God in the flesh

[kenrch]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 22 2007,22:39)

Hi kenrch, What do you think?

I see you have nothing to say. OK!

[Cult Buster]

Jesus, The King of Kings and Lord of Lords, is the Almighty God

Rev 19:13  And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14  And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15  And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Rev 19:16  And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
Rev 19:17  And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

The Word of God described in verse 13 is Jesus because

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:14  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,

The following  verse confirms that Jesus (the Lamb of God) is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords

Rev 17:14  These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Let us now look more closely at Rev 19:15.

Rev 19:15  And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Who is this Almighty God who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron?

Rev 12:5  And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron

It’s JESUS!……the Almighty God!

All these verses are obviously speaking of the same Person our Amighty God Jesus Christ.
Look at all of His titles within these verses.

the Lamb, the Word, The Word of God,  KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS, Lord of lords, and King of kings,  Almighty God, the great God,

Jesus Christ is our Almighty Jehovah God.

[NickHassan]

Hi CB,
Then who is this amazing being, the monogenes Son of God the bible speaks of?
Almighty God has a son and your salvation depends on having faith in him AS WELL.
Jn 14
” 1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. “

[NickHassan]

Hi CB,
So the sacrificial lamb of God is also the God who required his death to wash away the sins of men?

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2007,00:11)

Hi CB, So the sacrificial lamb of God is also the God who required his death to wash away the sins of men?

NH

Acts 20:28
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

[NickHassan]

Hi W,
Indeed the blood of Christ was of God.
He was the Son of God by the Spirit of God.

[Not3in1]

Nick, I have heard you say many times that Jesus is “a vessel for God from the Jordon.”

Do you simply mean that God indwelled his Son with his spirit upon his baptism? Meaning, God did not incarnate into Jesus and “become” Jesus, right? Just became one with him in the very way that we also can become one with God? Please clarify when you have a chance. I find your terminology interesting……”vessel for God.”

[NickHassan]

Hi not3,
Christ was a man.
All men are vessels designed to hold the precious Spirit of God.
Christ was unable to be told apart from any man till he was baptised in the Spirit of God at the Jordan.
We follow him into being reborn from above, sharing in the Spirit given to him, the Spirit of God.

Acts 9:15
But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
Romans 9:21
Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Romans 9:23
And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
2 Corinthians 4:7
But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
2 Timothy 2:21
If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

[epistemaniac]

hey Scott if you are still around….

t8 said “sscott.

No one can see God.”

but Jesus said He had seen the Father;

(John 6:45-46) It is written in the Prophets, 'And they will all be taught by God.' Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me– not that anyone has seen the Father except he who is from God; he has seen the Father.

and He also said that to see Him was to see God…. (the “father” is who else but God ehhhh?)

(John 14:8-9) Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?”

just a little fyi for ya…

blessings,
ken

[NickHassan]

Hi E,
So read between the lines and you see Jesus IS also the Father?
He really is his own father?
naaa

[Not3in1]

Thanks, Nick!
I just wanted to make sure your belief wasn't that Jesus was “just” the vessel for God as in a incarnation.
I understand that Jesus was filled with God at his baptism. And from then on – God worked in and through Jesus to accomplish his good purposes. But Jesus still remained his Son, and his own person.

[NickHassan]

Hi not3,
Absolutely.
An individual, a man with no headstart over us, that we can follow.
See the personal struggle he had with accepting God's will in Gethsemene.

[Proclaimer]

Quote (Not3in1 @ April 18 2007,03:07)

Thanks, Nick! I just wanted to make sure your belief wasn't that Jesus was “just” the vessel for God as in a incarnation. I understand that Jesus was filled with God at his baptism. And from then on – God worked in and through Jesus to accomplish his good purposes. But Jesus still remained his Son, and his own person.

I agree too.

If Jesus is a carnation, then when he returns he would be a reincarnation.

Yeshua is his own being/person. He is a different identity to that of God. God is the Father. The son is the messiah and lord of God's creation. God is his Father.

[charity]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 17 2007,07:00)

Hi E, So read between the lines and you see Jesus IS also the Father? He really is his own father? naaa

Well done Nick you have just noticed the joining link between the trinity doctrine
The fathers are raised by resurrection of life unto Judgment days to be put to shame or everlasting life
Psa 40:7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book [it is] written of me,
Hbr 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Hbr 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and [offering] for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure [therein]; which are offered by the law;

God dose away with the first to make way for the second Man of the heavens
Hbr 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

without the resurrection of Life;Good luck with second death;

[NickHassan]

Hi charity,
You teach that the OT ways are falsehood and only the NT is truth?
You divide the bible?
You divide the servants of God?
By whose authority do you also divide the harmonising inspiration of the Spirit of God?
Beware of judging and dividing God.

[charity]

Act 24:21 Except it be for this one voice, that I cried standing among them, Touching the resurrection of the dead I am called in question by you this day.

This is my mission Taking part in the first  Resurrection of Life
And by the resurrection of Life a king came lowly and meek

Hsa 3:5 Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.(A father from the age of the fathers becomes a Son in the age of the generation of the children of God)

Jer 23:20 The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly.

Jer 30:24 The fierce anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have done [it], and until he have performed the intents of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it.

Act 23:6 But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men [and] brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question.

[Not3in1]

Thanks, Nick!
I just wanted to make sure your belief wasn't that Jesus was “just” the vessel for God as in a incarnation.
Hi not3,
Absolutely.
*************************

In the above short conversation you said you didn't believe in the incarnation. However, in another thread you and I are a part of, you said you believe that Mary is a surrogate Mother. How do these two ideas relate to one another?

Either Jesus is just the “vessel” of God (a surrogate of Mary) and thus an incarnation of an already existing “spirit person” OR? Thanks.

[NickHassan]

Hi not3,
No I do not believe Mary is a surrogate mother but the true mother of the Son of Man[Adam].
BU belief says Jesus was a new creation placed in Mary
and that makes her a surrogate mother.

[charity]

Quote (t8 @ April 17 2007,19:38)

Quote (Not3in1 @ April 18 2007,03:07) Thanks, Nick! I just wanted to make sure your belief wasn't that Jesus was “just” the vessel for God as in a incarnation. I understand that Jesus was filled with God at his baptism.  And from then on – God worked in and through Jesus to accomplish his good purposes.  But Jesus still remained his Son, and his own person. I agree too. If Jesus is a carnation, then when he returns he would be a reincarnation. Yeshua is his own being/person. He is a different identity to that of God. God is the Father. The son is the messiah and lord of God's creation. God is his Father.

Here is the carnation of a man that was.  Carnation of the seed that remains in us
As A king once lived (David)A seed stood in his stead Ecc 4:15 I considered all the living which walk under the sun, with the second child that shall stand up in his stead.

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, [and] the bright and morning star.

He shall acomplish; Israel as many as the stars of the sky by christ

[charity]

Regenerations carnation; even christ said A body has thou prepared for me to do your will

The seed of Man and woman filled the earth as creators; the seed of the followers of the Christ in the regenerations promise to resurrection to return;Mal 3:18 Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not. Mat 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the *regeneration* when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. These replenish and subdue the earth in the Day that God has Made Men in his Image Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Tts 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of *regeneration*, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

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