God reveals truth, the son reveals truth

[NickHassan]

Hi TT,
All judgement HAS BEEN COMMITTED by God to the Son of Man.
The lesser is blessed by the greater.[Heb7]

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 04 2010,05:31)

Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 04 2010,02:07) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 04 2010,01:54) TT your conclusions are very scientific ,it remind me of a little story about a frog study were the scientist tell the frog to jump so he write down frog 4 leg =jump and he pull a leg of and say to the frog jump,so the frog jump ,so he wright down frog 3leg =jump, and so on until the frog at no legs then he say to the frog jump ,of cause the frog at no legs did not jump so he write frog no legs =def i am sure you are not interested in any way in the scriptures ,your quotes testified to that, and you contradict yourself many times but most people do not see it, here i am guessing t, Major premise: Only God can reveal truth Minor premise: Jesus reveals truth Conclusion: Therefore, Jesus is God Are the two premises true? If you say yes then the conclusion necessarily follows. It's not hard to understand. thinker Hi TT, Did you study logic? This is a ludicrous example. God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself. A similar one would be. Only God does miracles. Jesus and the prophets and apostles did miracles. Therefore all are God. Wake up

We have been through this one too Nick. Men perform miracles by God's authority. Jesus reveals truth according to His own authority. So I will re-write the syllogism:

Major premise: Only God may reveal truth according to His will

Minor premise: Jesus reveals the Father according to His own will (Matthew 11:27)

Conclusion: Therefore, Jesus is God

In Mark 9 the Jews used an informal syllogism. I will put it formally:

Major premise: Only God may forgive sins

Minor premise: Jesus claimed authority to forgive sins

Conclusion: Therefore, Jesus claimed to be God

thinker

[NickHassan]

Hi TT,
Jesus said in Mt 28 he had been GIVEN all authority just as you say the prophets had been given authority.
Is there some sort of difference you see here?

Jesus gave authority to the disciples to forgive sin in Jn 20.
So they became GOD too according to your weak logic?

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 04 2010,07:19)

Hi TT, All judgement HAS BEEN COMMITTED by God to the Son of Man. The lesser is blessed by the greater.[Heb7]

I aksed you long ago to show a scripture which says that the Father blessed the Son and you never did.

thinker

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 04 2010,07:27)

Hi TT, Jesus said in Mt 28 he had been GIVEN all authority just as you say the prophets had been given authority. Is there some sort of difference you see here? Jesus gave authority to the disciples to forgive sin in Jn 20. So they became GOD too according to your weak logic?

Jesus has ALL authority which the prophets did not.

You say that Jesus gave authority to forgive sins. Only God can give the authority to forgive sins. Therefore, Jesus is God.

In the past you have admitted that Jesus is God “functionally.” God means God no matter how you want to parse it. And if He is God He is YOUR God.

thinker

[NickHassan]

Hi TT,
The prophets and apostles revealed truth but they were not God?
Why are you so inconsistent?

[NickHassan]

Hi TT,
So being given ALL authority makes the recipient a god?

Our God is the Father not a committee.

[NickHassan]

Hi TT,
The Spirit of God is the greatest blessing of God and Jesus was filled with the Spirit.
We too can house this treasure if we are in him.

6.Ephesians 1:3
Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ.

7.1 Peter 4:14
If you are insulted because of the name of Christ, you are blessed, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you.

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 04 2010,08:30)

Hi TT, So being given ALL authority makes the recipient a god? Our God is the Father not a committee.

Again,

You yourself have admitted in the past that Jesus is God “functionally.” But you deny He is YOUR God.

You can't have it both ways. If Jesus has ALL authority and you say this means that He is God “functionally,” then He is Supreme over YOU.

You talk from two sides of your mouth.

thinker

[KangarooJack]

Nick said:

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The Spirit of God is the greatest blessing of God and Jesus was filled with the Spirit. We too can house this treasure if we are in him.

Invalid inference.

thinker

[NickHassan]

Hi TT,
Has the Spirit of God not been given to you?
You need that blessing.

[terraricca]

TT
you right wen you say Christ is the harm of God but this that s not make him God,
if i remove your harm from you did i not left you in a being position,yes,you would only lost a member
so your logic is false to assume that because he the functionally(harm) of his father he is is father.

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 04 2010,08:30)
Hi TT,
So being given ALL authority makes the recipient a god?

Our God is the Father not a committee.

Again,

You yourself have admitted in the past that Jesus is God “functionally.” But you deny He is YOUR God.

You can't have it both ways. If Jesus has ALL authority and you say this means that He is God “functionally,” then He is Supreme over YOU.

[terraricca]

TT

i agree Jesus i over us all ,but the supreme is a trong word reserved for the father. no???

[NickHassan]

Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 01 2010,04:52)

Gene said: Quote YOU fail to see the forest because of all the trees, dump your 600 scholars and rely on GOD to reveal His the truth to you. Gene correctly says that God reveals truth. The Son reveals truth. Therefore, the Son is God. THE SON REVEALS THE FATHER TO US: ” All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him” Matthew 11:27 Major premise: God reveals truth Minor premise: The Son reveals the Father Conclusion: Therefore, the Son is God JESUS CHRIST REVEALED THE GOSPEL TO PAUL: “But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. 12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ” Galatians 1:11-12 There it is friends! Paul said that the gospel did not come to him by man but by the revelation of Jesus Christ. It was Jesus who revealed the gospel truth to Paul andt it did not come to him by man. Then Jesus is clearly God for the truth did not come to Paul by man. Thanks Gene buddy. thinker

Hi TT,
So God IS His Son by your weak logic?

Start again.

[terraricca]

TT

RO 3:4 May it never be! Rather, let God be found true, though every man be found a liar, as it is written,
“THAT YOU MAY BE JUSTIFIED IN YOUR WORDS

[KangarooJack]

FROM THE TESTATOR THREAD:

Marty said:

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But God gave everything that he created to Jesus, he said: 13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Marty,

First, where in John 16 did Jesus say that the Father gave Him all things? He simply said that “all that the Father has is Mine.” Jesus did not say that His Father gave anything to Him.

Second, the expression “all things” refers to TRUTH. Jesus meant that “all” truth that the Father has is His own as well. The Father did not “give” truth to Jesus. The Father gave Him the authority to disclose truth.

Third, you missed the part of Christ's statement inwhich He said that the Father would send the Spirit “in MY name” (or on My authority). Therefore, in the new covenant age truth is revealed according to Christ's own Sovereign will.

Supporting verse:

All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him. Matthew 11:27

thinker

[NickHassan]

Hi TT,
God gave him all authority.
You still do not grasp this concept thinking he must somehow be that God Who blessed him.

ERGO??

[david]

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Major premise: God reveals truth Minor premise: The Son reveals the Father Conclusion: Therefore, the Son is God

Does this mean, Thinker, that you don't reveal truth? Don't think about it toooo hard.

No cat has two tails.
Every cat has one more tail than no cat.
Therefore, every cat has 3 tails.

Thinker, I'm just curious if you can see any errors in the above?

Nothing is better than steak.
Hamburger is better than nothing.
Therefore, hamburger is better than steak.

Anything wrong with that one? What do you think?

[david]

I created a “fallacies in thinking” thread a while ago.

Thinker, you should check it out.

CA, fallacy #1 would interest you.

https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….llacies

[Ed J]

Quote (david @ Feb. 24 2010,17:26)

Nothing is better than steak. Hamburger is better than nothing. Therefore, hamburger is better than steak. Anything wrong with that one?  What do you think?

Hi David,

Excellent depiction of the Thinker's faulty logic!
   To bad Thinker refuses to learn from others.

Is. 61:3 …that they might be called trees of righteousness,
          the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.
Gen.2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying,
         Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
         But of the tree of the knowledge of Good and evil,
         (which is in the midst of the garden) thou shalt not eat of it:
         for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

God bless David!
Witnessing to the world in behalf of…
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Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34)
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