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some here still live in the flesh of the old Israel according to the flesh,ignoring that God as divorce and repudiated that nation ,and also give her according to what she had done ,
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 15 2013,00:02) resting some here still live in the flesh of the old Israel according to the flesh,ignoring that God as divorce and repudiated that nation ,and also give her according to what she had done ,
As a nation, yes.There is only one nation who is the apple of Gods eye today and forever, and they are the elect in Christ.—
2Jn 1:1 The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth;
2Jn 1:2 For the truth's sake, which dwelleth in us, and shall be with us for ever.
2Jn 1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.
2Jn 1:4 I rejoiced greatly that I found of thy children walking in truth, as we have received a commandment from the Father.
2Jn 1:5 And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.1Pe 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
1Pe 2:3 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.
1Pe 2:4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,
1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
1Pe 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
1Pe 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1Pe 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.Will give response to wakeups post later.
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Quote (Resting @ Nov. 15 2013,00:39) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 15 2013,00:02) resting some here still live in the flesh of the old Israel according to the flesh,ignoring that God as divorce and repudiated that nation ,and also give her according to what she had done ,
As a nation, yes.There is only one nation who is the apple of Gods eye today and forever, and they are the elect in Christ.—
2Jn 1:1 The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth;
2Jn 1:2 For the truth's sake, which dwelleth in us, and shall be with us for ever.
2Jn 1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.
2Jn 1:4 I rejoiced greatly that I found of thy children walking in truth, as we have received a commandment from the Father.
2Jn 1:5 And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.1Pe 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
1Pe 2:3 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.
1Pe 2:4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,
1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
1Pe 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
1Pe 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1Pe 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.Will give response to wakeups post later.
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agreed, and there are many more scriptures to thisQuote (Wakeup @ Nov. 14 2013,23:17) Quote (Resting @ Nov. 14 2013,15:32) The Christians are the elect whether from Jew or Gentile. Israel is much more that Jews and it is Israel the elect who will be gathered together which includes all gentile believers.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Eph 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Eph 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.I have no gap because I follow the scriptures correctly..
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Resting.Quote
Israel is much more that Jews and it is Israel the elect who will be gathered together which includes all gentile believers.Quote The election is of the jews only,since the days of Elijah.
there were 7000jews reserved,not gentiles.
In Paul's day also,and of all generation jews.Not so.
1Th 1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1Th 1:2 We give thanks to God always for you all, making mention of you in our prayers;
1Th 1:3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;
1Th 1:4 Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.Quote The *BIG GAP* to be filled by the christian doctrine is:
Isaiah 11; 65; and zech 14.
Flesh; living in the kingdom with no pain,and tears,
and they still die. And this is after the resurrection
at the second coming. ??For they teach that at the coming all christians will be
resurrected;and the rest cast into the fire.I don't.
Quote Jesus said that there will be gnashing of teeth,when christians are found to be left out of the kingdom of God.
Jesus will say to the luke warm christians:
Go away I dont know you.If He does not know them then they are not Christians.
Quote Christians surviving armageddon also will be *outside* the kingdom. They will be out with the gentiles and taught
by the resurrected saints and by the taught jews.God makes no distinction between Jew and Gentile in His Kingdom.
Only those who obey the messages of the three angels of Rev.ch 14 will enter the millennium, regardless of their being Jew or Gentile.
Quote True christian jews will be resurrected, with all the true christian gentiles.The non christiaan jews will be brought back to their own land,by election.(not all). No. The children of the Bride are believers from all nations, not becoming filled with the Spirit until Rev.22:2.
Quote Jeremiah 31:15 Thus saith the LORD; A voice was heard in Ramah, lamentation, and bitter weeping; Rahel weeping for her children refused to be comforted for her children, **because they were not**.
THESE CHILDREN WERE KILLED BY HEROD,
THEY WILL ALSO BE BROUGHT BACK.No. That is false, no scripture says so.
Quote Jeremiah 31:16 Thus saith the LORD; Refrain thy voice from weeping, and thine eyes from tears: for thy work shall be rewarded, saith the LORD; and they shall come again from the land of the enemy.
THEY WILL BE REWARDED.
THEY SHALL **COME AGAIN** FROM THE LAND OF THE ENEMY.(THE GRAVE IS THE LAND OF THE ENEMY).No. It is speaking of returning from Babylon.
Quote Jeremiah 31:17 And there is hope in thine end, saith the LORD, that thy children shall come again to their own border. THOSE CHILDREN SHALL COME **AGAIN**.
BACK TO LIFE ONCE MORE,LIVING IN THAT SAME PLACE.No. The children of Abraham are the believers from all nations who are in Christ, and they are alive at Christ's return.Rev.18:4
Quote Jeremiah 31:18 I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus; Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke: turn thou me, and I shall be turned; for thou art the LORD my God.
RAMA IS OF THE TRIBE OF EPHRAIM,WHERE THOSE CHILDREN WERE LIVING.These turning back are chastised by the Lord, showing they are living persons who had gone astray.
Quote Moses did not bring back israel,because israel was not,
untill God has chosen them to be his people.
The Hebrews in Egypt was NOT brought back.
Isreal was then the land of the canaanites.
So you are wrong here.The second gathering of Israel is the gathering of the saints and the new believers at the return of Christ.
You have a lot to learn.
Res.
Quote (Resting @ Nov. 15 2013,17:34) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 14 2013,23:17) Quote (Resting @ Nov. 14 2013,15:32) The Christians are the elect whether from Jew or Gentile. Israel is much more that Jews and it is Israel the elect who will be gathered together which includes all gentile believers.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Eph 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Eph 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.I have no gap because I follow the scriptures correctly..
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Resting.Quote
Israel is much more that Jews and it is Israel the elect who will be gathered together which includes all gentile believers.Quote The election is of the jews only,since the days of Elijah.
there were 7000jews reserved,not gentiles.
In Paul's day also,and of all generation jews.Not so.
1Th 1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1Th 1:2 We give thanks to God always for you all, making mention of you in our prayers;
1Th 1:3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;
1Th 1:4 Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.Quote The *BIG GAP* to be filled by the christian doctrine is:
Isaiah 11; 65; and zech 14.
Flesh; living in the kingdom with no pain,and tears,
and they still die. And this is after the resurrection
at the second coming. ??For they teach that at the coming all christians will be
resurrected;and the rest cast into the fire.I don't.
Quote Jesus said that there will be gnashing of teeth,when christians are found to be left out of the kingdom of God.
Jesus will say to the luke warm christians:
Go away I dont know you.If He does not know them then they are not Christians.
Quote Christians surviving armageddon also will be *outside* the kingdom. They will be out with the gentiles and taught
by the resurrected saints and by the taught jews.God makes no distinction between Jew and Gentile in His Kingdom.
Only those who obey the messages of the three angels of Rev.ch 14 will enter the millennium, regardless of their being Jew or Gentile.
Quote True christian jews will be resurrected, with all the true christian gentiles.The non christiaan jews will be brought back to their own land,by election.(not all). No. The children of the Bride are believers from all nations, not becoming filled with the Spirit until Rev.22:2.
Quote Jeremiah 31:15 Thus saith the LORD; A voice was heard in Ramah, lamentation, and bitter weeping; Rahel weeping for her children refused to be comforted for her children, **because they were not**.
THESE CHILDREN WERE KILLED BY HEROD,
THEY WILL ALSO BE BROUGHT BACK.No. That is false, no scripture says so.
Quote Jeremiah 31:16 Thus saith the LORD; Refrain thy voice from weeping, and thine eyes from tears: for thy work shall be rewarded, saith the LORD; and they shall come again from the land of the enemy.
THEY WILL BE REWARDED.
THEY SHALL **COME AGAIN** FROM THE LAND OF THE ENEMY.(THE GRAVE IS THE LAND OF THE ENEMY).No. It is speaking of returning from Babylon.
Quote Jeremiah 31:17 And there is hope in thine end, saith the LORD, that thy children shall come again to their own border. THOSE CHILDREN SHALL COME **AGAIN**.
BACK TO LIFE ONCE MORE,LIVING IN THAT SAME PLACE.No. The children of Abraham are the believers from all nations who are in Christ, and they are alive at Christ's return.Rev.18:4
Quote Jeremiah 31:18 I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus;
Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke: turn thou me, and I shall be turned; for thou art the LORD my God.
RAMA IS OF THE TRIBE OF EPHRAIM,WHERE THOSE CHILDREN WERE LIVING.These turning back are chastised by the Lord, showing they are living persons who had gone astray.
Quote Moses did not bring back israel,because israel was not,
untill God has chosen them to be his people.
The Hebrews in Egypt was NOT brought back.
Isreal was then the land of the canaanites.
So you are wrong here.The second gathering of Israel is the gathering of the saints and the new believers at the return of Christ.
You have a lot to learn.
Res.
Resting.Quote 1Th 1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1Th 1:2 We give thanks to God always for you all, making mention of you in our prayers;
1Th 1:3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;
1Th 1:4 Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.Paul is speaking to the believers here.
The christian elect. Not to the non believing jews.Quote God makes no distinction between Jew and Gentile in His Kingdom.
Only those who obey the messages of the three angels of Rev.ch 14 will enter the millennium, regardless of their being Jew or Gentile.I agree:
Quote No. The children of the Bride are believers from all nations, not becoming filled with the Spirit until Rev.22:2. Agree/disagree: The children of the bride(zion) are the true believers.
No: They are all in the Holy spirit;because they are
the children of zion. The Holy spirit is given *before*; *not later*.Rev.22 Is the very last happening,when the earth has been made new. Only then, will the tabernacle of God come to the earth.Verse 4. They will see God's face.
Quote
No. That is false, no scripture says so.
Resting: I did not make that up.
It's in the kjv. What bible have you got?(interesting)
There are many verses taken out in some new translations.
God was prophesying re' the children killed in ramah.
Ramah is not all israel;but the tribe of ephraim.
The jews in babylon were not weeping.[/QUOTE]No. The children of Abraham are the believers from all nations who are in Christ, and they are alive at Christ's return.Rev.18:4
Quote Agree:
But the children of the weeping *Rahel*(not abraham) are the children, murdered by Herod.
That is the time when *Ephraim* was chastised,**not israel**.LETS NOT GET VERY DEFENSIVE NOW.
The second gathering of Israel is the gathering of the saints and the new believers at the return of Christ.The gathering of the saints is happening now.
There are many true believers; because the are drawn by God.
No one can come to the Son, unless the Father draws him.
We dont choose God; God choses us.
And they will be resurrected at the coming.wakeup.
Sorry: this was my quote:
Agree:
But the children of the weeping *Rahel*(not abraham) are the children, murdered by Herod.
That is the time when *Ephraim* was chastised,**not israel**.LETS NOT GET VERY DEFENSIVE NOW. (wakeup)
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 15 2013,22:33) Quote (Resting @ Nov. 15 2013,17:34) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 14 2013,23:17) Quote (Resting @ Nov. 14 2013,15:32) The Christians are the elect whether from Jew or Gentile. Israel is much more that Jews and it is Israel the elect who will be gathered together which includes all gentile believers.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Eph 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Eph 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.I have no gap because I follow the scriptures correctly..
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Resting.Quote
Israel is much more that Jews and it is Israel the elect who will be gathered together which includes all gentile believers.Quote The election is of the jews only,since the days of Elijah.
there were 7000jews reserved,not gentiles.
In Paul's day also,and of all generation jews.Not so.
1Th 1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1Th 1:2 We give thanks to God always for you all, making mention of you in our prayers;
1Th 1:3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;
1Th 1:4 Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.Quote The *BIG GAP* to be filled by the christian doctrine is:
Isaiah 11; 65; and zech 14.
Flesh; living in the kingdom with no pain,and tears,
and they still die. And this is after the resurrection
at the second coming. ??For they teach that at the coming all christians will be
resurrected;and the rest cast into the fire.I don't.
Quote Jesus said that there will be gnashing of teeth,when christians are found to be left out of the kingdom of God.
Jesus will say to the luke warm christians:
Go away I dont know you.If He does not know them then they are not Christians.
Quote Christians surviving armageddon also will be *outside* the kingdom. They will be out with the gentiles and taught
by the resurrected saints and by the taught jews.God makes no distinction between Jew and Gentile in His Kingdom.
Only those who obey the messages of the three angels of Rev.ch 14 will enter the millennium, regardless of their being Jew or Gentile.
Quote True christian jews will be resurrected, with all the true christian gentiles.The non christiaan jews will be brought back to their own land,by election.(not all). No. The children of the Bride are believers from all nations, not becoming filled with the Spirit until Rev.22:2.
Quote Jeremiah 31:15 Thus saith the LORD; A voice was heard in Ramah, lamentation, and bitter weeping; Rahel weeping for her children refused to be comforted for her children, **because they were not**.
THESE CHILDREN WERE KILLED BY HEROD,
THEY WILL ALSO BE BROUGHT BACK.No. That is false, no scripture says so.
Quote Jeremiah 31:16 Thus saith the LORD; Refrain thy voice from weeping, and thine eyes from tears: for thy work shall be rewarded, saith the LORD; and they shall come again from the land of the enemy.
THEY WILL BE REWARDED.
THEY SHALL **COME AGAIN** FROM THE LAND OF THE ENEMY.(THE GRAVE IS THE LAND OF THE ENEMY).No. It is speaking of returning from Babylon.
Quote Jeremiah 31:17 And there is hope in thine end, saith the LORD, that thy children shall come again to their own border. THOSE CHILDREN SHALL COME **AGAIN**.
BACK TO LIFE ONCE MORE,LIVING IN THAT SAME PLACE.No. The children of Abraham are the believers from all nations who are in Christ, and they are alive at Christ's return.Rev.18:4
Quote Jeremiah 31:18 I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus; Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke: turn thou me, and I shall be turned; for thou art the LORD my God.
RAMA IS OF THE TRIBE OF EPHRAIM,WHERE THOSE CHILDREN WERE LIVING.These turning back are chastised by the Lord, showing they are living persons who had gone astray.
Quote Moses did not bring back israel,because israel was not,
untill God has chosen them to be his people.
The Hebrews in Egypt was NOT brought back.
Isreal was then the land of the canaanites.
So you are wrong here.The second gathering of Israel is the gathering of the saints and the new believers at the return of Christ.
You have a lot to learn.
Res.
Resting.Quote 1Th 1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1Th 1:2 We give thanks to God always for you all, making mention of you in our prayers;
1Th 1:3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;
1Th 1:4 Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.Paul is speaking to the believers here.
The christian elect. Not to the non believing jews.Quote God makes no distinction between Jew and Gentile in His Kingdom.
Only those who obey the messages of the three angels of Rev.ch 14 will enter the millennium, regardless of their being Jew or Gentile.I agree:
Quote No. The children of the Bride are believers from all nations, not becoming filled with the Spirit until Rev.22:2. Agree/disagree: The children of the bride(zion) are the true believers.
No: They are all in the Holy spirit;because they are
the children of zion. The Holy spirit is given *before*; *not later*.Rev.22 Is the very last happening,when the earth has been made new. Only then, will the tabernacle of God come to the earth.Verse 4. They will see God's face.
Quote
No. That is false, no scripture says so.
Resting: I did not make that up.
It's in the kjv. What bible have you got?(interesting)
There are many verses taken out in some new translations.
God was prophesying re' the children killed in ramah.
Ramah is not all israel;but the tribe of ephraim.
The jews in babylon were not weeping.[/QUOTE]No. The children of Abraham are the believers from all nations who are in Christ, and they are alive at Christ's return.Rev.18:4
Quote Agree:
But the children of the weeping *Rahel*(not abraham) are the children, murdered by Herod.
That is the time when *Ephraim* was chastised,**not israel**.LETS NOT GET VERY DEFENSIVE NOW.
The second gathering of Israel is the gathering of the saints and the new believers at the return of Christ.The gathering of the saints is happening now.
There are many true believers; because the are drawn by God.
No one can come to the Son, unless the Father draws him.
We dont choose God; God choses us.
And they will be resurrected at the coming.wakeup.
Wakeup,You seem to be contradiction yourself many times without realizing it.
There is only one elect nation under God period.
God is not dealing with the Jews any different that to buddists etc.
The new Heavens and earth does not need to be healed by the river from the throne of God.
The Jerusalem from above is the Lord and His saints and they come down at the beginning of the mill, not at the end.
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Quote The Jerusalem from above is the Lord and His saints and they come down at the beginning of the mill, not at the end.
Rev 21:4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”
Rev 20:7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison
Rev 20:8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Rev 20:5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection.Rev 20:14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.
Rev 20:15 If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.
Rev 21:2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.according to those scriptures ,your quotation is not true right
please explain Quote (Resting @ Nov. 16 2013,05:43) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 15 2013,22:33) Quote (Resting @ Nov. 15 2013,17:34) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 14 2013,23:17) Quote (Resting @ Nov. 14 2013,15:32) The Christians are the elect whether from Jew or Gentile. Israel is much more that Jews and it is Israel the elect who will be gathered together which includes all gentile believers.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Eph 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Eph 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.I have no gap because I follow the scriptures correctly..
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Resting.Quote
Israel is much more that Jews and it is Israel the elect who will be gathered together which includes all gentile believers.Quote The election is of the jews only,since the days of Elijah.
there were 7000jews reserved,not gentiles.
In Paul's day also,and of all generation jews.Not so.
1Th 1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1Th 1:2 We give thanks to God always for you all, making mention of you in our prayers;
1Th 1:3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;
1Th 1:4 Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.Quote The *BIG GAP* to be filled by the christian doctrine is:
Isaiah 11; 65; and zech 14.
Flesh; living in the kingdom with no pain,and tears,
and they still die. And this is after the resurrection
at the second coming. ??For they teach that at the coming all christians will be
resurrected;and the rest cast into the fire.I don't.
Quote Jesus said that there will be gnashing of teeth,when christians are found to be left out of the kingdom of God.
Jesus will say to the luke warm christians:
Go away I dont know you.If He does not know them then they are not Christians.
Quote Christians surviving armageddon also will be *outside* the kingdom. They will be out with the gentiles and taught
by the resurrected saints and by the taught jews.God makes no distinction between Jew and Gentile in His Kingdom.
Only those who obey the messages of the three angels of Rev.ch 14 will enter the millennium, regardless of their being Jew or Gentile.
Quote True christian jews will be resurrected, with all the true christian gentiles.The non christiaan jews will be brought back to their own land,by election.(not all). No. The children of the Bride are believers from all nations, not becoming filled with the Spirit until Rev.22:2.
Quote Jeremiah 31:15 Thus saith the LORD; A voice was heard in Ramah, lamentation, and bitter weeping; Rahel weeping for her children refused to be comforted for her children, **because they were not**.
THESE CHILDREN WERE KILLED BY HEROD,
THEY WILL ALSO BE BROUGHT BACK.No. That is false, no scripture says so.
Quote Jeremiah 31:16 Thus saith the LORD; Refrain thy voice from weeping, and thine eyes from tears: for thy work shall be rewarded, saith the LORD; and they shall come again from the land of the enemy.
THEY WILL BE REWARDED.
THEY SHALL **COME AGAIN** FROM THE LAND OF THE ENEMY.(THE GRAVE IS THE LAND OF THE ENEMY).No. It is speaking of returning from Babylon.
Quote Jeremiah 31:17 And there is hope in thine end, saith the LORD, that thy children shall come again to their own border. THOSE CHILDREN SHALL COME **AGAIN**.
BACK TO LIFE ONCE MORE,LIVING IN THAT SAME
PLACE.No. The children of Abraham are the believers from all nations who are in Christ, and they are alive at Christ's return.Rev.18:4
Quote Jeremiah 31:18 I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus; Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke: turn thou me, and I shall be turned; for thou art the LORD my God.
RAMA IS OF THE TRIBE OF EPHRAIM,WHERE THOSE CHILDREN WERE LIVING.These turning back are chastised by the Lord, showing they are living persons who had gone astray.
Quote Moses did not bring back israel,because israel was not,
untill God has chosen them to be his people.
The Hebrews in Egypt was NOT brought back.
Isreal was then the land of the canaanites.
So you are wrong here.The second gathering of Israel is the gathering of the saints and the new believers at the return of Christ.
You have a lot to learn.
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Resting.Quote 1Th 1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1Th 1:2 We give thanks to God always for you all, making mention of you in our prayers;
1Th 1:3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;
1Th 1:4 Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.Paul is speaking to the believers here.
The christian elect. Not to the non believing jews.Quote God makes no distinction between Jew and Gentile in His Kingdom.
Only those who obey the messages of the three angels of Rev.ch 14 will enter the millennium, regardless of their being Jew or Gentile.I agree:
Quote No. The children of the Bride are believers from all nations, not becoming filled with the Spirit until Rev.22:2. Agree/disagree: The children of the bride(zion) are the true believers.
No: They are all in the Holy spirit;because they are
the children of zion. The Holy spirit is given *before*; *not later*.Rev.22 Is the very last happening,when the earth has been made new. Only then, will the tabernacle of God come to the earth.Verse 4. They will see God's face.
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No. That is false, no scripture says so.
Resting: I did not make that up.
It's in the kjv. What bible have you got?(interesting)
There are many verses taken out in some new translations.
God was prophesying re' the children killed in ramah.
Ramah is not all israel;but the tribe of ephraim.
The jews in babylon were not weeping.No. The children of Abraham are the believers from all nations who are in Christ, and they are alive at Christ's return.Rev.18:4
Quote Agree:
But the children of the weeping *Rahel*(not abraham) are the children, murdered by Herod.
That is the time when *Ephraim* was chastised,**not israel**.LETS NOT GET VERY DEFENSIVE NOW.
The second gathering of Israel is the gathering of the saints and the new believers at the return of Christ.Quote The gathering of the saints is happening now.
There are many true believers; because the are drawn by God.
No one can come to the Son, unless the Father draws him.
We dont choose God; God choses us.
And they will be resurrected at the coming.wakeup.
Wakeup,You seem to be contradiction yourself many times without realizing it.
There is only one elect nation under God period.
God is not dealing with the Jews any different that to buddists etc.
The new Heavens and earth does not need to be healed by the river from the throne of God.
The Jerusalem from above is the Lord and His saints and they come down at the beginning of the mill, not at the end.
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Resting.Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits;
***that blindness in part is happened to Israel, **until** the
fulness of the Gentiles be come in.**Blindnes in part happened to israel**
** UNTILL THE FULNESS OF THE GENTILES BE COME IN**
UNTILL THE GOSPEL IS PREACHED TO ALL THE NATIONS.
THIS WILL BE AT THE END TIME; NOT AT THE BEGINNING
OF THE PREACHING.Can you show me the scriptures I have contradicted?
wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 16 2013,06:26) res Quote The Jerusalem from above is the Lord and His saints and they come down at the beginning of the mill, not at the end.
Rev 21:4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”
Rev 20:7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison
Rev 20:8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Rev 20:5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection.Rev 20:14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.
Rev 20:15 If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.
Rev 21:2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.according to those scriptures ,your quotation is not true right
please explain
Ter,and wakeup.Rev.ch 21:1 belongs to the end of ch 20.
The fresh heavens and earth with no more sea can not refer to the time of the new Jerusalem being on the earth which has nations many still on it when it comes down at the first.
The new Jerusalem of above does liberate the old Jerusalem in order to begin the reign of Christ with His saints over the nations.
The time of the arrival of the Heavenly Jerusalem on earth must be almost the same time as the return of Christ to raise the saints who are the living members of it.
The Heavenly Jerusalem will liberate the Jerusalem of stone as shown in Zech ch 12.
and–Isa 31:4 For thus hath the LORD spoken unto me, Like as the lion and the young lion roaring on his prey, when a multitude of shepherds is called forth against him, he will not be afraid of their voice, nor abase himself for the noise of them: so shall the LORD of hosts come down to fight for mount Zion, and for the hill thereof.
Isa 31:5 As birds flying, so will the LORD of hosts defend Jerusalem; defending also he will deliver it; and passing over he will preserve it.
Isa 31:6 Turn ye unto him from whom the children of Israel have deeply revolted.
Isa 31:7 For in that day every man shall cast away his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which your own hands have made unto you for a sin.THEN–
Isa 31:8 Then shall the Assyrian fall with the sword, not of a mighty man; and the sword, not of a mean man, shall devour him: but he shall flee from the sword, and his young men shall be discomfited.
Isa 31:9 And he shall pass over to his strong hold for fear, and his princes shall be afraid of the ensign, saith the LORD, whose fire is in Zion, and his furnace in Jerusalem.Res.
Quote (Resting @ Nov. 16 2013,18:52) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 16 2013,06:26) res Quote The Jerusalem from above is the Lord and His saints and they come down at the beginning of the mill, not at the end.
Rev 21:4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”
Rev 20:7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison
Rev 20:8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Rev 20:5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection.Rev 20:14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.
Rev 20:15 If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.
Rev 21:2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.according to those scriptures ,your quotation is not true right
please explain
Ter,and wakeup.Rev.ch 21:1 belongs to the end of ch 20.
The fresh heavens and earth with no more sea can not refer to the time of the new Jerusalem being on the earth which has nations many still on it when it comes down at the first.
The new Jerusalem of above does liberate the old Jerusalem in order to begin the reign of Christ with His saints over the nations.
The time of the arrival of the Heavenly Jerusalem on earth must be almost the same time as the return of Christ to raise the saints who are the living members of it.
The Heavenly Jerusalem will liberate the Jerusalem of stone as shown in Zech ch 12.
and–Isa 31:4 For thus hath the LORD spoken unto me, Like as the lion and the young lion roaring on his prey, when a multitude of shepherds is called forth against him, he will not be afraid of their voice, nor abase himself for the noise of them: so shall the LORD of hosts come down to fight for mount Zion, and for the hill thereof.
Isa 31:5 As birds flying, so will the LORD of hosts defend Jerusalem; defending also he will deliver it; and passing over he will preserve it.
Isa 31:6 Turn ye unto him from whom the children of Israel have deeply revolted.
Isa 31:7 For in that day every man shall cast away his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which your own hands have made unto you for a sin.THEN–
Isa 31:8 Then shall the Assyrian fall with the sword, not of a mighty man; and the sword, not of a mean man, shall devour him: but he shall flee from the sword, and his young men shall be discomfited.
Isa 31:9 And he shall pass over to his strong hold for fear, and his princes shall be afraid of the ensign, saith the LORD, whose fire is in Zion, and his furnace in Jerusalem.Res.
Resting.I will give Terra the privilege to answer this, your post.
wakeup.
Quote (Resting @ Nov. 16 2013,13:52) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 16 2013,06:26) res Quote The Jerusalem from above is the Lord and His saints and they come down at the beginning of the mill, not at the end.
Rev 21:4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”
Rev 20:7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison
Rev 20:8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Rev 20:5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection.Rev 20:14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.
Rev 20:15 If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.
Rev 21:2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.according to those scriptures ,your quotation is not true right
please explain
Ter,and wakeup.Rev.ch 21:1 belongs to the end of ch 20.
The fresh heavens and earth with no more sea can not refer to the time of the new Jerusalem being on the earth which has nations many still on it when it comes down at the first.
The new Jerusalem of above does liberate the old Jerusalem in order to begin the reign of Christ with His saints over the nations.
The time of the arrival of the Heavenly Jerusalem on earth must be almost the same time as the return of Christ to raise the saints who are the living members of it.
The Heavenly Jerusalem will liberate the Jerusalem of stone as shown in Zech ch 12.
and–Isa 31:4 For thus hath the LORD spoken unto me, Like as the lion and the young lion roaring on his prey, when a multitude of shepherds is called forth against him, he will not be afraid of their voice, nor abase himself for the noise of them: so shall the LORD of hosts come down to fight for mount Zion, and for the hill thereof.
Isa 31:5 As birds flying, so will the LORD of hosts defend Jerusalem; defending also he will deliver it; and passing over he will preserve it.
Isa 31:6 Turn ye unto him from whom the children of Israel have deeply revolted.
Isa 31:7 For in that day every man shall cast away his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which your own hands have made unto you for a sin.THEN–
Isa 31:8 Then shall the Assyrian fall with the sword, not of a mighty man; and the sword, not of a mean man, shall devour him: but he shall flee from the sword, and his young men shall be discomfited.
Isa 31:9 And he shall pass over to his strong hold for fear, and his princes shall be afraid of the ensign, saith the LORD, whose fire is in Zion, and his furnace in Jerusalem.Res.
RESTINGWHAT YOU SAY DOES NOT CHANGE ANYTHING ;
Rev 20:11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.
Rev 20:13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done.
Rev 20:14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.
Rev 20:15 If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.the above scriptures shows the judgement and the final destruction of those opposed to Christ ,the following scriptures show what should be done to be saved
Rev 21:7 He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son.
Rev 21:8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”Rev 8:1 When he opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour.
Rev 8:2 And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and to them were given seven trumpets.
Rev 8:3 Another angel, who had a golden censer, came and stood at the altar. He was given much incense to offer, with the prayers of all the saints, on the golden altar before the throne.
Rev 8:4 The smoke of the incense, together with the prayers of the saints, went up before God from the angel’s hand.
Rev 8:5 Then the angel took the censer, filled it with fire from the altar, and hurled it on the earth; and there came peals of thunder, rumblings, flashes of lightning and an earthquake.I believe that this seventh trumpet is the beginning of the judgement of the second resurrection,and that the time of there test will be 1/2 hour or 10 years and 3 months based on the i days = 1000 years ;
because there will be some people that will be saved from the second resurrection and those have to be tested in Christ ,
Quote (Resting @ Nov. 17 2013,16:31) Ok Wakeups turn. Res.
Resting.Arn't you going to answer Terra?
Quote Terra:
Rev 21:4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”Is this in the new earth.
Quote Rev 20:7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison
Rev 20:8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Agree.
Quote
Rev 20:5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection.Agree.
Quote
Rev 20:14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.
Rev 20:15 If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.Death and hell will be cast in the fire after gog is desstroyed.
The white throne judgement comes after gog and magog.Quote
Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.
Rev 21:2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.First the sheep will be accepted,and the goats cast in the fire.
*Now all are spirit*. There are no more dead in the graves.
All sheep will be taken up. Then the earth will be melted,and a new earth created.
Then holy Jerusalem will come down to earth.
God's tabernacle will be on earth.
Then God himself will dwell amongst his children.
******************************************Quote Rev.ch 21:1 belongs to the end of ch 20.
The fresh heavens and earth with no more sea can not refer to the time of the new Jerusalem being on the earth which has nations many still on it when it comes down at the first.New Jerusalem will be the established at the coming.The 1000yr kingdom on earth is the restoring of the jews and gentiles through Christ.The saints will rule over them.
Agree; this is not the new earth yet.Quote The new Jerusalem of above does liberate the old Jerusalem in order to begin the reign of Christ with His saints over the nations.
The time of the arrival of the Heavenly Jerusalem on earth must be almost the same time as the return of Christ to raise the saints who are the living members of it.
The Heavenly Jerusalem will liberate the Jerusalem of stone as shown in Zech ch 12.
and–You mean heavenly Jerusalem? Not the new Jerusalem.
The Lord's is not coming with new Jerusalem.
But He is coming *to establish* new Jerusalem.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 17 2013,20:14) [/quote]
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Resting.Arn't you going to answer Terra?[/quote]
When someone tells me anything I say will make no difference then there is no point in saying anything to them.
Quote Terra:
Rev 21:4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”Is this in the new earth.
The process is that God establishes His Kingdom in the middle east and extends it throughout the earth where the gospel is obeyed< but the end of the thousand years shows the same end as the end of other ages except it is no fault of Christ or His ruling saints.
Quote Rev 20:7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison
Rev 20:8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Agree.
Quote
Rev 20:5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection.Agree.
Quote
Rev 20:14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.
Rev 20:15 If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.Death and hell will be cast in the fire after gog is desstroyed.
The white throne judgement comes after gog and magog.The gog and Magog at the end of the thousand years are the same kind of people destroyed at the beginning of the thousand years described in Ezekiel.
Quote
Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.
Rev 21:2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.First the sheep will be accepted,and the goats cast in the fire.
*Now all are spirit*. There are no more dead in the graves.
All sheep will be taken up. Then the earth will be melted,and a new earth created.
Then holy Jerusalem will come down to earth.
God's tabernacle will be on earth.
Then God himself will dwell amongst his children.
******************************************The Lambs wife comes down with Christ shortly after the first resurrection.
Quote Rev.ch 21:1 belongs to the end of ch 20.
The fresh heavens and earth with no more sea can not refer to the time of the new Jerusalem being on the earth which has nations many still on it when it comes down at the first.New Jerusalem will be the established at the coming.The 1000yr kingdom on earth is the restoring of the jews and gentiles through Christ.The saints will rule over them.
Agree; this is not the new earth yet.ok
Quote The new Jerusalem of above does liberate the old Jerusalem in order to begin the reign of Christ with His saints over the nations.
The time of the arrival of the Heavenly Jerusalem on earth must be almost the same time as the return of Christ to raise the saints who are the living members of it.
The Heavenly Jerusalem will liberate the Jerusalem of stone as shown in Zech ch 12.
and–You mean heavenly Jerusalem? Not the new Jerusalem.
The Lord's is not coming with new Jerusalem.
But He is coming *to establish* new Jerusalem.by the inhabitance of the Heavenly Jerusalem.
Res.
Quote (Resting @ Nov. 18 2013,07:21) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 17 2013,20:14) [/quote]
Res.
Resting.Arn't you going to answer Terra?[/quote]
When someone tells me anything I say will make no difference then there is no point in saying anything to them.
Quote Terra:
Rev 21:4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”Is this in the new earth.
The process is that God establishes His Kingdom in the middle east and extends it throughout the earth where the gospel is obeyed< but the end of the thousand years shows the same end as the end of other ages except it is no fault of Christ or His ruling saints.
Quote Rev 20:7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison
Rev 20:8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Agree.
Quote
Rev 20:5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection.Agree.
Quote
Rev 20:14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.
Rev 20:15 If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.Death and hell will be cast in the fire after gog is desstroyed.
The white throne judgement comes after gog and magog.The gog and Magog at the end of the thousand years are the same kind of people destroyed at the beginning of the thousand years described in Ezekiel.
Quote
Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.
Rev 21:2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.First the sheep will be accepted,and the goats cast in the fire.
*Now all are spirit*. There are no more dead in the graves.
All sheep will be taken up. Then the earth will be melted,and a new earth created.
Then holy Jerusalem will come down to earth.
God's tabernacle will be on earth.
Then God himself will dwell amongst his children.
******************************************The Lambs wife comes down with Christ shortly after the first resurrection.
Quote Rev.ch 21:1 belongs to the end of ch 20.
The fresh heavens and earth with no more sea can not refer to the time of the new Jerusalem being on the earth which has nations many still on it when it comes down at the first.New Jerusalem will be the established at the coming.The 1000yr kingdom on earth is the restoring of the jews and gentiles through Christ.The saints will rule over them.
Agree; this is not the new earth yet.ok
Quote The new Jerusalem of above does liberate the old Jerusalem in order to begin the reign of Christ with His saints over the nations.
The time of the arrival of the Heavenly Jerusalem on earth must be almost the same time as the return of Christ to raise the saints who are the living members of it.
The Heavenly Jerusalem will liberate the Jerusalem of stone as shown in Zech ch 12.
and–You mean heavenly Jerusalem? Not the new Jerusalem.
The Lord's is not coming with new Jerusalem.
But He is coming *to establish* new Jerusalem.by the inhabitance of the Heavenly Jerusalem.
Res.
Resting.The 1000yr kingdom.
Revelation 21:16 ***And the city lieth foursquare***,
and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, ***twelve thousand furlongs***.
The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
about 2240 km in length breadth,and hight.
No fly zone to satans angels.wakeup.
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