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Justed wanted to say thanks for letting me post here and I hope from time to time to stop by. I hope to see everyone in the Kingdom.
Paul
Hi Paul,
Your post otherwise was very good and you are quite correct that the purpose of creation is for God to add members to the Kingly Family.Quote (trettep @ April 08 2005,13:22) Justed wanted to say thanks for letting me post here and I hope from time to time to stop by. I hope to see everyone in the Kingdom. Paul
Likewise, Trett. Take care and I hope you do stop by. Be encouraged in the Lord.Hi Vic,
There is some discussion on the exclusive KJV word “godhead”here.
If you look at all the contexts that you mentioned you will see that the word does not mean any sort of committee trinity God but
God who we also know as “the Father”Quote (trettep @ April 08 2005,04:07) The word Godhead can be found in the King James Version in the following verses: Act 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
As you can see the Godhead comprises all those that are the Children of God. There are many verses that explain that those born again are the Children of God. Thats what they are born again into the Family of God and thus the Godhead.
If you look at Col 2:9 you will notice the word “fullness” which means “what fills”. What fills Christ is the Holy Spirit and that is the Spirit that comes from the Father. That is also the Spirit that fills all God's Children. Therefore, what has the Spirit has the Godhead.
Now you can see the significance of the Gospel message. There is no greater message that can be proclaimed to mankind then that man through Jesus Christ can be born into the Kingdom of God. That is the Mission. That is the Good Message (Gospel). There is nothing else than can be a greater message.
Paul
Actually, none of those verses indicate that the children of God are part of the godhead.Acts is saying that God isd not like the pagan images made of silver, gold, or stone. God is not physical, and cannot and there must not be any graven images to portray Him. The children of God are physical, thus this verse does not apply to them.
Romans is treaching that all the members of the goshead were active in creation, that the existence of God can be seen through what has been made, thus all are without excuse, it says nothing about the children of God being members of the godhead.
Colossian is so obviously and evidently about Jesus Christ that no further comment need be made.
At any rate, neither Thayers, Zodhiates or Strongs give the slightest indication that the word translated “godhead” in Greek ever includes human beings, even pagans who used the word, used it to speak of gods:
G2304
θεῖος
theios
Thayer Definition:
1) a general name of deities or divinities as used by the Greeks
2) spoken of the only and true God, trinity
2a) of Christ
2b) Holy Spirit
2c) the Father
Part of Speech: adjective
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G2316
Citing in TDNT: 3:122, 322More information on this word is here:
2304. qei`o” theéŒos; fem. theéŒa, neut. theéŒon, adj. from TheoŒs (2316), God. Divine, what is uniquely God’s and proceeds from Him. Distinguished from TheoŒs (2316), God, as indeed theioŒteµs (2305), divinity, is distinguished from TheoŒteµs (2320), Godhead. TheéŒos denotes an attribute of God such as His power and not His character in its essence and totality. See Acts 17:29; 2 Pet. 1:3, 4; Sept.: Ex. 31:3; 35:31. In Class. Gr. the adj. denoted the power of God, as the noun theioŒteµs does explicitly in Rom. 1:20.
Zodhiates, Spiros, The Complete Word Study Dictionary, New Testament, (Chattanooga, TN: AMG Publishers) 2000, c1992, c1993.In Romans the word is a derivitive of the above word, This word also appears only here in Romans, and nowhere else in the NT.;
G2305
θειότης
theiotēs
Thayer Definition:
1) divinity, divine nature
Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G2304
Citing in TDNT: 3:123, 322The same deritive is found in Col. 2:9, and Greek scholar Zodhiates refers us in the Romans passage to this particular word as being more specifically and correctly translated “Godhead”
2320. qeovth” theoŒteµs; gen. theoŒteµtos, fem. noun from TheoŒs (2316), God. Deity, Godhead as directly revealed, God’s personality (Col. 2:9), as distinguished from theioŒteµs (2305) in Rom. 1:20, divinity or divine power and majesty, a concept arrived at by observing God’s mighty works.
Zodhiates, Spiros, The Complete Word Study Dictionary, New Testament, (Chattanooga, TN: AMG Publishers) 2000, c1992, c1993.G2320
θεότης
theotēs
Thayer Definition:
1) deity
1a) the state of being God, Godhead
Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G2316
Citing in TDNT: 3:119, 322blessings
Quote (epistemaniac @ Oct. 21 2005,15:18) Quote (trettep @ April 08 2005,04:07) The word Godhead can be found in the King James Version in the following verses: Act 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
As you can see the Godhead comprises all those that are the Children of God. There are many verses that explain that those born again are the Children of God. Thats what they are born again into the Family of God and thus the Godhead.
If you look at Col 2:9 you will notice the word “fullness” which means “what fills”. What fills Christ is the Holy Spirit and that is the Spirit that comes from the Father. That is also the Spirit that fills all God's Children. Therefore, what has the Spirit has the Godhead.
Now you can see the significance of the Gospel message. There is no greater message that can be proclaimed to mankind then that man through Jesus Christ can be born into the Kingdom of God. That is the Mission. That is the Good Message (Gospel). There is nothing else than can be a greater message.
Paul
Actually, none of those verses indicate that the children of God are part of the godhead.Acts is saying that God isd not like the pagan images made of silver, gold, or stone. God is not physical, and cannot and there must not be any graven images to portray Him. The children of God are physical, thus this verse does not apply to them.
Romans is treaching that all the members of the goshead were active in creation, that the existence of God can be seen through what has been made, thus all are without excuse, it says nothing about the children of God being members of the godhead.
Colossian is so obviously and evidently about Jesus Christ that no further comment need be made.
At any rate, neither Thayers, Zodhiates or Strongs give the slightest indication that the word translated “godhead” in Greek ever includes human beings, even pagans who used the word, used it to speak of gods:
G2304
θεῖος
theios
Thayer Definition:
1) a general name of deities or divinities as used by the Greeks
2) spoken of the only and true God, trinity
2a) of Christ
2b) Holy Spirit
2c) the Father
Part of Speech: adjective
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G2316
Citing in TDNT: 3:122, 322More information on this word is here:
2304. qei`o” theéŒos; fem. theéŒa, neut. theéŒon, adj. from TheoŒs (2316), God. Divine, what is uniquely God’s and proceeds from Him. Distinguished from TheoŒs (2316), God, as indeed theioŒteµs (2305), divinity, is distinguished from TheoŒteµs (2320), Godhead. TheéŒos denotes an attribute of God such as His power and not His character in its essence and totality. See Acts 17:29; 2 Pet. 1:3, 4; Sept.: Ex. 31:3; 35:31. In Class. Gr. the adj. denoted the power of God, as the noun theioŒteµs does explicitly in Rom. 1:20.
Zodhiates, Spiros, The Complete Word Study Dictionary, New Testament, (Chattanooga, TN: AMG Publishers) 2000, c1992, c1993.In Romans the word is a derivitive of the above word, This word also appears only here in Romans, and nowhere else in the NT.;
G2305
θειότης
theiotēs
Thayer Definition:
1) divinity, divine nature
Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G2304
Citing in TDNT: 3:123, 322The same deritive is found in Col. 2:9, and Greek scholar Zodhiates refers us in the Romans passage to this particular word as being more specifically and correctly translated “Godhead”
2320. qeovth” theoŒteµs; gen. theoŒteµtos, fem. noun from TheoŒs (2316), God. Deity, Godhead as directly revealed, God’s personality (Col. 2:9), as distinguished from theioŒteµs (2305) in Rom. 1:20, divinity or divine power and majesty, a concept arrived at by observing God’s mighty works.
Zodhiates, Spiros, The Complete Word Study Dictionary, New Testament, (Chattanooga, TN: AMG Publishers) 2000, c1992, c1993.G2320
θεότης
theotēs
Thayer Definition:
1) deity
1a) the state of being God, Godhead
Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G2316
Citing in TDNT: 3:119, 322blessings
Hi epistemaniac,
So in Romans 1.20 “godhead ” means the “nature” of God. In NASB the verse is translated
” For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made…”
So creation and “nature” itself reveals God's own nature. There is evidence of intelligent planning with amazing detail, beauty, harmony, love and perfect order. Creation reveals nothing of any trinity so clearly this thought is alien to scriptural analysis here.In Coll 2.9 in NASB
“For in him all the fullness of deity dwells in bodily form”
So Jesus was indwelled by deity so that deity was not himself or he would be indwelling himself. Neither was he indwelled by a trinity of which he was theoretically a part or the same would apply. He was filled with the Spirit of God and revealed the nature and power of his Father to men, in line with Roman 1.20.Acts 17.29NASB
” Being then the children of God, we ought not to think that the divine nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and thought of man”Again the word 'nature' best translates the meaning of the word translated 'godhead' and then all these scriptures can be aligned. Trinity theory has no part to play in any of these verses in my view.
God is love. That is His nature, His essential nature according to scriptureand because of that love he brought his Son into being and through him all of creation so that all could enjoy His wonderful love for eternity.
Quote (poisson_1 @ Mar. 26 2005,16:46) Dear Nick, Thank you for your post, I'm gald you asked these questions.
Once again, the views of Richard Anton Wilson are not my views. I also believe that Christ is the Truth and that that truth has been partly revealed to us through the ages. I merely relate his thoughts to introduce the idea of e-prime according to which Jesus neither 'is' nor 'is not' the Father, only may be considered so according to the point of view we take.
I certainly don't believe that God left heaven to come into the body of Jesus Christ, I believe he reproduced himself in perfection in Jesus's mind.
Therefore, if we have the mind of Christ, and Christ has the mind of God, then consequently,we also must have the mind of God.
Christ is the creation of God, his first creation which He created out of His own Self. He has all the attributes of the Father
I hope That clarifies things a little? don't hesitate to ask if you've got any more concerns or questions.
Good to talk.
Denis
Therefore, if we have the mind of Christ, and Christ has the mind of God, then consequently,we also must have the mind of God.
This is very true, but on a MUCH smaller scale.
God and the Son have the same Spirit. When we are born again then we have a pledge or small down payment of the same Spirit.Hi k4c,
You ask
“how many spirits are in the godhead”
If you study this forum you will see that this exclusively KJV word which has bee twisted to represent a trinity in fact always speaks of the Father's nature.Hi Malcolm,
You are clearly a KJV fan in which alone is found “godhead”, a word you often use. But to what does it apply scripturally??Hi,
Considering the frequent use of “godhead” by those who believe in a triune God you would think it was a well established word in scripture.It is used three times in the KJV and each translates a different Greek word.
Acts 17.29 [2304 Theios] = NASB; divine [2] divine nature[1]
Romans 1.20 [2305 Theiotes] = NASB; divine nature[1]
Coll 2.9 [2320 Theotes] = NASB; Deity[1]So we are talking divine nature – godhead – whatever.
What is God's nature – clearly it is divine.A few things about His nature as I am aware of it.
He is all wise – and hence able by foreknowledge to predestinate. Rom 8:29
He is all powerful – able to create everything from nothing by His Word.
He cannot fail – Isa 55:11
He cannot lie – Heb 6:18
He cannot die – immortal 1 Tim 1:17
He is eternal – never began and will never end 1 Tim 1:17
He is unchanging in His ways – Mal 3: 3:6, Heb 1:1 -3, Heb13:8Hi Malcolm,
God is love.
God is fair.
God is truthful.
God is compassionate.
God knows the future.Such as in all the fruits of the Spirit shown in Galatians
and demonstrated by that Spirit in Jesus and in the disciples.
Jesus showedGod is love – but not just any love – that love is defined by the truth of His Word.
God is fair – but not as many count fairness –
He is fair because He means what He says and stands by His Word.God is truthful – in fact truth is defined in terms of compatiblity and conformity to his Word.
God is compassionate – but not as men count compassion – Jesus passed by many people at the pool of Siloam to get to one man who was not even a terminal case and heal him.
God knows the future – because He is allwise.
To me there are 3 great attributes of God that really stand out.
Omniscience – Omnipotence & Love
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