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Kenrch
Quote CB, Christ was the one who initiated the work of Creation. In other words, Christ is the Beginner or Originator of Creation, and not Creation's first creature. He is the One who is creating, rather than being created.
Where does scripture say this?
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,
Kenrch, you get rightly worked up when people ignore your scriptures re. the commandments, but how can you ignore all the following?
Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
JOHN 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,ROMANS 9:5 Whose {are} the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ {came}, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. {RSV, NIV: “Christ, who is God over all”}
PHILIPPIANS 2:5-6 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: (6) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
COLOSSIANS 2:9-10 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
1 TIMOTHY 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
TITUS 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; {RSV,NIV: “our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ”}
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch(Jesus), and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD (Yhovah)OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.Compare
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.With
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God:1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
Deu 32:3 Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God.
Deu 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
1Sa 2:2 There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.
1Sa 2:2 There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.
Psa 78:35 And they remembered that God was their rock, and the high God their redeemer.1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
Exo 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD (yhovah), I change not;
Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.Exo 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Joh 8:57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Joh 8:59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: (because Jesus claimed the name of God)Compare
Psa 7:8 The LORD (Jehovah) shall judge the people: judge me, O LORD, according to my righteousness, and according to mine integrity that is in me.With
2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.To CB.
Flooding any forum is usually looked down on because most people equate it to spam which is usually defined as repetitious information that a person is not interested in. If we want a group of scriptures we can get that from Biblegateway or Google easy enough.
On the other hand if you make your answers specific they will be read by more people and have the potential to be more useful and have a greater impact.
Personally speaking I think I have read about 2 of your posts and haven't read anything else, (I speak for myself and not everybody else here). The reason I don't read your posts is that they are too long and it always looks like the same post to me. They give me the same feeling as those emails from Nigeria. You know the ones, the same old stuff with maybe slightly different symbols.
Also using too much bold nullifies the usefulness of bolding text in the first place. Bold is meant to stand out, but when it is all bold nothing stands out.
Just being honest and trying to be helpful.
I wonder how many other people here actually read his posts that is they read all or most of it?
I think Is 1:18 might be the only one. Is there anyone else?
Cult Buster
Quote The picture of the ascended Christ phrased as 'seated at the right hand of the Father' is a metaphor meaning that all authority is in Christ's hands. Christ who sits on the right exercises all authority. Kenrch
Quote It can't mean what it says! That's not what I was taught. Then let the Bible teach you.
Jesus The Rock. Jehovah The Rock
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
Deu 32:3 Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God.
Deu 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
1Sa 2:2 There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.
1Sa 2:2 There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.
Psa 78:35 And they remembered that God was their rock, and the high God their redeemer.
Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Question: Who is the Rock? Christ or Peter?
Answer:
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.There you are! Jesus is Jehovah, the Rock
Quote (Cult Buster @ Mar. 19 2007,11:52) Cult Buster Quote The picture of the ascended Christ phrased as 'seated at the right hand of the Father' is a metaphor meaning that all authority is in Christ's hands. Christ who sits on the right exercises all authority. Kenrch
Quote It can't mean what it says! That's not what I was taught. Then let the Bible teach you.
Jesus The Rock. Jehovah The Rock
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
Deu 32:3 Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God.
Deu 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
1Sa 2:2 There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.
1Sa 2:2 There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.
Psa 78:35 And they remembered that God was their rock, and the high God their redeemer.
Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Question: Who is the Rock? Christ or Peter?
Answer:
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.There you are! Jesus is Jehovah, the Rock
Cb,I'm not ignoring any scriptures. If you read the scriptures in the light that Jesus is equal with God and was not the first created of God as Rev. 3:14 says then scripture will say Jesus is God. AND HE IS! The question is God of what?
Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
“THY THROWN” O GOD.. Is your (thy) thrown the same as the Father's thrown?
Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Therefore GOD (JESUS) EVEN YOUR (thy) GOD Hath anointed thee…
Aren't these scriptures saying that Jesus has a God and a thrown of His own.
Jesus is God of this NEW CREATION. That is not complete yet. When the New Creation is complete that is, all the children called and born again. When death is defeated then Jesus will present the New Creation to the Father.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
In the beginning of what? In the very beginning? OR the beginning of creation. God created THROUGH the WORD. So in the beginning of creation was the WORD. The WORD was with GOD. Certainly the Word had to be with God if anything was created. The WORD was GOD. The Word the creator that God used was God and is GOD.
God created the Word to create. Why would I want to create each part indivdually when I could create another creator that would create the parts for me.
I agree Jesus is God but Jesus has a God the same God as we do. Again we go through “our God to get to God the Father”.
Jesus IS and will always be the HEAD of the NEW CREATION (HIS THROWN) BUT He will subject His thrown to God the Father.
Because as Jesus said “The Father is greater than I”.
I don't pray to Jesus. I pray through Jesus. “no one comes to the Father except through Jesus”.
We have ALL been taught lies from the whore and most still believe the lies. Why was Pentecost fulfilled? It was to receive the Holy Spirit who is to guide us to ALL truth. But if we believe the lies that we were taught we will never see and hear what the Spirit says. We look right at the truth but still it escapes us because we look through the eyes of those who taught us.
Someone said that if we pray to Jesus then we break the first commandment. I'm not so sure about that the Father calls Jesus the God of this New Creation. Jesus is the HEAD of this New Creation. Do we go straight to the Father? NO! We go through Jesus.
May God bless you!
IHL,
Ken
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 19 2007,08:14) To CB. Flooding any forum is usually looked down on because most people equate it to spam which is usually defined as repetitious information that a person is not interested in. If we want a group of scriptures we can get that from Biblegateway or Google easy enough.
On the other hand if you make your answers specific they will be read by more people and have the potential to be more useful and have a greater impact.
Personally speaking I think I have read about 2 of your posts and haven't read anything else, (I speak for myself and not everybody else here). The reason I don't read your posts is that they are too long and it always looks like the same post to me. They give me the same feeling as those emails from Nigeria. You know the ones, the same old stuff with maybe slightly different symbols.
Also using too much bold nullifies the usefulness of bolding text in the first place. Bold is meant to stand out, but when it is all bold nothing stands out.
Just being honest and trying to be helpful.
I wonder how many other people here actually read his posts that is they read all or most of it?
I think Is 1:18 might be the only one. Is there anyone else?
Hi t8:There is no need to read his posts. It is the same thing over and over again. And as he has said, we must be “blind freddy” in that we don't understand certain scriptures as does he.
God Bless
When were any of us as he is. Is he any worse that a JWs. OR any of the other denominations who has placed man's idea into the word of the Father. His zeal is invigorating he is excited about GOD.
Reminds me when I was just born again you know when you find out God and Jesus IS REAL!!! Man I'd go to everyone thinking I was going to save everyone especially my old friends. Then I was branded a religious nut by some a Jesus freak. The brothers at church said I needed to calm down. I said it didn't sound like John the baptist calmed down! So after awhile I calmed down and FELL! HARD! Between the church telling me to calm down and my old friends (Satan) telling me I had been brain washed and the TV evangilist begging for MONEY. I put everything away. But Came back. I'm told that everyone who falls comes back hence “once saved always saved”. In my experience I believe that. God has MUCH MERCY. I Know you can fall for good but you would have to get to where you couldn't repent and MEAN IT! In other words having tasted the powers of the Holy Spirit and not just fall but actually choose the other side.
Sorry got carried away LOL!
Kenrch
Quote I'm not ignoring any scriptures. If you read the scriptures in the light that Jesus is equal with God and was not the first created of God as Rev. 3:14 says then scripture will say Jesus is God. AND HE IS! The question is God of what? So now you believe that Jesus is God?
Jesus is also Jehovah God
JESUS our JEHOVAH
JEHOVAH isI AM EXODUS 3:14
JESUS isI AMJOHN 8:57& 58JEHOVAH isFIRST & LASTISAIHA 44:6, 48:12
JESUS isFIRST & LASTREV 22:12,13,20 1:8 MICAH 5:2JEHOVAH isROCKDEUT 32:4
JESUS isROCK1 COR 10:4JEHOVAH isKINGISAIHA 33:22
JESUS isKINGREV 19:11-16JEHOVAH isCREATORISAIHA 40:28
JESUS isCREATOREPH 3:9 JOHN 1:3 COL 1:16JEHOVAH isSAVIOURISAIHA 33:22, 43:11,12
JESUS isSAVIOURACTS 4:12 MATH 1:21 LK 2:11JEHOVAH isJUDGEISAIHA 33:22
JESUS isJUDGEJOHN 5:22Jer 23:5-6 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, JEHOVAH OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Hi CB,
Have you heard of the SON of God.
You need to know about him.
Jn 14
” 1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. “
Eternal life is in him.Quote (Cult Buster @ Mar. 20 2007,04:58) Kenrch Quote I'm not ignoring any scriptures. If you read the scriptures in the light that Jesus is equal with God and was not the first created of God as Rev. 3:14 says then scripture will say Jesus is God. AND HE IS! The question is God of what? So now you believe that Jesus is God?
CB,I believe Jesus is what the Father said Jesus is.
Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.“Therefore God even thy God, hath anointed thee…”
This scripture is clearly saying that Jesus is God BUT has a GOD.
These scriptures also says Jesus has His own thrown “Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever:”
Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath “translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:”
This is what Jesus is God of: ” “translated us into the “kingdom” of his dear Son:” We the born again are in Jesus' kingdom NOW! Therefore HE, being anointed God, by GOD, IS the God of His Kingdom.
God of the Old Testament. From the fall of Adam it was Jesus' call to be the God of this earth and NEW CREATION. Being in an earthly vessel Jesus received power from the Father to “do the job”.
Again we don't just walk up to the Father's thrown. We must go through Jesus the God of the New Creation of which we are a part. Jesus sits at the right of the Father on HIS THROWN. Scripture says His Thrown is forever “Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever:”.
From scripture God the Father has anointed Jesus God of His New Creation. From scripture Jesus has HIs own Thrown that is forever. From scripture Jesus sits at the right hand of God on His Thrown. From scripture God the Father has the final say in everything.
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the “Son also himself be subject unto him” that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
IS Jesus God? Yes God of this New Creation. Is Jesus the Father. NO Jesus has His own thrown and sits at the right of the Father. Is Jesus equal with the Father NO. Scripture says that Jesus will be subject to the Father.
To me through scripture this clears up the confusion of Jesus the Son of God, being God of His own kingdom, YET subject to the Father. The Father says Jesus IS God.
IHN&L,
Ken
Hi kenrch,
Scripture does not say Jesus is appointed a god.
Certainly he acts as God and works in the authority of the in the name of the Father.
He is at the right hand of God and will sit on the THRONE[not thrown] of David.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 20 2007,19:38) Hi kenrch,
Scripture does not say Jesus is appointed a god.
Certainly he acts as God and works in the authority of the in the name of the Father.
He is at the right hand of God and will sit on the THRONE[not thrown] of David.
NHYou dont miss anything!
Correctiong the mans spelling!
LOL. You are too much!
Quote (Cult Buster @ Mar. 20 2007,05:04) Jesus is also Jehovah God JESUS our JEHOVAH
JEHOVAH isI AM EXODUS 3:14
JESUS isI AMJOHN 8:57& 58JEHOVAH isFIRST & LASTISAIHA 44:6, 48:12
JESUS isFIRST & LASTREV 22:12,13,20 1:8 MICAH 5:2JEHOVAH isROCKDEUT 32:4
JESUS isROCK1 COR 10:4JEHOVAH isKINGISAIHA 33:22
JESUS isKINGREV 19:11-16JEHOVAH isCREATORISAIHA 40:28
JESUS isCREATOREPH 3:9 JOHN 1:3 COL 1:16JEHOVAH isSAVIOURISAIHA 33:22, 43:11,12
JESUS isSAVIOURACTS 4:12 MATH 1:21 LK 2:11JEHOVAH isJUDGEISAIHA 33:22
JESUS isJUDGEJOHN 5:22Jer 23:5-6 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, JEHOVAH OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Hi CB,
Circumstantial evidence is insufficient as proof when dealing with the treasures of scripture.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 20 2007,20:12) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 20 2007,19:38) Hi kenrch,
Scripture does not say Jesus is appointed a god.
Certainly he acts as God and works in the authority of the in the name of the Father.
He is at the right hand of God and will sit on the THRONE[not thrown] of David.
NHYou dont miss anything!
Correctiong the mans spelling!
LOL. You are too much!
Yes because that's the only thing he can correct. LOL!What does the scriptuire say Nick? Please correct the scripture according to the spirit of Nick who just had to do or say something.
Heb 1:8 but of the Son he saith, *Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever*; And the sceptre of uprightness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; Therefore God, *thy God, hath anointed thee* With the oil of gladness above thy fellows.WJ you think Nick is too much? Too much what?
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