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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 18 2008,12:59) Hi KJ,
Designer gods are very popular.
They fulfill our every expectation.
Yes, just as jeans can be made by Levi, Lee, Gap, Old Navy, American Eagle, etc. God is designed in the view of certain people too. The OT God's label is “Yahweh”, the NT is “God the Father”.In other words, what you say is every bit as applicable to the view of God presented in the bible. God in man's image.
Hi KJ,
Certainly.
Just as soon as you assure me of your faith in both, and in God and His Son.
Otherwise it would be a useless waste of time for both of us.Hi KJ,
The Word of God is enlivened by the Spirit of God.
No better seed to sow.Luke 8:11
Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 19 2008,07:27) Hi Stu,
You are wise enough to judge scripture?
salaam.
Yes. I am wise enough to judge scripture.Stuart
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 19 2008,12:17) Hi KJ,
Certainly.
Just as soon as you assure me of your faith in both, and in God and His Son.
Otherwise it would be a useless waste of time for both of us.
Nick,Did you really mean this statement or was it just sent out, without thought, in a moment of irritation? I could certainly understand if you did. If it was premeditated and intentional then I think you must question yourself about what message you are sending out on your beliefs, not to KJ, but others who read here and may be honest seekers?
Some may think his irritation is with those who he thinks is “insulting God”, but I think he may be irritated because he can rarely ever address what is actually in our posts.
Although it isn't specifically about God's portrayal in the OT, I thought this passage from an article was useful in the discussion nonetheless. It is from one of many articles on Mercy Ministries, a supposed center sponsored by Hillsong and others in Australia. It is being exposed for abuse. The article is Why Mercy Ministries was godsent for Hillsong. Excerpt:
- The founders of Mercy Ministries are fundamentalist Christians who are primarily obsessed with women’s bodies and what they choose to do with them. The Bible is used to justify the supposed inferiority and intrinsic sinfulness of women and homosexuals. Hillsong teaches that a woman’s purpose, as an afterthought of God, is as a helper and a companion at best, and with Eve as their ultimate matriarch, the cause of the fall of all mankind.
The teaching when I was at Hillsong included the lesson that women are attached to their offspring eternally. All the miscarriages, terminations and stillbirths a woman has during her life time grow up in heaven, waiting for their mother to join them.
But you will never see any of this on Hillsong pamphlets. All you find are photos of shiny, happy people holding hands. And inside the front cover is a promise that a truckload of love is waiting for you whenever you want it. It’s only in the third dimension that you discover how much love costs. The love dries up when the money runs out or, worse yet, when you don’t agree with the program.
Mercy, justice, liberty and compassion are concepts that evangelicals view as their own. They believe their God is the author of these values, and that with a monopoly on truth they have an imperative to administer them globally.
It is no surprise that the girls and young women who attended Mercy Ministries did not receive the psychiatric help they were seeking. Fundamentalist Christians are suspicious of psychiatry and psychology, unless prefixed with the word Christian. Psychotic symptoms such as voices are evidence of demons that medication cannot expel. I recall one Hillsong pastor proudly describing his own daughter’s employment at Mercy Ministries. He said she could counsel by birthright, aided by her bible college wisdom.
Having worked in a women’s refuge for five years, I know there are few social services out there. And such little love. It’s hard for young women who are tired, frightened and hungry to distinguish love from opportunism. Something has to be done to advocate for the needy when fundamentalists can smell their blood.
Quote (Cato @ Mar. 19 2008,22:56) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 19 2008,12:17) Hi KJ,
Certainly.
Just as soon as you assure me of your faith in both, and in God and His Son.
Otherwise it would be a useless waste of time for both of us.
Nick,Did you really mean this statement or was it just sent out, without thought, in a moment of irritation? I could certainly understand if you did. If it was premeditated and intentional then I think you must question yourself about what message you are sending out on your beliefs, not to KJ, but others who read here and may be honest seekers?
Hi Cato,
Fishing is poor among philosphers and other unbelievers.Acts 17
21(For all the Athenians and strangers which were there spent their time in nothing else, but either to tell, or to hear some new thing.)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 19 2008,21:32) Hi Stu,
That is one possibility
But there are others.
“God exists” is one possibility.
There is another.Stuart
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 20 2008,06:58) Hi Stu,
It is far more likely that you do not.
Your intellectual dishonesty is shouted for all to hear.You demand others concede your 'possibilities' without evidence. You refuse to engage with the possibility (however small you estimate it, but one that is entirely consistent with the evidence) that you worship something that is not there.
Stuart
From answers.com on intellectual
1. a. Of or relating to the intellect.
b. Rational rather than emotional.
2. Appealing to or engaging the intellect: an intellectual book; an intellectual problem.
3. a. Having or showing intellect, especially to a high degree. See synonyms at intelligent.
b. Given to activities or pursuits that require exercise of the intellect.And on intellect
1. a. The ability to learn and reason; the capacity for knowledge and understanding.
b. The ability to think abstractly or profoundly. See synonyms at mind.
2. A person of great intellectual ability.So basically you are saying that people who have above average IQs should shy away from Christianity?
Of course, I've seen you say this before. Once more you seem to be saying that Christianity is for mentally deficient people.
Hi KJ,
They take a bit more persuasion that their knowledge collection has been a waste of time to date.
But Paul thought it was all worth it and showed the way.
Phil3
5Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;6Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
7But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
8Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
9And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
10That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
11If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
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