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Wakeup,
I have no idea where you obtain the information to fell our the details of your understanding of first and second resurrections mentioned in Scripture. It is not Scripture.
Their is only one teaching of salvation and anyone that adds or subtracts from that teaching is teaching heresy. Heresy is a teaching that is against Christ.
If you teach that Jesus is an angel, God, or anything else but a human being you teach heresy. You follow an a spirit that opposes Jesus because it is necessary for a true Christian to believe a human being can overcome the would and all that is of the world. Just as John teaches us “the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.”
If you are not teaching people how to find God’s righteousness and God’s kingdom then your teaching is in vain. If your are searching for those then you hope of salvation is in vain.
The only true Christians are the righteous. There are false brothers who live by the flesh and not by the Spirit even though they have learned better. These men are spoken of by Jude and others. There are those outside the church are also judged by what they know and what they chose to do based on that knowledge.
All we are told about the those that are to be resurrected in the first resurrection is that they:
I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
If we take it literally they are only those that were martyred by being beheaded for the reason they bore witness to Jesus Christ. In addition they did not worship the beast, his image, and did not receive his mark in either their forehead or in their hands.
So if taken literally that sounds like a tiny portion of true Christians that are resurrected. Peter would not be one of them as he was not beheaded. James the brother of John would qualify as he is said to have been beheaded. On the other hand did he even have a chance to worship the beast, it’s image, or receive it’s mark in his head or in his hand?
Clearly you cannot be taking it literally which means that you believe that the group mention symbolizes the group you call true Christians. Do you believe Peter and James the brother of John are part of this group?
@Wakeup
you asked who the ‘her’ is:Malachi 3:17 And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.
Isaiah 66:12 For thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will extend peace to Her like a river, and the glory of the Gentiles like a flowing stream: then shall ye suck, ye shall be borne upon her sides, and be dandled upon Her knees.
The ‘Her’ is the church.
Wakeup,
I have no idea where you obtain the information to fell our the details of your understanding of first and second resurrections mentioned in Scripture. It is not Scripture.
Kerwin
If you cannot understand the purpose of the millennium, that there will be survivors who were not raised in 1st resurrection, and that they will be taught during the millennium to know Christ, then how can you understand that there will be a 2nd resurrection?If you can not understand that there will be Jews who will brought back in the flesh from past generations also, then how can you understand that they will live and mulitiply, and be judged in the 2nd resurrection.
If you can not understand that there are some gentiles also that lived, before Christ, never having evil in their hearts, can receive mercy in the second resurrection,
I gave you scripture to show the white throne judgement and that those will be judged according to the books. It does not say all will be condemned in this resurrection, but they will be separated. It is a judgement on their works. A different judgement, and a fair one.
Their is only one teaching of salvation and anyone that adds or subtracts from that teaching is teaching heresy. Heresy is a teaching that is against Christ.
That’s right. Because most of you have rejected many truths in the bible by rejecting, and saying it is false, that you have actually witnessed against the truth out loud, publicly.
That would be heresy, teaching the opposite to truth.
We have shown you that there are two resurrections, 1000 years apart. Instead of seeing it, you come up with this heresy thing, which you are actually doing yourself.
If it’s not taught in mainstream religion, then it must be false according to you. Never mind that God says that the christian land is desolate. That must mean nothing to you, and that man thinks he has everything solved regarding truth?Well there’s a song that only the 144K know in the last days, and 144K is not a lot of christians.
These are the ones, that the lamb have fed. Righteousness is expected of us. It starts there. It’s our duty. Righteousness is following the lamb everywhere in truth.Lightenup.
The Woman was; before creation began.
There was no church. k. The truth can not be hidden.
wakeup.‘She’ is often used to describe an attribute.
‘He’ refers to a person.When wisdom is she, it is talking of an attribute within God.
When Wisdom is he. it is because wisdom was begotten.
Kerwin.
Is there no wisdom in the word you are reading?
When God speaks; does he not speak with wisdom?
wakeup.She is of God; She is symbolically his Woman.
He is God. The begotten of the woman can be he or she.
wakeup.Journey,
Prophecy is at best of secondary importance. History is even less though it and prophecy can both serve to aid strengthening the faith. The most important think is to do all God commands which is why Jesus teaches us to seek first God’s righteousness and his kingdom.
Yes, I will use everything to strengthen my faith I can but first I have to watch myself to make sure the teaching I adhere to and my actions are in accord with the true doctrine of Christ.
Wakeup,
God SPEAKS in wisdom. He created all things by speaking out His Word.
I agree with that as well as with the idea that wisdom is in God’s word. I do not know of anywhere in Scripture where Wisdom is called God’s woman but it is not a new idea as she has been called both his wife and daughter is some ancient documents.
T8,
When Wisdom is he. it is because wisdom was begotten.
That is a traditional teaching but I do not know the reasoning behind it. It is certainly not literally taught in Scripture.
Hi WU,
Surely you have drawn enough attention to yourself?
Certainly it is not the teaching of God you teach.
Kerwin it is taught that way because that is what is literally written.
Proverbs 8:22-30
22 “The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works, before his deeds of old;23 I was appointed from eternity, from the beginning, before the world began. 24 When there were no oceans, I was given birth, when there were no springs abounding with water; 25 before the mountains were settled in place, before the hills, I was given birth, 26 before he made the earth or its fields or any of the dust of the world. 27 I was there when he set the heavens in place, when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep, 28 when he established the clouds above and fixed securely the fountains of the deep, 29 when he gave the sea its boundary so the waters would not overstep his command, and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.
30 Then I was the craftsman at his side. I was filled with delight day after day, rejoicing always in his presence,
Wisdom starts of as a ‘she’ in English translations at least and then becomes the craftsman at God’s side after being given birth. We know from other scriptures who was with God in the beginning and that was the Word. Further, that Word became flesh and we are also taught that God created all things through the son. It’s really just a matter of letting scripture paint the picture here.
This is basically why the early church Fathers believed this.
T8,
Who do you call the early church father’s. The Jesus and the apostles are the only ones I recognize. Luke and Mark qualify as well.
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