him,  and I love stirring up people to go deeper into the scriptures.  I would rather speak to someone in person any day. Regarding family, I think of this verse Matthew 10:37   He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Once we get our priorities right, God first, then everything falls into place.  My children are good children and they feel very loved and nurtured.  My husband is not interested in spiritual things unfortunately. But in all honesty, I think it's a good thing, this chat site, because if someone asks us a question then we have to learn how to answer.  We have to look up scriptures and search, and it keeps our noses in the Word of God.  Whilst searching we may find things we were not even looking for. The internet is just a tool for us to communicate.  We all live on different sides of the world, yet we come together in discussion on the one thing closest to our hearts.  I think that's a great thing because If I tried to talk to my neighbours they'd tell me where to go!  My relations never mention the word “God” in front of me because they don't want to hear it, but they are happy to say Christ's name in vain.  It's so sad. I'm glad that you are searching and sticking to yourself.  We are all peculiar people.  Loners.  I think God likes that about us.  I'm sorry to hear that your true sense of peace and spirit have been taken away from being on here, and I'm sorry if I've ever made you feel this way. This site will bring out the best and the worst in us.  We will be put to the maximum test.  We can also learn to exercise patience, perseverence, and above all love, no matter what.  It's not a contest of who knows the most.  You see there have been many on this site for years, saying this and that, then someone comes on and says, no you are wrong.  It doesn't go down well.  I rarely ever hear anyone say, I've never heard of that before, that's very interesting, or wow, it makes sense, or I'll look into it.  You have, and I like that about you, and Mike too.  I love humble people.  Don't loose what you've got 2Besse.  Don't make this site harden you.  God only wants to add more to you. love to you in Christ Journey.

Hi Journey,
No, not this forum, this forum seems okay, I have been on forums for years now and just surfing the net, and one thing I have come to realize is that real life is much more important than seeking through discussion on Internet forums or church even. I have witnessed through knowing a few other people that anyone can have any amount of knowledge – hey hey even Satan knows scripture – but what is deep down underneath it all only God knows. We live in a world where sin is acceptable and we have Christians who also believe that sin is acceptable and so they keep their scriptural knowledge secret from their friends and from the world while preaching through Internet forums so, their light has gone out, almost. The only good that I think I can see in forums is perhaps meeting someone who needs rescuing from these things, but, even then they may push one away as easily as 'ignoring' the one thing that could help save them. Okay, I suppose I am getting personal here to do with my own personal life, but we only have this one time to get it right and to use what God has given us, and one thing that I know, a computer screen is not real life. I am speaking from experience.

'Open thy eyes to the world which is in desperate need today of true light'.

[Ed J]

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Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 17 2013,08:41) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 17 2013,13:13) Ed, I went through a small stage a while back of thinking (due to those verse of Jesus saying that HE would come (after saying that the Holy Spirit would come) of thinking that Jesus was the Holy Spirit. Just saying. Hi 2Besee, Jesus' FATHER is the HolySpirit. (Matt.1:18) Jesus spirit is the “spirit of Christ”. God bless Ed J edj Mt 1:18 This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit. Lk 10:21 At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure. Ac 1:2 until the day he was taken up to heaven, after giving instructions through the Holy Spirit to the apostles he had chosen. can you explain how the holy spirit his the FATHER OF CHRIST ?

Hi Pierre,

Here is the account:
“she was found with child of the Holy Spirit”  (Matt 1:18)
Certainly you are not asking me to explain just EXACTLY
HOW (by what mechanism) the conception took place.

Do the math:
Son of “Holy Spirit” … (Matt.1:18)
Son of “God” ………… (Luke 1:35)
“Holy Spirit is God” … (Acts 5:3-4)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Wakeup]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2013,13:54)

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 17 2013,12:59) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2013,09:41) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 06 2013,16:59) Gog and Magog is the whole world. 2Besee. What world? Is it this world as of the last 2000yrs,or after the second coming? wakeup. Hi Wakeup, The world that we are now living in, this generation. THank you besee. Second questions: Regarding Gog and Magog:  Is this world generation. 1. Where would be the camp of the saints today? 2. Is not Jesus coming next? Why not mntioned in rev20. 3  If so,then why would God be personally involved in destroying satan.(rev.19.says otherwise). 4. Jesus is coming to destroy the beast and the false prophet;whats going on here? 5.Why are the dead burried in the valley of hamongog,instead of the valley of hinom? 6. Why is it called Gog and Magog ; and not Armageddon? 7.What is the need of the second coming,if the world is going to be melted? 8. Where would isaiah 11:6–11.  65:17–25. Fit in this whole scenario, if the earth is going to be melted down? All these questions needs to be answered, if that doctrine is to be accepted. wakeup.

Hello 2Beseee are you there?
Please come out 2besee. Are you busy?

wakeup.

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 17 2013,18:02)

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 17 2013,16:53) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 17 2013,08:41) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 17 2013,13:13) Ed, I went through a small stage a while back of thinking (due to those verse of Jesus saying that HE would come (after saying that the Holy Spirit would come) of thinking that Jesus was the Holy Spirit. Just saying. Hi 2Besee, Jesus' FATHER is the HolySpirit. (Matt.1:18) Jesus spirit is the “spirit of Christ”. God bless Ed J edj Mt 1:18 This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit. Lk 10:21 At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure. Ac 1:2 until the day he was taken up to heaven, after giving instructions through the Holy Spirit to the apostles he had chosen. can you explain how the holy spirit his the FATHER OF CHRIST ? Hi Pierre, Here is the account: “she was found with child of the Holy Spirit”  (Matt 1:18) Certainly you are not asking me to explain just EXACTLY HOW (by what mechanism) the conception took place. Do the math: Son of “Holy Spirit” … (Matt.1:18) Son of “God” ………… (Luke 1:35) “Holy Spirit is God” … (Acts 5:3-4) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Pierre,

Always go to the Greek, not corrupted English perversions.

“του δε ιησου χριστου η γεννησις ουτως ην μνηστευθεισης
γαρ της μητρος αυτου μαριας τω ιωσηφ πριν η συνελθειν
αυτους ευρεθη εν γαστρι εχουσα εκ πνευματος αγιου”    (John 1:18)
She was found impregnated from the Holy Spirit.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[2besee]

Hi Wakeup!

Busy watching a movie at the moment.

I am tired of questions ATM.

Perhaps in a few day, okay.

[Wakeup]

Please COMPARE THE TWO: ARE THEY THE SAME?

Revelation 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

Revelation 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Revelation 16:13 And I saw *three unclean* spirits like *frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon*, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the *false prophet*.

Revelation 16:14 For they are the *spirits of devils*, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Revelation 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. **Blessed is he that watcheth**, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk *naked*, and they see his shame.

Revelation 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue **Armageddon**.

Revelation 16:17 And the *seventh angel* poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying,IT IS DONE.
REV.16.
COMPARE—————
REV.20.

Revelation 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, **Gog and Magog**, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the *sand of the sea*.

Revelation 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the *camp of the saints* about, and *the beloved city*: and fire came down **from God out of heaven**, and devoured them.

Revelation 20:10 And **the devil** that deceived them was cast into the *lake of fire and brimstone*, **WHERE THE BEAST AND THE FALSE PROPHET ARE**, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great *white throne*, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. (GOD HIMSELF JUDGING).

wakeup

[2besee]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2013,20:52)

Revelation 16:13   And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.  Revelation 16:14   For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Wakeup, this is happening now. I have already explained my belief. The three unclean spirits “like frogs” that come out of the mouth of the dragon, the beast, and the false prophet, are SPIRITS (watch “Kundalini Warning by Andrew Strom” – and then learn about subliminal messaging through music, etc – and what the third is, I do not know, yet).  These spirits will “deceive the whole world” – “now” (it has begun) – into a state of 'false happiness', and this false happiness will turn bad – and what happens – I do not know. But I do know that the time has been cut short (sped up) for the sake of the elect, otherwise, even they would be deceived.

Don't ask me to piece together the book of Revelations because I cannot.

[2besee]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2013,20:52)

Please COMPARE THE TWO: ARE THEY THE SAME? Revelation 16:13   And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.  Revelation 16:14   For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. Revelation 16:13   And I saw *three unclean* spirits like *frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon*, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the *false prophet*.  Revelation 16:14   For they are the *spirits of devils*, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.  Revelation 16:15   Behold, I come as a thief. **Blessed is he that watcheth**, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk *naked*, and they see his shame.  Revelation 16:16   And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue **Armageddon**.  Revelation 16:17   And the *seventh angel* poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying,IT IS DONE.                                        REV.16.           COMPARE—————                                                                REV.20.  Revelation 20:8   And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, **Gog and Magog**, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the *sand of the sea*.  Revelation 20:9   And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the *camp of the saints* about, and *the beloved city*: and fire came down **from God out of heaven**, and devoured them.  Revelation 20:10   And **the devil** that deceived them was cast into the *lake of fire and brimstone*, **WHERE THE BEAST AND THE FALSE PROPHET ARE**, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.  Revelation 20:11   And I saw a great *white throne*, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.  (GOD HIMSELF JUDGING). wakeup

Wakeup, YES, these two chapters are describing the same event.

[2besee]

The book is not in chronological order and things are repeated (reiterated).

[2besee]

The camp of the saints is most likely the true believers on the earth where ever they may be, while the beloved city (also the camp of the saints – which is one with the believers on earth) is the heavenly Jerusalem coming down from Heaven, and it is Jesus coming with the saints.

“Behold, the Lord came with his holy myriads, to execute judgment on all, and to convict all the ungodly of all their deeds of ungodliness which they have committed in such an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”  (Jude)

“And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.”

“And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?” Joel 2:11.

[Wakeup]

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 17 2013,19:22)

The book is not in chronological order and things are repeated (reiterated).

2Besee.

You still can not see the difference.
I can not make you see.
Maybe the time will come when you also will see.

wakeup.

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 17 2013,18:02)

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 17 2013,16:53) edj can you explain how the holy spirit his the FATHER OF CHRIST ? Hi Pierre, Here is the account: “she was found with child of the Holy Spirit”  (Matt 1:18) Do the math: Son of “Holy Spirit” … (Matt.1:18) Son of “God” ………… (Luke 1:35) “Holy Spirit is God” … (Acts 5:3-4) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Pierre?

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 19 2013,00:20)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 17 2013,18:02) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 17 2013,16:53) edj can you explain how the holy spirit his the FATHER OF CHRIST ? Hi Pierre, Here is the account: “she was found with child of the Holy Spirit”  (Matt 1:18) Do the math: Son of “Holy Spirit” … (Matt.1:18) Son of “God” ………… (Luke 1:35) “Holy Spirit is God” … (Acts 5:3-4) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Pierre?

edj

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Son of “Holy Spirit” … (Matt.1:18) Son of “God” ………… (Luke 1:35) “Holy Spirit is God” … (Acts 5:3-4)

1)Son of “Holy Spirit” … (Matt.1:18)
, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit.

2)Son of “God” ………… (Luke 1:35)
Lk 1:30 But the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, you have found favor with God.
Lk 1:31 You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus.
Lk 1:32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David,

3) “Holy Spirit is God” … (Acts 5:3-4)

Ac 5:3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land?
Ac 5:4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied to men but to God.”

you are wrong on all three accounts ,Christ his born THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT ,THE HOLY SPIRIT HIS GOD'S TOOL ,NOT HIS BEING '

AND IN ACT 5 ;THE COUPLE HAVE PLEDGE THEMSELF TO GOD DID THEY NOT YES ,WELL THEN ;

Jn 4:24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.”

DID THEY FOLLOW THIS COMMAND FROM CHRIST no THEY LIED , AND SO ;

Jn 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.

SO WAS JUSTICE DONE BY WHOM BY GOD BUT BASED ON THE VERDICT OF CHRIST ,BECAUSE THEY DID NOT BELIEVE HIM

[Ed J]

Hi Pierre,

Please explain how one goes about blaspheming “a tool”?
                  (The dang-blasted-hammer?)

Luke 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him:
but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Spirit (speaketh against the Holy Spirit), it
shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. (Mt.12:32)

“Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a
hammer that breaketh the [fake rock] in pieces?” (Jer 23:29)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 19 2013,05:11)

Hi Pierre, Please explain how one goes about blaspheming “a tool”?                   (The dang-blasted-hammer?) Luke 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Spirit (speaketh against the Holy Spirit), it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. (Mt.12:32) “Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the [fake rock] in pieces?” (Jer 23:29) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

if you are drowning and I send you a rope ,tell how would you blaspheme that rope ?

The word “blasphemy” came via Middle English blasfemen and Old French blasfemer and Late Latin blasphemare from Greek βλασφημέω, from βλάπτω = “I injure” and φήμη = “reputation”. From blasphemare also came Old French blasmer, from which English “blame” came. Blasphemy: 'from Gk. blasphemia “a speaking ill, impious speech, slander,” from blasphemein “to speak evil of.”'[8] “In the sense of speaking evil of God this word is found in Ps. 74:18; Isa. 52:5; Rom. 2:24; Rev. 13:1, 6; 16:9, 11, 21. It denotes also any kind of calumny, or evil-speaking, or abuse (1 Kings 21:10 LXX; Acts 13:45; 18:6, etc.).”[9]

angels are also God's tool ,so is his creation

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 19 2013,10:54)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 19 2013,05:11) Hi Pierre, Please explain how one goes about blaspheming “a tool”?                   (The dang-blasted-hammer?) Luke 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Spirit (speaketh against the Holy Spirit), it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. (Mt.12:32) “Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the [fake rock] in pieces?” (Jer 23:29) God bless Ed J edj if you are drowning and I send you a rope ,tell how would you blaspheme that rope ? The word “blasphemy” came via Middle English blasfemen and Old French blasfemer and Late Latin blasphemare from Greek βλασφημέω, from βλάπτω = “I injure” and φήμη = “reputation”. From blasphemare also came Old French blasmer, from which English “blame” came. Blasphemy: 'from Gk. blasphemia “a speaking ill, impious speech, slander,” from blasphemein “to speak evil of.”'[8] “In the sense of speaking evil of God this word is found in Ps. 74:18; Isa. 52:5; Rom. 2:24; Rev. 13:1, 6; 16:9, 11, 21. It denotes also any kind of calumny, or evil-speaking, or abuse (1 Kings 21:10 LXX; Acts 13:45; 18:6, etc.).”[9] angels are also God's tool ,so is his creation

Hi Pierre,

Blasphemy against the HolySpirit, are you suggesting cannot happen?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 19 2013,10:53)

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 19 2013,10:54) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 19 2013,05:11) Hi Pierre, Please explain how one goes about blaspheming “a tool”?                   (The dang-blasted-hammer?) Luke 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Spirit (speaketh against the Holy Spirit), it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. (Mt.12:32) “Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the [fake rock] in pieces?” (Jer 23:29) God bless Ed J edj if you are drowning and I send you a rope ,tell how would you blaspheme that rope ? The word “blasphemy” came via Middle English blasfemen and Old French blasfemer and Late Latin blasphemare from Greek βλασφημέω, from βλάπτω = “I injure” and φήμη = “reputation”. From blasphemare also came Old French blasmer, from which English “blame” came. Blasphemy: 'from Gk. blasphemia “a speaking ill, impious speech, slander,” from blasphemein “to speak evil of.”'[8] “In the sense of speaking evil of God this word is found in Ps. 74:18; Isa. 52:5; Rom. 2:24; Rev. 13:1, 6; 16:9, 11, 21. It denotes also any kind of calumny, or evil-speaking, or abuse (1 Kings 21:10 LXX; Acts 13:45; 18:6, etc.).”[9] angels are also God's tool ,so is his creation Hi Pierre, Blasphemy against the HolySpirit, are you suggesting cannot happen? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Edj

Why would you change conversation ,it seems you do not understand my example ,it is simple ,if you curse the rope that will save you ,well then you die ,

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 19 2013,17:38)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 19 2013,10:53) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 19 2013,10:54) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 19 2013,05:11) Hi Pierre, Please explain how one goes about blaspheming “a tool”?                   (The dang-blasted-hammer?) Luke 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Spirit (speaketh against the Holy Spirit), it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. (Mt.12:32) “Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the [fake rock] in pieces?” (Jer 23:29) God bless Ed J edj if you are drowning and I send you a rope ,tell how would you blaspheme that rope ? The word “blasphemy” came via Middle English blasfemen and Old French blasfemer and Late Latin blasphemare from Greek βλασφημέω, from βλάπτω = “I injure” and φήμη = “reputation”. From blasphemare also came Old French blasmer, from which English “blame” came. Blasphemy: 'from Gk. blasphemia “a speaking ill, impious speech, slander,” from blasphemein “to speak evil of.”'[8] “In the sense of speaking evil of God this word is found in Ps. 74:18; Isa. 52:5; Rom. 2:24; Rev. 13:1, 6; 16:9, 11, 21. It denotes also any kind of calumny, or evil-speaking, or abuse (1 Kings 21:10 LXX; Acts 13:45; 18:6, etc.).”[9] angels are also God's tool ,so is his creation Hi Pierre, Blasphemy against the HolySpirit, are you suggesting cannot happen? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Edj Why would you change conversation ,it seems you do not understand my example ,it is simple ,if you curse the rope that will save you ,well then you die ,

You mean like saying: The dang-blasted-hammer?

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Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 19 2013,13:05)

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 19 2013,17:38) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 19 2013,10:53) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 19 2013,10:54) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 19 2013,05:11) Hi Pierre, Please explain how one goes about blaspheming “a tool”?                   (The dang-blasted-hammer?) Luke 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Spirit (speaketh against the Holy Spirit), it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. (Mt.12:32) “Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the [fake rock] in pieces?” (Jer 23:29) God bless Ed J edj if you are drowning and I send you a rope ,tell how would you blaspheme that rope ? The word “blasphemy” came via Middle English blasfemen and Old French blasfemer and Late Latin blasphemare from Greek βλασφημέω, from βλάπτω = “I injure” and φήμη = “reputation”. From blasphemare also came Old French blasmer, from which English “blame” came. Blasphemy: 'from Gk. blasphemia “a speaking ill, impious speech, slander,” from blasphemein “to speak evil of.”'[8] “In the sense of speaking evil of God this word is found in Ps. 74:18; Isa. 52:5; Rom. 2:24; Rev. 13:1, 6; 16:9, 11, 21. It denotes also any kind of calumny, or evil-speaking, or abuse (1 Kings 21:10 LXX; Acts 13:45; 18:6, etc.).”[9] angels are also God's tool ,so is his creation Hi Pierre, Blasphemy against the HolySpirit, are you suggesting cannot happen? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Edj Why would you change conversation ,it seems you do not understand my example ,it is simple ,if you curse the rope that will save you ,well then you die , You mean like saying: The dang-blasted-hammer?

No,rejecting the rope,

Rejecting God,s holy spirit ,wen it is offered to you,

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