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Many believe that dinosaurs lived millions of years ago. Yet, with
the use of the scriptures, common sense and science, proof that the
earth is only about 6000 years old and that dinosaurs lived in the
time of Adam and the great flood of Noah.First of all, let's understand why man has mistakenly determined the
age of the earth. In the very first chapter of Genesis, it says that
there was water above and below the firmament. Now upon examination,
it can be determined that firmament is heaven or atmosphere.
According to God's word, there was water above the firmament. So how
can this be proven? Let us examine preflood man. Man prior to the
flood lived to be roughly around 900 years. We must ask ourselves
what could cause man to live so long. Scientists have stated that the
sun is the major factor in aging us. Now, if we put 2 and 2 together,
the common sense answer to why man lived so long prior to the flood
is because they had extra protection from the sun. There was a body
of water that surrounded the earth and gave it a greenhouse effect
and it was this water that gave man much more protection from the
sun. Now, scientists have used scientific principals based on the
chemical makeup of the earth after the flood, yet, the chemical
makeup of the earth was different which makes any test on material
prior to the flood incorrect. What proof is there that the earth was
chemically different prior to the flood is again common sense. If man
had portection from the sun, so did all living things on the earth.
The earth too, was protected from the toxic radiation from the sun
and it is common sense that tells us that carbon dating cannot be
used to determine the age of the earth because of different chemical
principals of two different earths, preflood and after flood.Now what about dinosaurs? What is a dinosaur? It is nothing more then
a reptile. Scientist have proven that as long as a reptile is living,
it continues to grow. So, if we take an alligator and say it lives
100 years and grows 20 feet. What would happen if it were to live 900
years? It would have grown to be 180 feet, thus, a dinosaur.One more thing to think about the earht being in a bubble of water is
that prior to the flood, man had never seen rain. That is why no one
believed Noah when he said it was going to rain. At that time, the
earth was watered by a mist. Another interesting thing to think about
is the dramatic decrease in man's lifespan after the flood. he began
to age musch faster because he was being pelted by massive amounts of
radiation from the sun.Just recently, scientists who use computers to solve unsolve crimes
by taking the remains of bones to restructure and form a face of the
bones were asked by creationists to do an experiment. Now, first we
must understand that this forensic science has met with great
success and is proven itself as reputible.They were asked to take an average man and by comparing the physical
changes in the lifetime such as bone structure and come up with a
model of what man would look like if he lived to be close to 1000
years. Remarkably, around the 400 year mark, the image looked
remarkably like that of Cro Magnum man and aroung the 800 year mark,
man the image looked remarkably like Neanderthal man. Now, is this
just coinsidence or is God's word true. I believe the the world is
just as the bible says, just around 6000 years old.Could well be so.
One thing I have noticed however and haven't heard anyone mention thus far is:
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Who is to say that God wasn't doing stuff for thousands or millions of years here?
2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
Who is to say that it was exactly 1 earth day or 1000 years between these to events? It seems still possible to me that these animals could have been roaming the earth for even millions of years before God created man.
26 Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
I am not saying I am right, I am just being objective and looking at the possibilities. I realise as you have written the differing circumstances with an earth covered in water. That can also explain why Mammoths have been uncovered in the Artic ice in a perfectly preserved state with no or little decay and with buttercups in their stomachs.
The Artic must have been warm for buttercups to grow and a sudden destruction event that froze the Mammoths before physical decay set in.
The flood caters for this explanation nicely. We also read that the land started to break apart after the flood. Hence, continental drift.
Dear t8,
I have crossed many who came up with similar questions. I will give you one and I will tell you how I answered him, then i will answer you using God's word. He said, what about light. It takes billions of years to travel here, but here it is. How did it get here already if the earth and all of creation is only about 6000 years old? If you look in Genesis 1.3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
On the first day, before God created all of the lights in the heaven, he created light.
As for you question as to the duration of the first day, the bible says God is not a God of confusion. And one day will not be longer then that of the next or he would of plainly said so.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
You must understand first of all why God even created days. Why did he create seven days? Why did he create on six of those seven days and then rest on the seventh day? These things were all done for the benefit of man. God could have brought all of creation together in an instanance, but he did not. He does everything for a reason as a calling card to man. He leaves revelations of himself. God's fingerprints are everywhere, they are just hard to see because they have been covered over by man's.
God gave us the days of the week to let us know how long this earth will exist before the new heaven and earth spoken of Revelations. Each day is symbolic of 1000 years. Proof of this is the days of the week. For six days of the week, man is to work, and on the seventh day, he is to rest. For 6000 years man is to work, and for the last 1000 years, called the millinium period in Revelations, man is to find rest. It is when Jesus will be on earth and there will be not hunger, war, fear, pain. It will be wonderful. Peace on earth for 1000 years. The bible tells us the lion and the lamb will lay beside eachother in the field.
As for one day being any longer than another from the first day of creation, to say any different is to call God a liar, for he said, I am not a God of confusion and if the day was any longer then 24 hrs, he would have said so.
Hi HICITC,
I agree with everything you wrote. God made it clear that the duration He took to complete the creation event was six literal days by attaching a numerical value to the Hebrew word 'Yom' in Genesis Ch 1. This concept is underscored in Ex 20:11. He clearly intended for us to understand the timeframe to be six solar days.Regarding the dinosaurs. Another point I would add is the conditions immediately proceeding the global flood would not have favoured large reptiles. A sharp change in temperatures would have followed, occasioned by the precipitation of the vapour canopy, leading to a build up of ice and snow in the polar regions, thus initiating an ice age. Small, mobile animals with warm blooded systems would have been more adept at both adjusting to temperature drops and moving to warmer climes quickly. Just some random thoughts of mine….
Blessings
Very good point brother and absolutly true. Why is it when people read God's word, they forget about common sense. I believe God gave this to all of us and there is no doubt you have a good dose. God bless brother and keep looking up, cause he is coming soon.
hicitcheiscomingintheclouds, science has proven that the city of jericho dates back to 6000 years bc. How can the world be 6000 years old when there was a biblical city created about 8000 years ago.
Also the calendar we use to mark the days has changed many times. Have a look at how many times the Romans changed the calendar.
Man created the calandar after he was shown the way. Since then man has improved his knowledge of the universe and therefore has defined the art.The Ancients of the Americas were able to create a yearly calenda that has been proven to be out by 0.28 of a day. The “heavenly father” that you preach did not exist in their minds.
Dont be fooled.
Seek the light.
Ignorance becomes more obvious the louder you speak or the more you type.Semjâzâ
Quote heiscomingintheclouds, science has proven that the city of jericho dates back to 6000 years bc.
Really? That's an emphatic statement. It would be good if you could substantiate it as well. Tell me more about the science behind this conclusion. How was it dated?Dear Semjâzâ,
As we get closer to the time of our Lord's return, science is getting better and better. And it has caused quite a ripple in the scientific community because many are beginning to doubt less. To doubt God less. Many have started to go to the bible for help with their scientific studies to uncover God's mysteries.
Anyway, you claim this about Jericho, and I am with Is 1:18, I have not heard anything on it and it would matter not, because it would not be true. The technique they use called carbon dating isn't an exact science and has been as wrong as often as it has been right. Yet, not allot is said about the mistakes of carbon dating. And if a test is ran on a material that is preflood, the readings would be completely wrong because the chemical makeup of all materials prior to the flood were completely different then that of today's world. The world prior to the flood had about 13 times less radiation then the world today. This is only an approximation, but if the science world would ever decide to prove or disprove the bible, this approximation would be very close.
God's fingerprints are everywhere, they have just been covered over by the fingerprints of man.
Quote Could well be so. One thing I have noticed however and haven't heard anyone mention thus far is:
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Who is to say that God wasn't doing stuff for thousands or millions of years here?
exactly.
The word day has a number of meanings:
–24 hour period
–period from sunrise to sunset (see gen 1:5)
–a period of influence or an epochIn Gen 2:4, we notice something interesting. All seven days are lumped together into “the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven.”
This day encompasses the other days. That's odd. Well, it would be odd if these were all 24 hour days. But if they were a period of great influence, then it makes perfect sense.
It's true that that layer of atmospheric water that fell could have caused a great miscalculation in the age of most everything. If I understand correctly, or remember correctly, Carbon dating is based on the amount of carbon that reaches living things. Scientists assume the atmosphere was always the same. If what the Bible says is true, their numbers would be off because of this.
With science the age of man seems to be getting closer to the 6000 year mark. It used to be a million. It's come down to 50,000 and then to 15,000 by some. Science is getting more accurate. It's catching up to the Bible.
We also know there are the scriptures that say things like: One day with Jehovah is as a thousand years. (2 pet 3:8; ps 90:4) Adam was told that in the day he sinned, he would die. (spiritually, he died that day.) But Gen 5:5 says he died when he was 930 years old. But when we look at how Jehovah views days, Adam did die the very day that he sinned.
2 PETER 3:8
“However, let this one fact not be escaping YOUR notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.”PSALM 90:4
“For a thousand years are in your eyes but as yesterday when it is past, And as a watch during the night.”Is 1:18, could you go into greater detail on this:
Quote God made it clear that the duration He took to complete the creation event was six literal days by attaching a numerical value to the Hebrew word 'Yom' in Genesis Ch 1. This concept is underscored in Ex 20:11. He clearly intended for us to understand the timeframe to be six solar days. First of all you would have to be a scientific idiot, to believe that the earth is only 6000 years old. Do you deny common sense because you are to afraid and believe in the limitations of God! May God be True and every man a liar. Like do you believe that Noah's ark covered the whole earth, or only the earth surrounding mesopotamia? A day is as a millenium, etc. Trust that the Lord Almighty God knows that you have for REAL questions and don't be Afraid, ” For I am not the Authour of FEAR but of Peace, Agape, and a sound MIND, do not negate science for fear the God would be displeased, God is displeased at the negation of your intelledct, for FEAR, that God is limited and cannot provide your profound questions with answers.
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
So before the first day, God created the stars, planets,earth, etc.
A 6000 year old earth based on what scripture?
Quote (t8 @ July 04 2008,00:48) In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
So before the first day, God created the stars, planets,earth, etc.
A 6000 year old earth based on what scripture?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ussher_chronology
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/scopes/ussher.htmlWith god anything is possible.
Stuart
I think the whole title of this thread is wrong. We have in truth what man said God said versus what man said based on his observations of God's creation.
Quote (Cato @ July 07 2008,23:13) I think the whole title of this thread is wrong. We have in truth what man said God said versus what man said based on his observations of God's creation.
…or indeed our models of the natural world, which is unmeddled-with by any imagined supernatural beings.Surely Genesis is the inspired word, and how can the work of Ussher be dismissed? His assumptions are quite rational and he was very careful about his geneology-based calculations. Others independently arrived at similar ages for the earth.
Are you saying we should reject the facts outlined in the OT and use scientific data instead? If so you will also need to drop the unsubstantiated claim that we live on “God's creation”, just to be consistent.
Stuart
Not necessarily, belief in a supreme creator is not dependent on Genesis or any of the OT for that matter. Also inspired does not equate with literal, Genesis in particular appears to be largely allegorical, when looked at in that light it doesn't engender these creation debates. It's like trying to compare abstract poetry to geology and biology while debating the relative truths and values. The old Apple and oranges bit I think.
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