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Quote What are you thinking of dating by radiocarbon methods? –stu
Yes, since my post repeatedly mentioned “The Carbon 14 Method” and “radio carbon 14” I would have thought it obvious, but yes.
It is one of the techniques of 'radiometric dating' that you endorse considered in the evolution thread:Quote How can something be ‘already so many billion years old when it was made’? Read about radiometric dating: ” target=”_blank”>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioisotope_dating%5B/QUOTE%5D
Quote (david @ April 03 2008,11:40) Quote What are you thinking of dating by radiocarbon methods? –stu
Yes, since my post repeatedly mentioned “The Carbon 14 Method” and “radio carbon 14” I would have thought it obvious, but yes.
It is one of the techniques of 'radiometric dating' that you endorse considered in the evolution thread:Quote How can something be ‘already so many billion years old when it was made’? Read about radiometric dating:
David you started on about carbon dating without saying what you wanted to date. So now we know it is Australian Aboriginal artefacts (that is the only mention of '40,000' that I recall). All we need to know is that there were Aboriginals in Australia before a couple of thousand years ago. It does not matter whether an artefact dates to 50,000 years or 70,000 years (well outside the uncertainty effect of any random errors you are proposing).From http://www.aboriginalartonline.com/art/rockage.php
Techniques for dating have usually involved radio-carbon dating of material associated with the art, but there are also newer techniques now available including optically stimulated luminescence (OSL) and accelerator mass spectrometry (AMS). These are described in thepage on Dating Rock Art by Robert Bednarik. Radiocarbon dating is limited to a maximum age of around 40 000 years, and the newer techniques are required for dating of older materials.
The oldest dates so far found by direct dating of art were obtained by geologist Alan Watchman for layers of pigment in two rock-shelters on Cape York in north Queensland, one of 25 000 years and one of almost 30000 years.
There is, however, indirect evidence going back a lot further, leading some archaeologists to argue that the rock art galleries in northern Australia are some of the oldest in the world by modern humans. This is, of course, a contentious area, with recent claims for dates in southern France and northern Italy going back as far as 35 000 years.
(Amazing that the flood waters did not wash all that ancient artwork off the walls, while elsewhere it was eroding great tracts of the earth's surface and laying down the entire fossil record).
Radiocarbon dating can be calibrated for the recent end of the scale by dedrochronology. That is the end in which the human-derived changes in the 14C composition of the atmosphere have occurred. The estimate for the last few thousand years is that the uncertainty is at absolute worst 700 years. Radiocarbon dating can reliably date back to 60,000 years ago.
Let's emphasise the point. There were Aboriginal people in Australia for tens of thousands of years before the alleged flood, and the same race of people is still extant there today.
The bottom line is that either the dates are wrong, or they are right. If they are wrong, then we don't know what they are. This is when you wedge Genesis in: if the science is wrong then Genesis is right. It would be dishonest to call that non-sequiteur science.
Stuart
Is this Islam or something else?
- Joe became angry with the army commanders and said, “I can't believe you let the women live! They are the ones who followed Bob's advice and invited our people to worship the god Frank. That's why the our god punished us by killing so many of our people. You must put to death every boy and all the women who have ever had sex. But do not kill the young women who have never had sex. You may keep them for yourselves.”
Look familiar?
You know what I have wondered about sex in the OT, why is it always looked upon as an “unclean” and almost nasty thing? Good grief. It's like you have to “pay” or bring sacrifices if you “endulge” in such an activity. I mean, it's a basic desire/need hard-wired into us. If God thought it was so unclean, why did he design us this way?
Quote (Not3in1 @ April 15 2008,04:56) You know what I have wondered about sex in the OT, why is it always looked upon as an “unclean” and almost nasty thing? Good grief. It's like you have to “pay” or bring sacrifices if you “endulge” in such an activity. I mean, it's a basic desire/need hard-wired into us. If God thought it was so unclean, why did he design us this way?
:laugh:O so Sounds catholic?Like Priest and nuns, they like to stay away from anything that makes them “feel” un pure, yet we can find them consumed burnt in passion in the most indecent acts, because of the force that encourages them to turn away from each other?
Anyway what would I know, I come from a country that calls it Six, frankly seven rhymes better with heaven!
Hi charity,
Do you hope to be in the millenial kingdom?
No “six” there so get used to it.Matthew 22:30
“For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.Mark 12:25
“For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.Luke 20:36
for they cannot even die anymore, because they are like angels, and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.Huh, I guess you have a point there. Is marriage always associated with sex? Is sex ever talked about outside of marraige except for rape? Maybe so…… Interesting thought – what would a society be without the drive and pursuit of sex?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2008,09:35) Hi charity,
Do you hope to be in the millenial kingdom?
No “six” there so get used to it.Matthew 22:30
“For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.Mark 12:25
“For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.Luke 20:36
for they cannot even die anymore, because they are like angels, and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.
O No Nick Don't tell me…. they started making the Laws for the new garden of Eden we look towards?
Whose Mark and Luke again? The priests are getting more ruthless and stricter!
And changed the rules and said its good for men to be alone, they can be as angles?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2008,09:58) Hi not3,
Was Adam married?
I think Nicks confused six with a certifcate of marrage?rules
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2008,09:58) Hi not3,
Was Adam married?
I think He was.Gen 2:25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
Tim
Hi Tim,
Man and wife in eden.
Rib reunited with the original.
Yes God joined them together.This world demands a ceremony
Does that prove marriage ceremony?Quote (kejonn @ April 14 2008,10:30) Is this Islam or something else? - Joe became angry with the army commanders and said, “I can't believe you let the women live! They are the ones who followed Bob's advice and invited our people to worship the god Frank. That's why the our god punished us by killing so many of our people. You must put to death every boy and all the women who have ever had sex. But do not kill the young women who have never had sex. You may keep them for yourselves.”
Look familiar?
Hehe, no one bit. From the CEV version of the bible- Num 31:14 Moses became angry with the army commanders
Num 31:15 and said, “I can't believe you let the women live!
Num 31:16 They are the ones who followed Balaam's advice and invited our people to worship the god Baal Peor. That's why the LORD punished us by killing so many of our people.
Num 31:17 You must put to death every boy and all the women who have ever had sex.
Num 31:18 But do not kill the young women who have never had sex. You may keep them for yourselves.”Or the NASB
- Num 31:14 Moses was angry with the officers of the army, the captains of thousands and the captains of hundreds, who had come from service in the war.
Num 31:15 And Moses said to them, “Have you spared all the women?
Num 31:16 “Behold, these caused the sons of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, so the plague was among the congregation of the LORD.
Num 31:17 “Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately.
Num 31:18 “But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves.Hi ,
2 Timothy 2:22
Now flee from youthful lusts and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, with those who call on the Lord from a pure heart.yesterdays oak trees are today nuts on the ground Nick
see but not hearing, you confess six is unclean?
Hi charity,
You are confused.
We would not be having this discussion without it.
But it is of this passing fleshly world and so our attention should rather more be on things above.Quote (Not3in1 @ April 15 2008,10:03) Huh, I guess you have a point there. Is marriage always associated with sex? Is sex ever talked about outside of marraige except for rape? Maybe so…… Interesting thought – what would a society be without the drive and pursuit of sex?
Hi Mandy:What if a society be if they would only obeyed God's Laws? Personally, I find that my sexual relations have never been more satisfying now that I am in right standing with God, and I don't have to hide in the dark. My life is open before God. Hey, you can't hide behind the fig leafs.
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