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NH.
You read the verse again because there are no commas in the original Greek.
1Cor 8
But to us there is but one God the Father,There is also one God the Son.
Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
It seems that you have changed your “one Lord” into two Lords.
There are actually three.
2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit:
Try again.
Hi CB,
You say
“There is also one God the Son.”
There are no God the Son references in scripture so where do you derive this?
You are subject to the Lord Jesus if you are in the vine and he serves the Gardener.
You serve the Lord God if you are a branch serving the vineNH
Quote Hi CB,
You say
“There is also one God the Son.”
There are no God the Son references in scripture so where do you derive this?Open your eyes and look.
Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
(Exo 4:16) And he shall be thy spokesman unto the people: and he shall be, even he shall be to thee a mouth, and thou [Moses] shalt be to him God.
(Exo 7:1) And YAHWEH said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
(Psa 82:6) I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
(John 10:34-36) Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
(John 17:3) And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Hi CB,
If you join the Army do you serve the King alone?
No private you serve the corporal, the seargeant, the Lieutenant, the Captain, the General, the Commander and the King.
You call them all sir and salute them.
All are your lords and you will discover this truth very quickly.Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him (Jesus), My Lord and my God.
Isaiha 42:20 Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not.
Take another look.
Jesus is God
Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily
Phi 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus
Phi 2:6 Who being in the form of God thought it not robbery to be equal with GodRom 9:5 Whose are the fathers and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came who is over all God blessed for ever Amen
Tit 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ
1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness God was manifest in the flesh
1Jo 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding that we may know him that is true and we are in him that is true even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,..Mic 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
Heb 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
Mat 26:63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.
Mat 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Mat 26:65 Then the high priest rent his clothes, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy;(The high priest understood Jesus’ claim to be God and wrongly accused Him of blasphemy.)
Blasphemy can only be committed against God.Mat 9:2 And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; Son, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee.
Mat 9:3 And, behold, certain of the scribes said within themselves, This man blasphemeth. (They knew that only God can forgive sins.)
Mat 9:4 And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts?2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God,…
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;1Jo 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
Isa 40:3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Heb 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image,
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Mat 9:6 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.
Mar 2:5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.
Mar 2:6 But there were certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts,
Mar 2:7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?Col 3:13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.
Joh 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
Joh 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.Joh 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
Rev 22:8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
Rev 22:9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
Joh 9:38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.
Mar 5:6 But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,
Mat 28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him:
Mat 15:25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
Mat 14:33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.
Mat 8:2 And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped him,.Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God (Theos).
Joh 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD (Yhovah)OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.Rev 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God:1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
Deu 32:3 Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God.
Deu 32:4 He is the Rock, his work i
s perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
1Sa 2:2 There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.
1Sa 2:2 There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.
Psa 78:35 And they remembered that God was their rock, and the high God their redeemer.1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,
Exo 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
1Co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD (yhovah), I change not;
Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.Exo 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Joh 8:57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Joh 8:59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: (because Jesus claimed the name of God)Joh 10:9 I am the door:
Joh 10:11 I am the good shepherd:
Joh 11:25 … I am the resurrection,
Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life:
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?
Joh 15:1 I am the true vine,Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
Joh 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Joh 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.Acts 7:59, “And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.”
Mat 23:24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
There are Three separate Beings, each God and equal with one another. Though they hold different offices, they are nevertherless each God.
Three Divine beings within the Godhead with three different offices they choose to perform,
H2O can exist in three different realities, yet remain H20
• Ice
• Liquid
• or SteamEach Person of the Godhead can choose a different office, yet remain God.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Isaiah 6:3 says, “And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.” Did you catch that? That's one “holy” for each person of the Godhead!
All praise to God the Father… God the Son Jesus Christ… and God the Holy Spirit! ALL Three merit perfect praise. Holy, Holy, Holy! If there is only one God they would not have repeated the worshipful praise three times.
Holy! Holy! Holy!
And there's more!
Rev 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Holy! Holy! Holy!
Adam Pastor
Quote (John 17:3) And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. The person who raises this question is obviously assuming Unitarianism.
We note from the following verses in John that:
1.Jesus is God’s Son and also God along with the Father according to John 1:1 “and the Word was God” and Hebrews 1:8 and a multitude of other scripture. “But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.”
2.Jesus gives eternal life to all that God gives him, which is a claim to being absolute Deity since only God can give eternal life.
3.Jesus existed in glory with the Father even before the world was created.
4.Jesus demands to be glorified by God, something which no mere creature could ever demand.
5.Jesus states that everything that the Father has belongs to him, which makes him the heir of everything that exists.
6.Jesus indwells all the believers, an indication that Christ is omnipresent and therefore God since God alone is omnipresent.
7.Jesus is the object of the Father’s love even before the creation of the world.Thus, the context makes it clear that Jesus’ statement about the Father being the only true God in no way was meant to deny that Christ is God as well, since he goes on to make claims that only God could make.
Jesus is simply addressing the Father for being the only true God since this is what he truly is, and yet we know from the same Bible that the only true God exists as Three separate Persons. The Holy Scriptures plainly show that both the Son and the Holy Spirit are also truly God.
Therefore, since the one true God exists as a Godhead this means that the three Persons can be addressed as the only true God both individually and collectively.
Putting it another way:
•The Godhead is the only true God.
•Each specific member of the Godhead is the only true God.
•Therefore, the members of the Godhead are the only true God, whether individually or collectively.Rev 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Holy! Holy! Holy!
Hi CB,
Fascinating stuff.
But totally irrelevant to lovers of biblical truth and followers of Jesus.Quote (Cult Buster @ Dec. 27 2006,07:38) Adam Pastor Quote (John 17:3) And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. The person who raises this question is obviously assuming Unitarianism.
We note from the following verses in John that:
1.Jesus is God’s Son and also God along with the Father according to John 1:1 “and the Word was God” and Hebrews 1:8 and a multitude of other scripture. “But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.”
2.Jesus gives eternal life to all that God gives him, which is a claim to being absolute Deity since only God can give eternal life.
3.Jesus existed in glory with the Father even before the world was created.
4.Jesus demands to be glorified by God, something which no mere creature could ever demand.
5.Jesus states that everything that the Father has belongs to him, which makes him the heir of everything that exists.
6.Jesus indwells all the believers, an indication that Christ is omnipresent and therefore God since God alone is omnipresent.
7.Jesus is the object of the Father’s love even before the creation of the world.Thus, the context makes it clear that Jesus’ statement about the Father being the only true God in no way was meant to deny that Christ is God as well, since he goes on to make claims that only God could make.
Jesus is simply addressing the Father for being the only true God since this is what he truly is, and yet we know from the same Bible that the only true God exists as Three separate Persons. The Holy Scriptures plainly show that both the Son and the Holy Spirit are also truly God.
Therefore, since the one true God exists as a Godhead this means that the three Persons can be addressed as the only true God both individually and collectively.
Putting it another way:
•The Godhead is the only true God.
•Each specific member of the Godhead is the only true God.
•Therefore, the members of the Godhead are the only true God, whether individually or collectively.Rev 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Holy! Holy! Holy!
Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; Therefore God, “THY GOD”, hath anointed thee With the oil of gladness above thy fellows.The trinity doctrine states that The Father Son and Spirit are equal. But the above scripture says that the Father is the GOD of the SON. This scripture sets straight the Trinity doctrine. Jesus is God of this the Father's new creation and is not equal with the Father.
1Co 15:28 And when all things have been subjected unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subjected to him that did subject all things unto him, that God may be all in all.
Between Heb. 1:9 and 1Cor. 15:28 it should be clear that the Father is (as His Son said) greater than the Son.
Quote Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; Therefore God, “THY GOD”, hath anointed thee With the oil of gladness above thy fellows. The trinity doctrine states that The Father Son and Spirit are equal. But the above scripture says that the Father is the GOD of the SON. This scripture sets straight the Trinity doctrine. Jesus is God of this the Father's new creation and is not equal with the Father.
1Co 15:28 And when all things have been subjected unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subjected to him that did subject all things unto him, that God may be all in all.
Between Heb. 1:9 and 1Cor. 15:28 it should be clear that the Father is (as His Son said) greater than the Son.
The trinity doctrine does not state that in rank all of the Godhead are equal. But as far as the nature of God his substance and his essence the Father,Son and Holy Spirit is One and equal.
A Father may be greater in rank than a Son. But the Son is equal to the Father in nature, substance and essence. The Son is no less human than the Father.
Jesus is no less God than the Father.
Hi W,
Spoken as a true servant of Athanasius.
But it is not to him that we have to give an account of our stewardship.Quote The trinity doctrine does not state that in rank all of the Godhead are equal. But as far as the nature of God his substance and his essence the Father,Son and Holy Spirit is One and equal. What does that even mean? I would like everyone who believes God is a trinity to give their definition of what this means.
That way, we can see all the different versions of trinities and actually understand what people think.Everlasting gospel
souls
Redeemed and sent from God, what goes up must come down.
Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
Hbr 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
We must have the resurrection of life, and Christ and Daniel say both good and bad come forth from the grave, some to shame and they shall do wickedly, For time is granted by grace time to do so wandering stars in our love feasts ordained from long ago, that stain their robs again, after receiving the New life. Some are still asleep?
Other in Daniels resurrection are purified and made holy and lead many to righteousness. Working spirits blessed. They have the trinity or what ever!!!
What happened in the heavens then, at this time on earth like never before.
Before the throne a multitude of people praise of all the nations, wearing white robs washed clean from their sins
The old heavens was a place unrighteousness could enter, even Satan himself visited that is where God redeemed with Christs life all men that he died for all men? and saved them from the dust? to rise to judgment days, and no longer can unrighteousness enter and rest in the prepared place where the lamb and the father are the light off, but shall be out side.
So some cannot receive this saying, save to whom it is given?
Mat 18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
A millstone tied around a neck will have been better for them, for satans dose not want any to hear his voice from the graves, and be made alive!
Jhn 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
Jhn 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,And from the grave because that’s the only way one shall be renewed with the new Holy ghost, by the washing of the regenerations,
Tts 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Predestinated to be transformed
Our new life is hidden in Christ’s life
charity
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Putting it another way:
• The Godhead is the only true God.
• Each specific member of the Godhead is the only true God.
• Therefore, the members of the Godhead are the only true God, whether individually or collectively.So, Jesus is called “God” or “mighty one” a few times. Jehovah, the Almighty is called God more than a thousand times specifically and hundreds of more times not so specifically.
How many times are we told that the holy spirit is God?
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